Does BANNED = Censorship ? Should it happen here?

[Flower]

RE: Two pennies

 

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

 

Flower :*

[Guest NakedTony]

RE: Two pennies

 

>If you stick around this site long enough you will come to learn that Ethan ALWAYS has a "predicament" as you refer to it. And it is always started by Ethan, due in no small part to his ability to be the most vicious and insulting, foul mouthed member this site has. If you find his writings insightful and witty I sugest you start an Ethan Fan Club. Just do it on some other site please!

 

>Thunderbuns

 

Mr Buns, you are 100% correct and totally accurate. I almost stopped coming here because of Ethan and don't what he or his kind to clutter up this site again.

 

I don't want censorship on this site and feel the only way he should come back is in a fully moderated status. (But that would probably require a full-time moderator just for all his posts.) x(

[Laurent]

RE: Two pennies

 

Thuderbuns has expressed precisely my thoughts about Ethan. I'm amazed that Deej endures all the garbage that I've just waded through. If I had not respected him before, I certainly would now.

[+ deej]

I've just deleted a post from this thread because it contained a real name. Clearly a rules violation.

 

Flower, you're being played like a fine violin.

[+ Axiom2001]

i know one "damn" thing-- that green font is quite hard on the eyes that are focused on a very bright screen! A dark color would be much more amenable as well as accommondating!!

[Flower]

RE: Two pennies

 

>Mr Buns, you are 100% correct and totally accurate. I almost

>stopped coming here because of Ethan and don't what he or

>his kind to clutter up this site again.

>

>I don't want censorship on this site and feel the only way

>he should come back is in a fully moderated status. (But

>that would probably require a full-time moderator just for

>all his posts.) x(

 

What ever happened to just NOT READING things that you didn't like? Each post is identified by the author and in Ethan's case, He took to using green font--so if you really don't like censorship, why not just read other posts and not his? Your argument is like that made by the people complaining that certain TV programs or movies should not see the light of day, because they are offended by them--HELLO__JUST DON'T WATCH THEM--duh!! I mean are you an adult with self control or not? There were plenty of other threads without Ethan on them--so what was your problem. The real problem is that you have no self control and feel compelled to read even views you don't agree with (probably don't even understand, based on what you wrote here) and then get mad because you feel inadequate to respond and defend your ambiguous, un-thought-out and still unvocalized objection--so just "Ban him" is your intelligent solution while at the same time giving lipservice to free speech and "no censorship." Please see http://www.dictionary.com for the meaning of hypocrite and then Get real!

 

Flower :*

[+ Axiom2001]

Gerber daisies are my favorite flowers; why did this thread get so much leverage? I think the whole matter is indeed ludicrous. We all should know the RULES and abide by them. Don't other sites of this ilk or similar have RULES that are to be acknowledged? When the rules are repeatedly violated, what happens.

 

As a teacher-- I have rules that ALL of my students are to honor; I, too, even honor them.

When a student exceeds his/her limits, then the consequences are imparted. Perhaps that is what happened to one of our fellow correspondents. So be it!

 

An inquiring mind wanted to know; he received a candid, salient response. And what followed after that? A barrage of comments. Some needed, others which borderd on absurdity!

[+ imagooddog]

RE: Two pennies

 

AMEN ! I more than agree with you. I started dreading any topic or post response by Ethan, they were almost always vicious and nasty.

I was just going to stop coming to the message board but decided instead just not to read anything initiated by Ethan. Some members, as I understand it, did quit the message board. Some others seemed to have been affected by Ethans nastyness and started doing the same.

But in the last couple of weeks things had become pleasant again............until THIS !!

[Losgatan]

Setting the Record Straight

 

I think it’s time to set the record straight about “what’s happened to Ethan.”

 

As Ethan’s earlier postings clearly show, this has become a very heated and personal matter between Ethan and Hoo. The feud has been running for over a year and, since much of it took place in private messages, none of the moderators know all the details. What is painfully obvious to anyone who’s been around here for a while is that Ethan goes through spells where he feels compelled to take over the board and that it many cases his posts range from negative to destructive – and often include personal attacks on Hoo.

 

The first time this happened, Ethan was unmoderated and posting under the name DCEscortBoy. Hoo ultimately decided to cancel that handle. Ethan quickly reappeared as “DCeBoy” – however, as with all new posters – he was then subject to moderation.

 

We then went through a several months of relative peace. Ethan seemed to be behaving himself and, as far as I know, none of his posts were deleted from queue by Hoo or the moderators.

 

However, during that last month or so, Ethan has again attempted to take over the board. Hoo responded by asking the moderators to leave all of Ethan’s posts in queue so that Hoo could moderate them personally. A week later, for reasons that are not clear to me or the other moderators, Hoo changed the password on the DCeBoy handle, effectively banning him from the board at least temporarily.

 

A couple of closing points:

 

1. This is strictly a personal matter between Ethan and Hoo. There’s no point in dragging Deej (or the other moderators) into the fray. We’ve had absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

2. None of the moderators has access to IP information. If we have a question about a poster we can suggest that some research be done by posting a message in the moderator’s private forum. However, the actual work is done by Daddy and Daddy charges Hoo for his time. Thus, Hoo has to authorize all such investigations.

 

As for the continuing saga between Ethan and Hoo, all any of us can do is to wait for the next developments. I’m sure that there’s more to come.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>I've just deleted a post from this thread because it

>contained a real name. Clearly a rules violation.

>

>Flower, you're being played like a fine violin.

 

I think a rusty old viola might be more appropriate.

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest Thunderbuns]

>i know one "damn" thing-- that green font is quite hard on

>the eyes that are focused on a very bright screen! A dark

>color would be much more amenable as well as

>accommondating!!

 

And when did Ethan ever do anything that could be described as accommodating?

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: Setting the Record Straight

 

>As for the continuing saga between Ethan and Hoo, all any of

>us can do is to wait for the next developments. I’m sure

>that there’s more to come.

 

Ome of the things that I always found so incongrous about Ethan was the fact that he was fond of telling us of his ambitions to be a lawyer. I think we even were privy to endless discussions about which law school should he go to. Harvard or Yale - the best was not quite good enough for our little Ethan.

 

Well, correct me if I'm wrong - but - I always thought that in order to be a lawyer, one's character and ethics should be above reproach. I wonder how he reconciled in his own mind, the fact that he wanted to earn his future living by being an officer of the court and upholding the law, but never minded getting the money to pay for his education by being a hooker - a situation, that when last I checked, was illegal in D.C. (not to mention most of the rest of North America. That always struck me as rather odd.

 

And - considering he valued his English and spelling skills so highly that he would constantly berate other members who made a spelling, typo, or grammatical error - isn't it strange that he never heard that sentences always start with an upper case letter?

 

And he is so paranoid about being Jewish that he could find reason to label posters as racist for making the most innocent comments.

 

If Ethan is gone for good - I say good riddance. But somehow I doubt that is the case. Bad pennies always turn up.

 

Thunderbuns

[Flower]

>Gerber daisies are my favorite flowers;

they are nice, aren't they. Actually my SN doesn't really refer to that flower however, but Flower the skunk, the Disney character--but that is another story

 

why did this thread

>get so much leverage?

 

probably 'cause it is and should be of universal interest whether you like Ethan or not or for that matter, Me or not.

 

I think the whole matter is indeed

>ludicrous. We all should know the RULES and abide by them.

>Don't other sites of this ilk or similar have RULES that are

>to be acknowledged? When the rules are repeatedly violated,

>what happens.

 

But ax, what rules were violated and why are you saying that? do you know something the rest of us don't? It seems to me that is one of the problems. We shouldn't get cut for expressing ideas or thoughts -- this is NOT a school class room, which we all know is not nor should it be a democracy just for efficient learning if for no other reason.

 

This is a COMMUNICATION board and was originally touted as one of free communications with certain rules--have you ever tried to look up the rules? Can you tell me what rule Ethan violated? I am not trying to be rude or degrading, but these are legitimate questions on a COMMUNICATION BOARD. I have a strong belief in the right of free speech and not in censorship. I think in reading your comments, you probably do too, but just are assuming that Ethan didn't follow the "posted rules." I do not know. I am unable to make that assumption and as politely as I can, am asking you to define what rules he violated?

>

>As a teacher-- I have rules that ALL of my students are to

>honor; I, too, even honor them.

>When a student exceeds his/her limits, then the consequences

>are imparted. Perhaps that is what happened to one of our

>fellow correspondents. So be it!

 

your willingness to shrug it off with just a "perhaps that is what happened" concerns me here, since you have voiced a strong opinion criticising this thread and Ethan. Again, not perhaps, but what rules were violated--that is all I ever asked or wanted to know.

 

>An inquiring mind wanted to know; he received a candid,

>salient response. And what followed after that? A barrage of

>comments. Some needed, others which borderd on absurdity!

Again, this is not a geometry class, but a COMMUNICATION BOARD that enjoys by definition all of the First Amendment rights of a newspaper--does it not have any concordant obligation to free speech?

 

Just a thought :+

 

Flower :*

[Guest Thunderbuns]

WOWIE

 

If someone can be banned from this site, i.e. Ethan, and still get his posts posted by way of having another member do it for him i.e. Flower, then what's the point of the ban?

 

If I were running this site - and yes, I know I'm not - I would ban anyone who assisted Ethan in this plot. Flower is either incredibly stupid, unbelievably naive - or has decided to say "Fuck You" to Hooboy and the moderators. Or..... a combination of all or any of the above!

 

Thunderbuns

[taylorky]

RE: Two pennies

 

it is always started by Ethan, due in no small part

>to his ability to be the most vicious and insulting, foul

>mouthed member this site has>

as a relative newcomer to this site i have seen in my short time what thunder has to say about ethan seems to be true.no one has the right to insult and demean others under the banner of opinion.and excluding one that does is not censorship.for what it's worth i'm glad he's gone.

[Flower]

RE: Setting the Record Straight

 

>Ome[sic] of the things that I always found so incongrous about

>Ethan was the fact that he was fond of telling us of his

>ambitions to be a lawyer. I think we even were privy to

>endless discussions about which law school should he go to.

>Harvard or Yale - the best was not quite good enough for our

>little Ethan.

what's the point? If you didn't like what he said, then WHY OH WHY did/do you keep on reading, when there are such interesting topics you have written about such as setting moral codes about not bringing an escort home or some Denver sting operation--my god, with all of that, why read even this thread?

 

>Well, correct me if I'm wrong - but - I always thought that

>in order to be a lawyer, one's character and ethics should

>be above reproach. I wonder how he reconciled in his own

>mind, the fact that he wanted to earn his future living by

>being an officer of the court and upholding the law,

 

interesting that you have used the term "OFFICER OF THE COURT" , TB -- I have never heard anyone use that except for a judge or lawyer, in which case it would be just as "unethical" for you to pay for sex as sell it. What is with this "moral high road you take so often whenever you get mad at an escort and start reverting to name and status degrgation that you yourself help exploit and perpetuate?

 

>never minded getting the money to pay for his education by

>being a hooker - a situation, that when last I checked, was

>illegal in D.C. (not to mention most of the rest of North

>America. That always struck me as rather odd.

Is it odd or imoral or illegal for you as an attorney or judge in a state where you read and quote the Denver Post to solicit?

 

>And - considering he valued his English and spelling skills

>so highly that he would constantly berate other members who

>made a spelling, typo, or grammatical error - isn't it

>strange that he never heard that sentences always start with

>an upper case letter?

>

>And he is so paranoid about being Jewish that he could find

>reason to label posters as racist for making the most

>innocent comments.

Would you be so kind as to do my eulogy when my time comes? :+

>If Ethan is gone for good - I say good riddance. But somehow

>I doubt that is the case. Bad pennies always turn up.

>Thunderbuns

another interesting expression--I have never seen a "bad penny?" Does it have any meaning at all, or is it as meaningless as the rest of what you post? And aren't you the one that keeps saying you never make personal attacks? Or don't the bannished count?

 

Flower :*

[Guest 7Zach]

RE: Two pennies

 

You make a very good point on disregarding posts one doesn't like, and then tie that to censorship. You then take this noble idea and apply to the case of Ethan, and it doesn't fit. It is not Ethan's opinions that I don't like - I may disagree with some of them - it's Ethan I don't care for. He becomes jealous of other escorts getting attention, and then comments negatively on their looks; he becomes hateful if one disagrees with him, and for all of the talk of his intelligence, he instead just shouts epithets. And when he really doesn't like someone's opinions, he resorts to base racism. And not to forget, who here on the board has ever posted a thread, wherein they go into detail for 10 posts on their intelligence? And the posts we so multiple, how can u say just avoid them? You're reading a thread, and he's all through it, just like a speed bump. Some one is quick enough to dodge, others just come up on you.

Others feel that he is young, impressionable, and cut him slack. However, I just found him irritating, beyond annoying. And when you speak of hyprocrites, I found him to be the Platonic ideal of such.

I don't know that he was banned. Geez, who can remember all of the times he threatened to leave; said he was leaving? he said it again last month, and then showed up within two days with 5 new threads he started each in the lounge and the deli (or ask an escort, I can't remember). One of them was wishing everyone a nice day, and Flower, for the record, was quite cynical about the post.

In the past, in December - January, he was moderated, and started multiple threads - I mean multiple threads - about his diminished capacity, and begging to be allowed to post unmoderated. And this was after both private and public admonitions about his behavior.

So he started posting using a very similar, but different, user name - starting afresh, so to speak. I don't remember all the ins and outs of his becoming moderated, but it didn't help that he posted negatively about another escort in the escort travels section. And at the time, he took real pleasure in posting ugly comments in the profile sections of users, things that the users had no way of deleting or editing. And when it was done to him, he simply cried foul. Just one example of hyprocisy. Want another? His complaining about another escort making too many posts, wherein the escort talked about his daily life.

But don't fret - he leaves in a fury, he whines, he begs, he promises, and he comes back.

[Flower]

Flower is

>either incredibly stupid, unbelievably naive - or has

>decided to say "Fuck You" to Hooboy and the moderators.

>Or..... a combination of all or any of the above!

>

>Thunderbuns

 

Damn, TB, what would you say if you were ever unfortunate enough to know me? Or better yet, if we had a case together in the Denver Superior Court? Then you could and would say some of that maybe with good reason--but to get so excercised from a BB (that's Bulletin Board btw) I just have to LOL and and just wish we were on the opossite sides of a case in trial

 

Flower :*

[+ deej]

From Ethan:

RESPONSE #47 - deej:

why backpedalling now? you SWORE up & down before that i wasn't banned. now

you're saying to ask hooboy? hmmm...

 

Actual quotes (as opposed to Ethan's interpretations):

 

Response #2:

Direct all inquiries to HooBoy@male4malescorts.com.

 

Response #47:

direct all inquiries to hooboy@male4malescorts.com.

 

I don't see much backpedalling going on.

[bluenix]

RE: Setting the Record Straight

 

>Well, correct me if I'm wrong - but - I always thought that

>in order to be a lawyer, one's character and ethics should

>be above reproach. I wonder how he reconciled in his own

>mind, the fact that he wanted to earn his future living by

>being an officer of the court and upholding the law, but

>never minded getting the money to pay for his education by

>being a hooker - a situation, that when last I checked, was

>illegal in D.C. (not to mention most of the rest of North

>America. That always struck me as rather odd.

 

You thought a lawyer should be above reproach? Hahahahahah! If only you were acquainted with irony. Which, as you've amply demonstrated over the past few months, you're not.

 

Ethan is a little shit-disturber, there's no denying that. And I, for one, find him, variously, irritating, ingratiating, smug, programmatic, coy, whatever. But even Ethan's most simpering posts stand head and shoulders above your standard turd, which, for what reason I don't know, you seem to believe will pass for a reflective response.

 

If I may offer a counterbalance: cream may rise to the top, but so does grease. Or, just because it floats doesn't mean it's not shit.

[Laurent]

RE: Two pennies

 

Since Flower is recommending dictionaries, I'd suggest that he and Ethan take that advice too. Ethan should start with "egocentric" as Flower contemplates "dupe." I know nothing about lawyers in Denver, but I think you'll find that most cities have attorneys who will feast on such glaring examples of false analogies as this one.

[Guest Kalifornia]

RE: Two pennies

 

>

>If we were really aiming for censorship, this thread would

>not exist. As for deleting posts, the total is a whopping

>four over the last month or so, I think. Those new posters

>"got it" and toned it down.

 

deej, i do have a question about deleting posts. i replied to a post made about a week ago by smalltownjohn. he was asking for contact information to meetlocalmen.com i responded by giving him the owners name and business telephone number. i was trying to be a help to this escort. but my post never showed?

 

then the next day the exact information was posted by mantomanescorts.com almost word for word as my post was. dave of mantomanescorts.com said contact Mxxx at 562-xxx- i said the same thing in my post.

 

why was it deleted please?

 

Mark -Kalifornia

[Flower]

RE: Setting the Record Straight

 

>You thought a lawyer should be above reproach? Hahahahahah!

>If only you were acquainted with irony. Which, as you've

>amply demonstrated over the past few months, you're not.

>

>Ethan is a little shit-disturber, there's no denying that.

>And I, for one, find him, variously, irritating,

>ingratiating, smug, programmatic, coy, whatever. But even

>Ethan's most simpering posts stand head and shoulders above

>your standard turd, which, for what reason I don't know, you

>seem to believe will pass for a reflective response.

>

>If I may offer a counterbalance: cream may rise to the top,

>but so does grease. Or, just because it floats doesn't mean

>it's not shit.

 

you have such a way with words--I think I love you :+

 

Flower :*

[+ deej]

RE: Two pennies

 

>why was it deleted please?

>

>Mark -Kalifornia

 

Mark, to my knowledge none of your posts have been deleted. (We don't delete posts whymsikally, and we generally tell each other when we've done it and why.)

 

Is it possible you klicked "preview" instead of "post"? It actually happens to me fairly regularly.

 

"Post" (or submit, or OK, or whatever) is normally the left-most button so that's what you klik. But here, it's "preview".

 

It bites. It's one of my persistent enhancement requests and Daddy is sick of hearing from me about it.

 

That's about all I can think of.

[Guest Les]

I must recuse myself from thinking you were the Ethan from D.C.....you obviously are not him as other of your posts as 'flower' are allowed.

I guess your not thrilled with California Ethan?

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