Miami Beach Police engaging in undercover stings

[AdamSmith]

"Hey, Adam Smith, what are you tryin' to do, make me sick?!"

 

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[MsGuy]

One of my favorite reads of all time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Making_of_the_Atomic_Bomb

 

Personally, I'm still waiting for the Readers Digest condensed version. 900 pages? Probably like one of those Russian novels where every single character has six different names and it doesn't really matter cause time you get to the middle you've forgotten something important from the beginning (can't speak to the endings; I never get that far).

[+ purplekow]

You don't know jack!

 

Most deep South states schedule their state and local elections on an off year for Federal elections (to hold down the turnout). That leaves one year of our four year cycle election free.

 

 

Well we all know that southern states are only "part time" states leaving the union every hundred years or so. We in northern states, well any one in which I have voted anyway, have an election every year and even if you take a year off, there are still primaries and special elections and such which are scheduled here and there. And here in NJ, well in my town anyway, there are some offices that have an election every year, school board 7 members, one or two elected every year.

[rvwnsd]

I wonder if this has less to do with an election than it does with the police wanting to "do something" after the so-called craigslist murder.

[Guest DuchessIvanaKizznhugg]

I wonder if it could be financially driven? It seems that some of the financial penalties to those involved are substantial. Given today's still-shaky financial environment, I suspect many state and local governments are having serious troubles with achieving their revenue projections. They may be raising funds in anway they can that doesn't generate backlash in a way that raising taxes would. Just a thought.

[MsGuy]

"Well we all know that southern states are only "part time" states leaving the union every hundred years or so."

 

All in the past, Purplekow, all in the past. Most of the deep South makes a handsome profit on the taxes paid to Washington. We will never again be so rude as to refuse your cash.

 

"We in northern states, well any one in which I have voted anyway, have an election every year and even if you take a year off, there are still primaries and special elections and such which are scheduled here and there. And here in NJ, well in my town anyway, there are some offices that have an election every year, school board 7 members, one or two elected every year."

 

And no fair minded person can deny NJ's status as the best governed state in the Union. Still it's awfully nice to have a break from the jibber jabber of politicians every once in a while.

[+ purplekow]

And no fair minded person can deny NJ's status as the best governed state in the Union.

 

Best governed doubtful; MOST governed then I believe we can give

Massachusettes a run for its money

[BearDad58]

Ever since Christopher made his post, other posters and myself have asked him to provide more info as a lot of what he claimed never added up. He joined this site in 2007 but never made a post until now when he claimed he was arrested. He said the police targeted male escorts from their ads on Rentboy, M4R, Adam4Adam etc but never replied to posters asking him to point us to his ads so we could see he was for real.

 

There has been nothing in the media about any arrests at the Delano Hotel, and nothing on the sites that monitor prostitution arrests across the country. By now it's obvious by his lack of response he was some sort of troll, or homophobic trying to frighten people on here. I guess some people need to get a life.

[Scorpio]

Ever since Christopher made his post, other posters and myself have asked him to provide more info as a lot of what he claimed never added up. He joined this site in 2007 but never made a post until now when he claimed he was arrested. He said the police targeted male escorts from their ads on Rentboy, M4R, Adam4Adam etc but never replied to posters asking him to point us to his ads so we could see he was for real.

 

There has been nothing in the media about any arrests at the Delano Hotel, and nothing on the sites that monitor prostitution arrests across the country. By now it's obvious by his lack of response he was some sort of troll, or homophobic trying to frighten people on here. I guess some people need to get a life.

 

Actually Christopher has made a total of 4 post. Three in this thread and one that is no longer available, which most likely means it was a Travel post that get deleted after the event. I seem to recall such a post.

 

As for his escort bona fides, check the Denver reviews and the Denver ads on Rentboy, M4RN, etc. If memory serves, this is he.

 

That being said I've searched South Florida news outlets and can't find anything...which seems odd.

[Guest RianB]

Excuse me for side-tracking this thread, but...

 

How was it uncalled for? Apparently you DID read my private message because you referenced it here just 3 hours ago and you should be mindful of "read receipts" before you claim that you didn't read something.

 

Because I was never aimed at you in the first place...I made one small comment about my disagreeing in this thread and you send me a flippant email, that I still havent read due to the pro vacative subject line. Regardless of what read reciepts say, I didnt... Im not going to take every disagreement I have into a private message so I can be chewed out with a bunch of negativity.

 

 

Would you like to cut and paste my private message to you and bring it into the public forum or shall I?

 

no, thats ridiculous. If I was here to embarrase you and make myself look like an idiot, I would. But I'm not, so I wont...

 

Simply put' date=' I don't care for you and that's okay.[/quote']

 

neither do I, its mutual...

 

Why is it NOT okay that I expressed my dislike for you and what I feel are points of lack of professionalism which has been an ongoing thing that I kept to myself till the last couple weeks and then say it's "uncalled for"?

 

Because you have no grounds to do so. Dont bite your tounge. Point out to me an example where I've disrespected you , said inappropiate things about you? You cant. I havent. I'm actually boggled that you even feel the way you do because I have nothing against you. And lack of professionalism? This is a forum. If anyone of the posters here want to know my personality or who I am, they can book. Sure I may argue a point or 2 (or 4) but guess what? Its a forum. I do not consider this a window to my personality...You throwing a fit because I disagree with something you said is not very professional either, is it?

 

you better be willing and able to post the private message.

 

Enough!

 

Enough is right. Cool it. Im not posting any private message, so forget it.

 

By now it's obvious by his lack of response he was some sort of troll, or homophobic trying to frighten people on here. I guess some people need to get a life.

 

Thank God in Govan someone sees the light!

[Guest zipperzone]

Oh God - here we go again with RianB getting his knickers in a twist over nothing, hijacking the thread and discussing in public what should be done in private emails. Will this child never learn?

[Guest RianB]

Oh God - here we go again with RianB getting his knickers in a twist over nothing, hijacking the thread and discussing in public what should be done in private emails. Will this child never learn?

 

There is no hi-jacking...it was already in route. I just steered it back in the right direction.

 

And dont even go there okay. Dont try to villanize me. This thread was already scrutinized from the get go. Why is it that when I bring a strong point to the forefront, something other than the typical I get responses like this? Someone made a response, I responded. What doesnt come out in the wash, comes out in the rinse...

 

Oh God - here we go again with RianB getting his knickers in a twist over nothing, hijacking the thread and discussing in public what should be done in private emails. Will this child never learn?

 

There is no hi-jacking...it was already in route. I just steered it back in the right direction.

 

And dont even go there okay. Dont try to villanize me. This thread was already scrutinized from the get go. Why is it that when I bring a strong point to the forefront, something other than the typical I get responses like this? Someone made a response, I responded. What doesnt come out in the wash, comes out in the rinse...

 

by the way Zipper, your posts arent exactly on topic either. I've read several of your posts that are either negative or has nothing to do with you, e.g.

 

Central Ohio is a vast wasteland in more ways that escort agencies.

 

thats in respond to a newbies question on starting up. Way to give someone confidence

[BearDad58]

« Actually Christopher has made a total of 4 post. Three in this thread and one that is no longer available, which most likely means it was a Travel post that get deleted after the event. I seem to recall such a post. »

 

Christopher made the original post in this thread, then on the same day made 2 more posts in response to questions from other posters. When others and myself raised questions about the incident and asked him to refer us to his online ads, he clammed up. As regards to his first original post, who knows what it was or why it was deleted. If you can remember a single travel post made 2 years ago, you are a far better man than me :-).

 

« As for his escort bona fides, check the Denver reviews and the Denver ads on Rentboy, M4RN, etc. If memory serves, this is he. »

 

Searching by name for escorts on this site yields several Christopher's in this country. Since the original Christopher who started this thread is unwilling to answer any questions to verify he is a escort, we have no way of knowing which if any Christopher listed on the various on-line sites is him.

 

« That being said I've searched South Florida news outlets and can't find anything...which seems odd. »

 

Odd is a understatement as it's pretty obvious by now this "incident" didn't happen, so it's quite odd someone would come on here with such a story. It's very easy to search the media outlets to see if this story is true. There are two web sites whose sole mission is to detail every prostitution arrest/sting anywhere in the country. I provided a link to them earlier, and they are posted again below. There is no reference to arrests in Miami Beach in either one of them.

 

http://www.prostitutionsucks.com/

 

http://www.crimene.ws/search/label/craigscrimelist/index.php?frontpage

 

I have a house in Miami Beach I spend a good portion of the winter in, so naturally I take a interest in any possible stings involving escorts. In the last 6 years I have been going down there I have not heard of any stings involving on line escorts, other than one I referenced in a earlier post that happened a couple of years ago. Even so if memory serves me right that was aimed more at minors being shipped to Miami Beach from Cuba and forced into prostitution.

 

What I find odd is that a new poster with no past history could come on here with a dubious story, refuse to respond to questions to prove he is for real and then so many posters here automatically believe him anyway and I am attacked for daring to question his "story". I belong to several forums involving other subjects and in all of them trolls with no history trying to stir up things are always dismissed with hardly any discussion. Only in this forum are so many people willing to believe anything and not question something if it doesn't add up.

[Scorpio]

Christopher made the original post in this thread, then on the same day made 2 more posts in response to questions from other posters. When others and myself raised questions about the incident and asked him to refer us to his online ads, he clammed up. As regards to his first original post, who knows what it was or why it was deleted. If you can remember a single travel post made 2 years ago, you are a far better man than me :-).

 

I surprise myself at the things I remember sometimes, but this probably sticks out in my mind because years ago I contacted Christopher when he was first starting out in Miami...and decided to take a pass. And he travels with another Denver based escort that I also once had an interest in hiring...but passed on as well. So that may be why I remember an obscure travel post.

 

I agree that Christopher's story doesn't add up. Living in South Florida myself, this would have made the news. I"m very friendly with two Miami based escorts and neither of them are familiar with the story either. I didn't think Romann's story about Boston added up either.

 

I was mainly trying to point out that whatever his reasoning in posting this story....Christopher is indeed an escort.

 

http://www.men4rentnow.com/ds/index.asp?cmd=view&id=123102&Login=ChristopherUSA

 

Notice the screen name is the same.

 

http://www.daddysreviews.com/finder.php?loc=christopher-0-5-10&who=christopher_denver

[BearDad58]

« I was mainly trying to point out that whatever his reasoning in posting this story....Christopher is indeed an escort.»

 

I agree there is a escort Christopher that has ads with the screen name of "ChristopherUSA" but there is no way to prove the poster on here that uses the screen name ChristopherUSA is the Denver based escort. A troll could have just picked a escort's name at random out of the on line sites - and chose ChristopherUSA as a screen name to use here.

 

Until the original poster of this thread using the screen name of Christopher USA replies to our questions and refers us to his on-line ads, we have no way of knowing if he is the Denver escort.

 

<<I didn't think Romann's story about Boston added up eithe«>

 

I agree 110% with you on that, the story was completely absurd. To have detectives from the vice dept sitting in hotel lobbies trying to see if escorts advertising on line are checking in is probably one of the craziest stories I ever heard. For one thing there are thousands of escorts advertising on Rentboy and elsewhere - many who don't post face pictures at all or if they do they are blurred or otherwise masked.

 

A escort could walk right by a detective and not be recognized as the face picture posted on line wasn't that clear or current. And that doesn't even begin to address the escorts who don't post face pictures. A detective would have to have a book with thousands of pictures in it to cover all the escorts advertising on line. In the few seconds a potential escort could walk by, how in the earth could a detective have the time to look through thousands of pictures?

 

Even if we assumed the police only had pictures of the Boston based escorts, that would still be a couple hundred pictures. Then we have to consider numbers. There are probably at least 40 or 50 hotels in Boston proper/Cambridge that would have to be covered. Thats at least 40 or 50 detectives, and then many hotels are so large with multiple entrances that a single detective couldn't possibly cover them all.

 

So depending on how large a particular hotel would be and how many entrances it would have, you might have to have 5 or more detectives to properly cover each hotel. Actually you might have to even have more detectives than that especially during busy check in times as the hotel and check in lines would be mobbed - so you would have to have a lot of detectives working the crowd and covering all the entrances - maybe 15 or 20 detectives for some of the larger properties.

 

Considering all the hotels involved, a operation like that would have to have hundreds of detectives working in multiple shifts to cover all the major hotels. The thought of all those detectives wandering around with books full of mug shots is completely unthinkable, and the only place I could see that happening would be a skit on Saturday night live.

 

But once again many people on here suspended common sense and believed that story. The fact that Roman is a established escort did give it credence, but he was only repeating the story he had heard from a "client", so obviously misinformation wasn't his fault but the clients. And it could be the client heard the story from someone else so you never really know where crazy rumors or stories get started.

[Guest greatness]

Well

 

It is hard to tell whether two stories are true or not unless you go to the court and check out the police reports. I don't think nobody suspended common sense as you claim. It could have happened. It was a simple warning telling both clients and escorts to be careful. Maybe some parts of the story is exaggerated and altered as it was passed along. If I go to Boston next time I can look into these arrests. However, what's the point when I can't scan the document and post on here to protect identities. If I told you the arrests are true just based on my court visit, will you believe me? It will stir up another discussion because you guys have never met me and know nothing about me. Let's give these stories and sources the benefit of doubt and move on. Especially I don't think Romann meant any harm. However, I do share your point that some parts of two stories do not make a sense but it doesn't absolutely mean it didn't happen. A lot of senseless things happen in our lives anyway.

 

 

 

« I was mainly trying to point out that whatever his reasoning in posting this story....Christopher is indeed an escort.»

 

I agree there is a escort Christopher that has ads with the screen name of "ChristopherUSA" but there is no way to prove the poster on here that uses the screen name ChristopherUSA is the Denver based escort. A troll could have just picked a escort's name at random out of the on line sites - and chose ChristopherUSA as a screen name to use here.

 

Until the original poster of this thread using the screen name of Christopher USA replies to our questions and refers us to his on-line ads, we have no way of knowing if he is the Denver escort.

 

<<I didn't think Romann's story about Boston added up eithe«>

 

I agree 110% with you on that, the story was completely absurd. To have detectives from the vice dept sitting in hotel lobbies trying to see if escorts advertising on line are checking in is probably one of the craziest stories I ever heard. For one thing there are thousands of escorts advertising on Rentboy and elsewhere - many who don't post face pictures at all or if they do they are blurred or otherwise masked.

 

A escort could walk right by a detective and not be recognized as the face picture posted on line wasn't that clear or current. And that doesn't even begin to address the escorts who don't post face pictures. A detective would have to have a book with thousands of pictures in it to cover all the escorts advertising on line. In the few seconds a potential escort could walk by, how in the earth could a detective have the time to look through thousands of pictures?

 

Even if we assumed the police only had pictures of the Boston based escorts, that would still be a couple hundred pictures. Then we have to consider numbers. There are probably at least 40 or 50 hotels in Boston proper/Cambridge that would have to be covered. Thats at least 40 or 50 detectives, and then many hotels are so large with multiple entrances that a single detective couldn't possibly cover them all.

 

So depending on how large a particular hotel would be and how many entrances it would have, you might have to have 5 or more detectives to properly cover each hotel. Actually you might have to even have more detectives than that especially during busy check in times as the hotel and check in lines would be mobbed - so you would have to have a lot of detectives working the crowd and covering all the entrances - maybe 15 or 20 detectives for some of the larger properties.

 

Considering all the hotels involved, a operation like that would have to have hundreds of detectives working in multiple shifts to cover all the major hotels. The thought of all those detectives wandering around with books full of mug shots is completely unthinkable, and the only place I could see that happening would be a skit on Saturday night live.

 

But once again many people on here suspended common sense and believed that story. The fact that Roman is a established escort did give it credence, but he was only repeating the story he had heard from a "client", so obviously misinformation wasn't his fault but the clients. And it could be the client heard the story from someone else so you never really know where crazy rumors or stories get started.

[BearDad58]

« It is hard to tell whether two stories are true or not unless you go to the court and check out the police reports. I don't think nobody suspended common sense as you claim. »

 

We are talking about 2 different incidents here. The Miami arrest could easily have happened and nobody said you had to suspend common sense to believe it. I said common sense would have to be suspended to believe multiple teams of vice detectives were staking out all the hotels in Boston with books full of hundreds if not thousands of escort pictures.

 

Having said that it wouldn't surprise me in the least to hear the Boston Police were engaging in setting up escorts in the traditional method of posing as clients and luring them to hotel rooms - I just have a problem with the thought of all those detectives staking out hotels as the cost would be staggering involving hundreds if not thousands of man hours, versus a traditional escort sting. In any event the Boston thread happened last month and I think most agreed it was absurd and its been put to bed and buried, so lets leave it at that.

 

Still waiting for Christopher USA to come back here and post info that he is for real and to provide more info about his "arrest".

[Guest zipperzone]

[quote=BearDad58;618511

 

I agree 110% with you on that, the story was completely absurd. To have detectives from the vice dept sitting in hotel lobbies trying to see if escorts advertising on line are checking in is probably one of the craziest stories I ever heard. For one thing there are thousands of escorts advertising on Rentboy and elsewhere - many who don't post face pictures at all or if they do they are blurred or otherwise masked.

 

A escort could walk right by a detective and not be recognized as the face picture posted on line wasn't that clear or current. And that doesn't even begin to address the escorts who don't post face pictures. A detective would have to have a book with thousands of pictures in it to cover all the escorts advertising on line. In the few seconds a potential escort could walk by, how in the earth could a detective have the time to look through thousands of pictures? QUOTE]

 

Yes - but - you assume the detective would be looking for a face. What if the escort walked past him in a jock strap and he was able to recognize the butt-hole? Or if the escort was naked except for a bag over his head, then wouldn't he be able to recognize the cock and/or the trimmed pubes? It's not as easy as you make it sound.

[+ purplekow]

Zipper, you really think it is that hard to pick out an escort in a hotel lobby? Tsk Tsk Tsk. I have only been having sex with men for a relatively short period of time and I don't think I would have that much trouble picking out likely candidates from a lobby full of people, unless it was gay pride week or some such when the number of hot, well coiffed and pulled together youngish good looking men in hotel lobbies goes up. Given that, I believe Romann was told about the stings in Boston, I believe some such sting occurred and I believe the details, and the devil is sometimes in the details, have been modified like when one plays Telephone.

 

To prove my point, just this week I was in a hotel lobby in NYC and was easily able to pick out the escort in the lobby. Of course I had hired him but nevertheless it was quite easy to spot him.

[Romann]

Excuse me for side-tracking this thread, but...

 

Point out to me an example where I've disrespected you , said inappropiate things about you?

 

Rian... we can continue this through private message which is where it was before you brought it out into the open.

 

Thanks.

[+ glutes]

[quote=BearDad58;618511

A escort could walk right by a detective and not be recognized as the face picture posted on line wasn't that clear or current.

 

Clear or current, that says it all right there!

[Guest Hottiewithabody]

This shit is fucking crazy..call me a new school liberal but what right does the goverment have to tell me what I can and can not do with my own body..there are worse things to worry about In the world than someone makin a few bucks with a service he is providing..people are gonna do it anyway

[+ purplekow]

Just adding a post to keep this illuminating thread alive. 97 posts and climbing.

[Guest RianB]

This shit is fucking crazy..call me a new school liberal but what right does the goverment have to tell me what I can and can not do with my own body

 

Bloody crazy is right and, as a couple of the posters have refuted the story...as bollocks.

 

I respect and value the operations of the U.S. Armed Forces. However, you mentioned being in the military, isnt that a part of the U.S. government? Why would you want to be apart of an assembly that frankly looks down upon gays and escorts?

[MsGuy]

Praise God, from Whom all blessings flow;

Praise Him, all creatures here below;

Praise Him above, ye heavenly host;

Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

 

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[Just for you, Purplekow]