Sometimes I question if its even worth staying...

[Guest ryan2552]

Joey, if this were a white supremacist site, I wouldn't be here. Certainly Merlin and Minnie appear to harbor racist points of view, but they are clearly not representative of this site. I'd be intetested to know what specifically makes you think that.

BoN I think we all would like to know. I feel most of us in this thread have said to the original author give us some details yet he has not. Therefore, based on his other threads about this MC I cannot take anything he says to seriously.

 

I think its time for him to grow up but thats just me.

 

Anyway I am done keeping his thread alive unless he can post something that actually merits his outrageous claims.

[JoeyBryant]

You speak of racism on this site and I can't help but chuckle a bit at that when I read what you wrote in a thread where one escort asks about visiting San Antonio or Austin. You stated the following

 

First of all...you don't know a damn thing about my business (which FYI, is actually doing well...although it could be better). You must be out of your raggedy mind to call my business 'lousy'. Secondly, I have NOTHING against Latinos. And as proof...majority of the guys I (choose) to end up with are Latinos. Referring to a place as Mexican is not racist. Its like referring to Miami as The 6th borough. Thats not being racist. You are just assuming ridiculous non-sense that has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

 

Anyhow...back to what I was saying. Obviously, some of you think you're just going to shut me up by 'neutralizing' my comments and calling me out as a 'fire starter'. Well, thats predictable

 

When I said 'borderline' White Supremacy, I meant it by the fact that alot of the topics, conversations, and posts seem to be un-equally favoring one of the White escorts. Yet when I make a good point, Its as if it didn't mean much. In addition, I can name only 1 guy on this forum who has actually kept up with emails...and that has been JosephGA. The rest seem to just email me to 'shutup and read' or either stop responding.

 

Mind you, this is the definition of White Supremacy. Its not about being racist. Its about thinking someone is better. And on this forum, it most certainly seems that way. Or maybe because its more geared for White guys (e.g. the icon of the White guy with the cap). Of course, the gay porn industry and gay lifestyle lends itself to Whites as being 'more desirable' (of course thats not true, but it can be perceived as such). Don't believe me? Go to the gay bars in ANY major city and look at the dancers. Report back to me on what you observe.

 

I'm not trying to say I'm annoyed or feel that people of similar backgrounds shouldn't converse. Thats absurb and its not my place to dictate that. But I most certainly will speak it out, hence my title (is it worth ME being here)

 

And yes, this is a very fake environment. Of course, this place is dedicated to clients and potentials. However, I makes my stomach churn to constantly hear about how so and so just does so well, and loves every client, and is just so happy and perfect and never gets a bad day. In additon, so and so knows exactly how to do EVERYTHING. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese. Humble up and extend some advice. And don't send private emails! Speak up! I understand public speaking is the biggest social fear in America, but hell...grow some nuts and speak whats on your mind instead of writing me in private.

 

I also find it sick that 30 + year old men are willing to irritate me by making false promises of 'help' and 'assist' only to backdown. Guess what? I dont need your damn fake offers of help. I am not running or chasing you down needing your savior. There's plenty of people who are willing to extend genuine advice and aren't working on someone elses 'team'. Because when you see it as a team, you're playing games. See it as an exchange of information of others in the industry.

 

Anyways...thats all I have to say. I realize some people need to seek professional help for their mental issues....There's not much I can contribute to that.

[Guest greatness]

I don't think that is necessary. Why are you being so negative to other people? Have you thought about being in their shoes? I hope you can respect other people more and open your hearts to them.

 

I realize some people need to seek professional help for their mental issues....There's not much I can contribute to that.

[NYTomcat]

First of all...you don't know a damn thing about my business (which FYI, is actually doing well...although it could be better). You must be out of your raggedy mind to call my business 'lousy'. Secondly, I have NOTHING against Latinos. And as proof...majority of the guys I (choose) to end up with are Latinos. Referring to a place as Mexican is not racist. Its like referring to Miami as The 6th borough. Thats not being racist. You are just assuming ridiculous non-sense that has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

 

Anyhow...back to what I was saying. Obviously, some of you think you're just going to shut me up by 'neutralizing' my comments and calling me out as a 'fire starter'. Well, thats predictable

 

When I said 'borderline' White Supremacy, I meant it by the fact that alot of the topics, conversations, and posts seem to be un-equally favoring one of the White escorts. Yet when I make a good point, Its as if it didn't mean much. In addition, I can name only 1 guy on this forum who has actually kept up with emails...and that has been JosephGA. The rest seem to just email me to 'shutup and read' or either stop responding.

 

Mind you, this is the definition of White Supremacy. Its not about being racist. Its about thinking someone is better. And on this forum, it most certainly seems that way. Or maybe because its more geared for White guys (e.g. the icon of the White guy with the cap). Of course, the gay porn industry and gay lifestyle lends itself to Whites as being 'more desirable' (of course thats not true, but it can be perceived as such). Don't believe me? Go to the gay bars in ANY major city and look at the dancers. Report back to me on what you observe.

 

I'm not trying to say I'm annoyed or feel that people of similar backgrounds shouldn't converse. Thats absurb and its not my place to dictate that. But I most certainly will speak it out, hence my title (is it worth ME being here)

 

And yes, this is a very fake environment. Of course, this place is dedicated to clients and potentials. However, I makes my stomach churn to constantly hear about how so and so just does so well, and loves every client, and is just so happy and perfect and never gets a bad day. In additon, so and so knows exactly how to do EVERYTHING. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese. Humble up and extend some advice. And don't send private emails! Speak up! I understand public speaking is the biggest social fear in America, but hell...grow some nuts and speak whats on your mind instead of writing me in private.

 

I also find it sick that 30 + year old men are willing to irritate me by making false promises of 'help' and 'assist' only to backdown. Guess what? I dont need your damn fake offers of help. I am not running or chasing you down needing your savior. There's plenty of people who are willing to extend genuine advice and aren't working on someone elses 'team'. Because when you see it as a team, you're playing games. See it as an exchange of information of others in the industry.

 

Anyways...thats all I have to say. I realize some people need to seek professional help for their mental issues....There's not much I can contribute to that.

 

OK Joey.... Now I get that this forum has a number of escorts that could be described as favorites. Most of whom... like yourself ... are regular posters and contribute to the conversations on the site. The fact thats some of these escorts are "white" while I would argue many are also latino does not in my estimation equal any kind of white supremacy.

 

Joey Its true that some escorts here have quite a following of loyal clients. Who avidly support, defend and discuss their favorite guy. But that has little to nothing to do with the color of that favorites skin or their ethnic or racial background and has everything to do with how well those escorts conduct themselves in private with their clients and in public here on the forum.

 

You and I have had many a good discussion about a number of topics... as you have with other posters here.... but on this one... I wholeheartedly disagree with you. Thats not to say you shouldn't post how you feel... But If you really take a close look at this I dont think the issue has anything to do with race or ethnic background. and certainly not white supremacy.. Not to point out Juan... But I have never heard an escort more lauded by the posters here. He is loved and adored by every client he has met and every poster (well Almost) who has read his inciteful and helpful posts... Do I always agree with him ... No Do I challenge when we think he is wrong... Yes Does that have anything to do with his skin color... Other than we like his tan physique.... hell NO. It has to do with who he is and how he presents himself. not just one on one but every day right here. It has to do with how he supports the posters on this forum. Do we do the same for "white escorts" yes but because they conduct themselves in a similar manner. Do we do the same for you.... well we have always tried.

 

But sometimes I think you sabotage yourself. Much like I am known to do. Look we all like a little drama... but you need to realize sometimes your dramatic overstatments (Like this is a white supremacy board) are just that... way overblown dramatizations.

 

Joey I enjoy your posts... moreover... I have often enjoyed the real wit and even amazing insight you often bring in your stories about your work.... But on this post... I really think you have claimed us far more nepharious than we are. But I dont think we challenge you or accept anyone else for any reason other than who they are ... and that we dont judge you based on skin tone but rather the message and method of your conversations here. I accept you for who you are based on how you act.

[orbital sander]

up until now I have been avoiding this thread...

 

Just to weigh in, I happen to feel that all men, no matter what color, can be sexy, appealing, and intelligent and of equal value.

 

I cannot speak for any others, however, in my opinion this message center has always been race neutral. I have never met Daddy, but it has always been my perception that he was Caucasian, and the "white man" icon was a caricature of Daddy (perhaps I am wrong)...who knows. Considering these issues, it is a bit hard to go to race, when the site icon is representing the owner and his image (if that is indeed the case). It is, after all, Daddy's Reviews.

 

I would also suspect that there are many of us white guys here, and we probably speak about all kinds of guys, issues and subjects. I honestly would guess that the frequent discussion of one particular escort happens to be the fact that he is well publicized, popular, and well reviewed... he also happens to be white. Should he not be spoken of as often because of his skin color?

 

I do not go to bars, clubs or strip joints, but I am sure that the predominance of the dancers are indeed white. Should they not be? Should clubs be forced to hire dancers that are from other races just to be "equal". Would this be a satisfactory equalization?

 

I have read very little in this forum that would seem to be white supremacist, there may be a few who have issues, and if they are, I bet they would get clipped pretty quickly if they got out of line. When discussing a service that is associated with the physical attributes of a person as well as the personality it seems impossible to expect people not to have preferences. We all have our "types" twinks, muscled, daddys, smooth, hairy, old, young, etc....this is also discrimination, so what is one to do?

 

OK, I am way past bedtime...that is my two cents

[Juan Vancouver]

Does that have anything to do with his skin color.... hell NO.

 

 

There goes my thinking that there was a strong color bias determining the attractiveness of an escort in america. Up until now, I always thought I had it easier because I was NOT white.

 

Oh well, live and learn.

[+ ArVaGuy]

Anyways...thats all I have to say. I realize some people need to seek professional help for their mental issues....There's not much I can contribute to that.

 

You need to follow your own advice my dear and seek therapy. Stop projecting your issues on to others, especially the posters on this site. Once you grow up and gain some real maturity you might not be so negative in your attitude and remove that chip on your shoulder.

[wayout]

I have NOTHING against Latinos. And as proof...majority of the guys I (choose) to end up with are Latinos. Referring to a place as Mexican is not racist. Its like referring to Miami as The 6th borough. Thats not being racist. You are just assuming ridiculous non-sense that has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

 

This is a very good example of how different people perceive things that are said/written in different ways. Your intent was one way but it was perceived as racist. We can't control how others interpret things but we should try to understand how misunderstandings can result and work on ways to minimize them by being more concise and clear in our communications. Often it is not what we say but how we say it that makes a difference in how something is interpreted.

 

When I said 'borderline' White Supremacy, I meant it by the fact that alot of the topics, conversations, and posts seem to be un-equally favoring one of the White escorts. Yet when I make a good point, Its as if it didn't mean much.

 

You interpret this as borderline white supremacy but I have a different interpretation. I also feel that my comments and posts are sometimes under appreciated and/or ignored. Clearly as my race is unknown, it is not because of that in my case. I have come to conclude that there are a number of favorites on the board that seem to get most of the attention and get responded to. It is not unlike cliques that we had in high school. These guys are favorites more likely because they conform to or fit into certain expected and accepted behaviors/attitudes, as well as how they interact with others on the board, and is not in my view based on race (clearly there are a number of non-white "favorites" on the board). If one conforms to the "accepted" behavior, then they may eventually be allowed to enter the clique. In addition to favorites, there are those that get attention by intentionally being overly salacious and/or provocative. I share what I perceive as your dissatisfaction with too much of a focus on favorites and the clique aspect of the board but I think it is just the way it is.

 

 

definition[/url] of White Supremacy. Its not about being racist. Its about thinking someone is better. And on this forum, it most certainly seems that way.

 

white supremacy -noun- the belief, theory, or doctrine that the white race is superior to all other races, esp. the black race, and should therefore retain control in all relationships.

 

The definition has everything to do about being racist (one race better than others) so I fail to see your point. This goes to the importance of being clear and concise in what you write because if your intent was to discuss general attitudes of being better or superior then using white supremacy was not, in my view, the best choice to get your point across. I don't see how the board has treated you or others in any specific way based on race. In your case, I believe members mostly react and treat you only based on how you interact with them and what you write on the board (as well as not reaching the status of being a "favorite").

 

As far as people acting like they are better than others, it seems to me that certain individuals on the board do feel/act superior to others and are often times condescending but I don't think it has to do with race but rather just their own self image (they believe they are simply better than everyone regardless of age, sex, race, sexual orientation, etc). It may also be our perception of their attitudes but not their intent.

 

 

I don't actively participate in many boards/forums but my sense is that many are similar (not in content but in attitude) as this one. Some are better controled by administrators than others and that can influence how a board functions. At the risk of being accused of blatant flattery, I do think the administrators of this board do a very good job of monitoring and addressing concerns when they come up. In any case, the point I want to make is that in general open boards/forums are anonymous (for whoever choses to be) and it allows people to say and act in certain ways that perhaps they would not do otherwise. Some people are more articulate in communicating than others while there are those who have trouble making a coherent sentence. There is also the fact that some posters may not be native english speakers/writers. In addition, a board/forum allows for the formation of cliques. Add to that different backgrounds and cultures. All of this can lead to misunderstandings and alot of tension at times, resulting in things getting blown out of proportion.

 

If you can somehow find a way to exist in this type of environment and are able to set realistic expectations on what you can offer and what you can get out of being here, then it can sometimes be interesting and entertaining. If you can't find a way, then that is the answer to you question about is it worth staying (and the answer would be no).

 

The only control you have of attitudes and behaviors are over your own.

[+ deej]

When I said 'borderline' White Supremacy, I meant it by the fact that alot of the topics, conversations, and posts seem to be un-equally favoring one of the White escorts. Yet when I make a good point, Its as if it didn't mean much. In addition, I can name only 1 guy on this forum who has actually kept up with emails...and that has been JosephGA. The rest seem to just email me to 'shutup and read' or either stop responding.

 

Mind you, this is the definition of White Supremacy. Its not about being racist. Its about thinking someone is better.

 

Methinks the KKK would disagree with your definition.

 

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[Lookin]

Far out, wayout! Yours was a very insightful post. It made me think about the importance of responding to other folks' posts, even when I don't have anything to add. I value and enjoy the vast majority of posters and posts on this Board, yours definitely included, but usually don't take the time to say so. I guess I assume it's understood, and I don't want to clutter the Board more than I already do. What you said made me realize that some very valuable posters may not realize how much they are appreciated.

 

Maybe that's at the heart of Joey's posts too. Maybe he just wants more recognition of what he brings to the Message Center, which has been considerable over the past couple of years.

 

I guess we all like to be 'seen', and have our posts and contributions acknowledged. I'm one of those who will probably keep posting just because it's fun or, once in a while, because I feel I have something to add. If no one responds, I still had fun, and will be back tomorrow. But, as you have said so well, public acknowledgement can sometimes be the reward that keeps us posting.

 

I think greatness has understood this from day one, and there are a number of others who are also generous with a pat on the back. Thanks to you, Joey, and this thread, I'm going to try harder to be one of them.

 

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[josephga]

I email and pm everyone back that contacts me. however I have had this one person I contacted twice that never contacted me back. I pretty much just wrote this person off as an ass and put them on block..

[Boomer]

Attorney Genreal Eric Holder would be very happy with this thread as he thinks we need to have a more open dialogue about race.

Does anyone have his email address? : -)

[+ Lucky]

Hey, when's the last time we had an Asian Cover Guy of the Day? It's always Latins and white guys, and the occasional black guy. We've even had bunnies!

The fact is that there are few Asian escorts, thus limiting the pool of candidates. There is no shortage of white or Latino escorts, so they do get the most attention. I can't change that, and I don't think Daddy can either.

I am happy to support Joey's posts as soon as he gets the chip off his shoulder. I think he has a lot to offer, but needs to reconsider his approach.

And, if he can encourage more black escorts to participate here, the site would be better for it. I'd do it, except that Palm Springs is not a popular place for escorts to start with. We've never had a black escort here to my knowledge. But I'd be thrilled to see more Asians too.

[Boston Guy]

As someone who has only recently returned to posting, I had no idea that Joey was not white. It actually hadn't occurred to me to wonder what race he is until after this thread started to get developed.

 

The phrase that keeps occurring to me is this one: "Laugh and the world laughs with you; cry and you cry alone."

 

BG

[Diverdan]

The Eye of the Beholder

 

I have no idea what most posters race is or what their attitude might be. I certainly did not know what Joey's race was, but it really didn't matter to me. I find that most of the posts on this thread and others make me think, laugh, sometimes cry and most of all I enjoy hearing other viewpoints even if I don't agree. For the sake of transparency, I will state that I am white and of scandinavian ancestry, so you can't get much more "white" than that. One of my very first f... buds was black, and I was involved in a relationship with a younger black man for many years, until he found someone that he wanted to live with and "settle down". Incidentally, this young black man would only date and play with older white men. We had numerous discussions about his preferences, but in the final analysis that was his choice and I respected him. I have enjoyed time with many latinos (such as Juan, among others), so I don't consider myself a racist. In my work life I have had an opportunity to make significant contributions to policies of diversity, and some of the people who have worked for me and become close friends have been asian, black, hispanic and multi-hued! I regret that Joey felt (feels) the way that was expressed here, but I accept his feelings and impressions, even though I might disagree with him. I value his contributions and most eveyone else on this Forum. I suspect that the majority of reviews are of escorts who are white, because that is the majority of what is available. However, as I puruse the reviews, I find an increasing number of non-white reviews and I hope others who hire non-whites will write reviews on their experiences.

Sorry to be so long winded here, but I have avoided posting to this thread until now.

[NYTomcat]

There goes my thinking that there was a strong color bias determining the attractiveness of an escort in america. Up until now, I always thought I had it easier because I was NOT white.

 

Oh well, live and learn.

 

Well Now... Juan Im gonna call you on this one. You parsed my quote. LOL

 

the complete post was :

 

"Does that have anything to do with his skin color... Other than we like his tan physique.... hell NO."

 

So yeah.... Maybe you still do have it a little easier. Less time in those tanning salons.

 

Loving that your always warm and hard,

 

Tom

[flguy]

Lucky, "chip" on his shoulder, I thought from the very beginning of his postings when he wasn't Joey it was a "boulder".

[cynicalflannelwearer]

I like his honesty....

 

Even though I may not agree with some of what Joey says in his posts, he seems like he is very honest with people, and, if you don't mind me saying, for an escort ,that that is very unusual..... I say this because most escorts that post on this board would not be as open to saying how they really feel about certain issues and things going on in their professional and personal lives.... it intrigues me...but don't worry, Joey, I won't fall in love with you if we ever meet LOL Hey, at least I am making light of my issues and am poking fun at myself.

[+ Lucky]

Being honest isn't the same as being accurate. I, too, like that Joey calls them as he sees them. But I don't think that his posts are necessarily thought out first. When he starts doing that, he may become one of the finest posters here.

Look to Juan Vancouver, for example. In my mind, he is the best poster here. And an escort too. I don't know anyone who posts as consistently, intelligently, and warmly as he does. He has depth and he has empathy. A great combination that I hope will stay here for a long time.

[doitb4ugo]

I agree

 

Being honest isn't the same as being accurate. I, too, like that Joey calls them as he sees them. But I don't think that his posts are necessarily thought out first. When he starts doing that, he may become one of the finest posters here.

Look to Juan Vancouver, for example. In my mind, he is the best poster here. And an escort too. I don't know anyone who posts as consistently, intelligently, and warmly as he does. He has depth and he has empathy. A great combination that I hope will stay here for a long time.

 

And Lucky, It doesn't hurt that he is always hard.

[+ purplekow]

I can recall one or two posts which where racially charged and directed at Joey. Perhaps there are more. I can recall a few more posts by Joey directing seemingly innocent posts in a direction which made race an issue when the thread did not have a racial bias.

For me, I have just chosen to stop reading Joey's posts for a bit not as a racial decision rather because I find his posts more self indulgent than thought provoking and more irritating than educational. Mostly, he seems really young and as a result amazingly annoying to an old geezer such as myself.

So Joey, go...stay.....change.....stay the same....pick imgainary fights.....fight real and important battles.

In the words of a really sappy Bobby Vee song: Living aint easy, loving's twice as tough, come back baby, when you grow up.

[NYTomcat]

Being honest isn't the same as being accurate. I, too, like that Joey calls them as he sees them. But I don't think that his posts are necessarily thought out first. When he starts doing that, he may become one of the finest posters here.

Look to Juan Vancouver, for example. In my mind, he is the best poster here. And an escort too. I don't know anyone who posts as consistently, intelligently, and warmly as he does. He has depth and he has empathy. A great combination that I hope will stay here for a long time.

 

I have to agree lucky. And I hope to see both Juan and Joey around here for a long time. I may disagree with some of Joey's posts but he is usually thought provoking and rarely I'd ever harmful to anyone. I enjoy his presence here much much more often than not.

[BewareofNick]

I can recall one or two posts which where racially charged and directed at Joey. Perhaps there are more. I can recall a few more posts by Joey directing seemingly innocent posts in a direction which made race an issue when the thread did not have a racial bias.

For me, I have just chosen to stop reading Joey's posts for a bit not as a racial decision rather because I find his posts more self indulgent than thought provoking and more irritating than educational. Mostly, he seems really young and as a result amazingly annoying to an old geezer such as myself.

So Joey, go...stay.....change.....stay the same....pick imgainary fights.....fight real and important battles.

In the words of a really sappy Bobby Vee song: Living aint easy, loving's twice as tough, come back baby, when you grow up.

 

I recall one thread where Joey was 100% correct in pointing out that the poster had made a racist comment. Many posters supported Joey but many also supported the petson who made the racist comment. I think that's the exception and not the rule, but I am sure it contributes to Joey's perception

[Romann]

DING DONG! The lights are on but is anyone home?

 

...White Supremacy. Its not about being racist. Its about thinking someone is better.

 

Huh?

 

I have a handful of dirt for this six foot grave that you're digging for yourself.

 

And yes, this is a very fake environment. Of course, this place is dedicated to clients and potentials. However, I makes my stomach churn to constantly hear about how so and so just does so well, and loves every client, and is just so happy and perfect and never gets a bad day.

 

Don't be a jealous Grinch in Hooville.

 

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In additon, so and so knows exactly how to do EVERYTHING. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese. Humble up and extend some advice.

 

Ingrate.

 

I think MANY have expressed their advice to you on various topics and threads but you interpret that exchange of ideas based on past experience as something else. But then again, what do I know?

 

Furthermore, why would anyone want to express their opinion considering your reply to such opinions with some very choice words? Update your que card because it typically begins and/or ends with something to the affect "You don't fucking know me. You don't fucking know my business. Who the fuck are you to tell me what to do?" give or take a few words here and there because you certainly have a unique written expression for a professional.

 

You've lived in the south long enough and should have picked up some southern charm, right?

 

And don't send private emails! Speak up! I understand public speaking is the biggest social fear in America, but hell...grow some nuts and speak whats on your mind instead of writing me in private.

 

I have a little advice for you if you're open to suggestions. I think you would be better served taking some of your choice conversations to PM or email. But then again, what do I know, right?

 

On a side note, I envision the return of Mocha in the very near future...

[Scorpio]

 

I envision the return of Mocha in the very near future...

 

You'd think that if someone went to the trouble of creating an alter ego they'd at least to try of altering the ego. That one was so transparent I'm surprised that anyone was fooled. I wasn't.