Does BANNED = Censorship ? Should it happen here?

[Flower]

[font color=green

 

Am I the only one that misses the outspoken guy from DC with the green font?

 

I have to tell you, I didn't always agree with what he said (I mean like we are at opposite ends of the political spectrum) but it concerns me that someone who is outspoken and goes against the grain can just be "TURNED OFF" without so much as a good bye or explanation to the rest of us. Ethan was a part of this "comunity" a lot longer than I, and for him just to be arbitrarily "silenced" one day, to me is a little disconcerting.

 

Like, doesn't that remind any one of watching W.W.II movies and seeing the critics of a certain regime summarily silenced and the next day no one has seen nor heard from them?

 

A message board should be about free speech, with in reason. I mean you can't go into a movie theater and yell fire for obvious reasons, but you can burn a flag if that is how you choose to make a statement, regardless of it offending many or the majority -- that's the beauty of free speech--you can speak without fear of repercussion unless you are putting someone in danger.

 

So again, can someone explain what happened to DCeboy. Mind you I have never met the guy, don't socialize with him nor have I hired him, but I did enjoy some of the stuff he said and respect his right to say all of what he said that i totally disagreed with--even when it pissed me off--and if anyone didn't like him and didn't want to read what he wrote, well he was kind enough to always make his font GREEN so you immediately recognized it and didn't have to read him unless you chose to.

 

DEEJ, how about it?? Any information you can tell us? This BANNING goes much deeper than just whether Ethan is here or not -- it is truly a question of censorship and goes to the issue of whether I really want to be here or not, and hopefully, a lot more of you feel the same. Maybe not, but whether you liked Ethan or not, or enjoyed his writings (rantings at times), friend or foe, I hope you are concerned enugh about this process of "BANNING" someone without any explanation to the community here whatsoever. Like maybe we all ought to have some input on the subject before it actually happens. SO if you are curious or concerned, now is the time to say something--once you get BANNED, your message won't make it here I guess?? I now have questions as to whether this will--let's see

Flower :*

[duke37]

Was Ethan banned?

 

Jeff

[+ deej]

Direct all inquiries to HooBoy@male4malescorts.com.

 

Ethan thought he was banned, but he incorrectly added up the evidence as usual.

 

All three of the moderators went to bat on Ethan's behalf and he stabbed us in the back.

 

IP addresses don't lie, Flower. (Including yours!)

 

Ethan used up his three strikes and we even gave him an extra swipe LAST time around and he still caused this board to be shut down for several days.

 

It won't be allowed again.

[Guest Les]

Maybe Mr.Ethan Flower; what you had to say was banned and not you?

You are moderated if I'm correct? :7

[Huey]

RE: Setting the Record Straight

 

>>another interesting expression--I have

>>never seen a "bad penny?" Does it have any meaning at all,

>>or is it as meaningless as the rest of what you post?

>

>Actually, it is a turn of phrase that dates to a time when

>counterfit money was common. If memory serves, the phrase

>actually dates to Ben Franklin. (Who also said "Beer is

>God's way of showing us that he does love us and wants us to

>be happy.")

>

>The Secret Service (yes, the same department that protects

>the President) have done a pretty good job of chasing down

>counterfiters, which is their original charter. They got

>stuck with Presidential protection because Andrew Jackson's

>arthritis was acting up.

>

>So, yes, it's a real expression that's had meaning for a

>couple hundred years.

>

>Your point was?

 

Call me old fashion as I do know the expression well. I think it would be correct to say there are a few "bad pennies" in this thread. }>

 

Come on guys this thread is really getting out of hand. Let Ethan and HooBoy resolve the issues. This has little to do with us or with escorts.

 

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WAR IS OVER

if you want it

GIVE PEACE A CHANCE

[Flower]

>Direct all inquiries to HooBoy@male4malescorts.com.

 

[font color=GREEN"

MAY I SUGGEST THAT ANYONE HERE WHO IS INTERESTED IN FREE SPEECH WRITE HOOBOY--but, hey, be nice--this is not an enemy camp, we are all here for similar purposes and part of the same community, but at least let him know that you are concerned and would like to know about the BANNING OF ETHAN. I think this is of grave importance to a free board--I hope I am not the only one who is concerned.

 

[font color="brown"

>Ethan thought he was banned, but he incorrectly added up the evidence as usual.

 

[font color="GREEN"

So he is not banned? He can post like right now if he reads this and chooses to?

 

[font color="brown"

>All three of the moderators went to bat on Ethan's behalf

>and he stabbed us in the back.

 

[font color="GREEN"

Possibly you could let us in on what happened? He was part of our community, like him or not. His fate could be ours, I suppose.

 

[font color="brown"

>IP addresses don't lie, Flower. (Including yours!)

 

[font color="GREEN"

Deej, I don't know you and as far as I know have never said anything to intentionally offend you--so what does this "IP addresses don't lie" statement mean?

[font color=GREEN"

If you are really checking, then you know that the IP address I use is located in California and exactly where in California at that--I doublt if any other poster is from here, which you could verify if you chose--and if you had done so, then your statement above is total bullshit--it is misleading and implies things that should not be implied nor inferred by anyone reading--so why the ambiguous statement like that? This WAS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACH! I simply had a serious question, so don't shoot the messenger--please!

 

And then to follow it up with "(Including yours!) " -- what's that all about? Is that a veiled threat? I really don't know and wish you would clarify it. If I have misunderstood and taken offense, then please tell me so I can chill out a little. Again, I have done nothing to attack you or who you work for--I just raised a question of very real concern I have and I now feel some how threatened!

 

I'm very serious, I find this offensive and all I did was ask some questions!!!! I regret my first communication with you takes this turn--that was not my intent.

>

[font color=brown">Ethan used up his three strikes and we even gave him an

>extra swipe LAST time around and he still caused this board

>to be shut down for several days.

 

[font color="GREEN" I'm not sure how that can be but dying to heat what happened. Am I the only one here that has not heard all this stuff? How can one man shut down a board for 2 days? Seriously, please tell us

 

[font color="brown">It won't be allowed again.

Please tell us what wasn't allowed??

 

 

Flower :*

 

"A free press is the hallmark of a free society" :+

[+ deej]

>MAY I SUGGEST THAT ANYONE HERE WHO IS INTERESTED IN FREE

>SPEECH WRITE HOOBOY

 

By all means. He's already two days behind posting reviews. Drag him down some more re-hashing last year's issues.

 

>So he is not banned? He can post like right now if he reads

>this and chooses to?

 

I thought I said that already.

 

>Possibly you could let us in on what happened? He was part

>of our community, like him or not. His fate could be ours,

>I suppose.

 

There is a fine line between repeating what happened in public and exposing what happened in private.

 

I happen to respect Ethan's privacy and will not say what happened (although he'll no doubt be HAPPY to give you HIS twisted view of events), but since it was his second "at bat" and he'd already flunked the three strikes test once, you do the math.

 

There are no implications for you unless you become a crusader for a cause you actually know very little about. We'll just ignore you while we pick our scars from past battles.

 

You always show up here very righteous and indignant, but you don't have enough knowledge of the history to justify your stance.

 

Chill out, babe.

[Flower]

>Maybe Mr.Ethan Flower; what you had to say was banned and

>not you?

>You are moderated if I'm correct? :7

 

Yes I am moderated, but have no idea if Ethan was or is. BUT Les--I have no gripe with you at all--cause you made the incorrect inference and jump in reasoning that was logical after what Deej said about IP addresses--sorta like "when did you stop beating yor wife" question.

 

What's worse, is that he either has the ability to check IP addresses or is implying he does and therefore has, and still makes a deliberately ambiguous statement, that gives a total false impression that you, Les and probably others, bought into, of who I am and thereby discounts what I say. That is abuse of power whether it really was intended or not, and I think I deserve an appology from Deej. No one has to like me or what I say, but the tactics have to be of concern.

 

I have asked deej to address this directly in another post directed to him, if either one of these posts makes it out.

 

I hope that Deej is stand-up enough to tell you all that my IP address and Ethan's are not only totally different, but would have to be from nearly 3000 miles apart. While I like Ethan's writing and ranting, he is neither my alter-ego nor nom de plume--I assure you. Again, All Deej has to do is to verify that with the IP addresses--since he is the one that seemed to imply that we were somehow connected.

 

But what is so scary now, is that my original message and question has been Shanghied and discounted and maybe infact killed by an intentional mistatement by the moderator. Whether this sees the light of day or not, I feel the IP address insinuation was an abuse of power and dis-service to all of us!

 

You know by my past posts, the very few I have done, that I am not here to make waves, so Deej a quick word from you can put this to rest. And Les, I still like your pictoral contributions and sorry you got misled into this buddy.

 

Flower :*

[Guest Thunderbuns]

First of all - what's this about Ethan's green font. Yours is the first I've ever seen here. Do you have "special" glasses?

 

Secondly - why do you think he was banned? I never read that. Did I miss something? I assumed he was silent because he was hookin' in California this summer as he so often told us.

 

Thunderbuns

[+ deej]

>But what is so scary now, is that my original message and

>question has been Shanghied and discounted and maybe infact

>killed by an intentional mistatement by the moderator.

 

Both of your rants are now posted. I'm very sorry a moderator was not casually browsing through the queue at your convenience, but hey that's the way it works. When we see 'em we release 'em.

 

>Whether this sees the light of day or not, I feel the IP

>address insinuation was an abuse of power and dis-service to

>all of us!

 

Go to the DCForum homepage and take a look at what the log files will show about posters if you have questions. It's a piece of software you can buy yourself if you want to set up your own discussion board. They're pretty clear about what they log.

 

I made no threat and if you read an implication into what I said, I think that's on YOUR head. It certainly wasn't coming from me.

 

If you don't like the way this board is operated, I suggest you DO buy the software and start your own board. I'll gladly send you all or our headaches.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>There are no implications for you unless you become a

>crusader for a cause you actually know very little about.

>You always show up here very righteous and indignant, but

>you don't have enough knowledge of the history to justify

>your stance.

>

>Chill out, babe.

 

Flower - that is very good advice. I'd suggest you follow it. If nothing else, it will prevent you from making a fool of yourself!

 

Thunderbuns

[Huey]

I find it interesting that you step up to the plate for Ethan yet not the countless other posters that have been turned away at the moderators queue.

 

You obviously have a specific agenda that isn't part of the agenda HooBoy has decided is in the best interest of his site. HooBoy has the final word and it should be accepted or you can move on to the next link.

 

I don't feel your intentions, regarding censorship, are as pure as you portray them to be. I've been there and can spot a fraud a few 1000 miles way

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WAR IS OVER

if you want it

GIVE PEACE A CHANCE

[+ deej]

>I find it interesting that you step up to the plate for

>Ethan yet not the countless other posters that have been

>turned away at the moderators queue.

 

How many "countless posters" have been turned away at the moderators queue? You appear to know.

[Flower]

>There are no implications for you unless you become a

>crusader for a cause you actually know very little about.

>We'll just ignore you while we pick our scars from past

>battles.

>

>You always show up here very righteous and indignant, but

>you don't have enough knowledge of the history to justify

>your stance.

>

>Chill out, babe.

 

Thanks, Deej, I needed that And I am the FIRST to admit I'm self righteous and sometimes without knowing all the facts -- OK? ( but then, where would all the fun be?) }>

 

So, now would you just confirm nothing narfarious in the "IP address" ditty so I can maintain my own identity here, such as it may be, without tagging poor Ethan with people (or at least Les) thinking we may be one in the same.:+

 

Flower :*

[+ deej]

We have not checked out your IP address yet and I never said that we had.

[Flower]

>Flower - that is very good advice. I'd suggest you follow

>it. If nothing else, it will prevent you from making a fool

>of yourself!

>

>Thunderbuns

 

But you seem to have such fun at it TB, I just was emulating the master

However, unlike you, I am not totally in the dark on this one

 

Flower :*

[Rick Munroe]

Deej: I think you're getting defensive here for no reason; you weren't being attacked. As far as I can see, Flower was expressing concern that Ethan may have been banned, and was openly asking you what was up. When you say something like "Ethan used up his three strikes," that makes it sound like he was indeed banned. I don't think Flower was being "righteous and indignant" at all and I'm kind of surprised that you'd react this way. And your comment about IP addresses did make it seem like Flower=Ethan, because altho I don't think it's true, I too had to re-read that a couple of times.

 

Flower: Thunderbuns is right; Ethan said he'd be travelling this summer so that's why he's MIA.

 

I had a really good fuck tonight and I am at peace with the world. May I suggest the same for you guys?

[Huey]

>First of all - what's this about Ethan's green font. Yours

>is the first I've ever seen here. Do you have "special"

>glasses?

 

Thunderbuns Ethans final few posts were in green font. It was interesting for about 30 seconds.

 

>

>Secondly - why do you think he was banned? I never read

>that. Did I miss something? I assumed he was silent because

>he was hookin' in California this summer as he so often told

>us.

>

 

I agree, he posted threads requesting ideas on where to go when his trip is Israel was cancelled. Then the trip wasn't cancelled yet he apparently decided to head to California instead.

 

As Thunderbuns already noted he posted his plans many times. There is no reason to be parinoid about his fate here.

 

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WAR IS OVER

if you want it

GIVE PEACE A CHANCE

[Huey]

>You know by my past posts, the very few I have done, that I

>am not here to make waves, so Deej a quick word from you can

>put this to rest.

 

Why does deej need to explain anything to you? He moderates posts and as far as I know he doesn't set the rules, he enforces them. Don't blame deej for your issues as he did not create them.

 

Regarding IP addresses this has been discussed around here way too many times. Unless there have been changes the only people who have access to the IP addresses are HooBoy and Daddy.

 

Can you imagine two grown men calling themselves HooBoy & Daddy. Now that is something that needs to be anaylized :7

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WAR IS OVER

if you want it

GIVE PEACE A CHANCE

[Rick Munroe]

Confession

 

P.S. Deej...forgot to mention...it does turn me on when you get all nasty like that (I think it's knowing you have that monster cock to wave around for emphasis). :9 :*

[+ deej]

Defensive? Maybe.

 

When people declare we've done things we haven't done, I might get a little defensive.

 

If I declare that you've stiffed a client when you haven't (and I heard it from a friend of my hairdresser's aunt so it must be true), you'll get a little testy as well.

 

Let's get real folks. There's nothing here to be upset over.

[Flower]

>I find it interesting that you step up to the plate for

>Ethan yet not the countless other posters that have been

>turned away at the moderators queue.

 

What "others" are you talking about, Duey? If they had shared email with me maybe I'd do the same for them--I'd certainly do the same for you and I don't know you from Ethan, so to speak but after you calling me names, I don't think I like you either, but would still stick up for your right to speak.

 

>You obviously have a specific agenda that isn't part of the

>agenda HooBoy has decided is in the best interest of his

>site. HooBoy has the final word and it should be accepted or

>you can move on to the next link.

 

Damn, you sure sound brain washed, but if not, then you certainly do fall into place easy, don't you?

 

I like it here Duey, and if they'll have me I'll stay, but I never was one to preach "love it or leave it", nor have I had any respect for those that did. The message board is a place for the expression of ideas and free thought and that includes righting wrongs and making it better through constructive criticism. I have asked questions, based on emails I have recieved, BUT I HAVE NOT, I repeat, I have NOT, Duey, called names or hurled groundless accusations, nor have I called someone a fraud based on NO evidence but rather an "admitted gut impression."

 

>I don't feel your intentions, regarding censorship, are as

>pure as you portray them to be. I've been there and can spot

>a fraud a few 1000 miles way

 

Been where? Been a fraud? and subscribe to the theory that it takes one to know one? Not sure what you meant there big guy, but how does anything I have said even come close to fraud and what possible basis would you have for saying something like that?

 

 

 

Flower :*

[Flower]

>We have not checked out your IP address yet and I never said

>that we had.

 

Thank you, I sincerely appreciate you saying that.

 

Flower :*

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>Let's get real folks. There's nothing here to be upset over.

 

Yah - I know - but it's so much more fun when we can get our knickers in a twist :-)

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>>Flower - that is very good advice. I'd suggest you follow

>>it. If nothing else, it will prevent you from making a fool

>>of yourself!

>>

>>Thunderbuns

>

>But you seem to have such fun at it TB,

>I just was emulating the master

 

I'm not the master flower - I'm a bottom! And further more, I never have fun, as you mentioned, yacking about things I have little knowledge of. When I get on my high horse I usually have SOME background to back up my humble opinions ;-)

 

>However, unlike you, I am not totally in the dark on this

>one

 

And tell me, oh wise one - what could you know that I am not privy to?

Enlighten me please.

 

Thunderbuns