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[jaynnj]

RE: Canadian Immigration

 

Well I guess its my turn to tell my sorry story lol

on what happened to me !. I always travel to MTl by taking the buss its cheap and it also gives one some time to relax and sleep . I was taking the buss to MTl to see the boys at the strip clubs of course Lol when it was time to stop at the Canadian border, I showed my trusty pastport and a immigration agent a women wanted to know why I was going to MTL so much ,They asked me too step aside and I had to enter a small room where they asked me What I did for a living? , why so many trips to MTL ? how much money did I have in my bank account? Did I have friends there ? etc they also asked to serach my bags which I let them do I was very polite to them at all times causeI knew If I was,nt it could cause many problems in the future, the rest of the tourists that where on my buss where finished going through Immigration and the buss driver said that they would have to leave with out me! and that I would have to wait and get on the next buss for MTL when they themselfs where finished, My buss left and I just contiuned to be as polite as I could be, They finally let me go after about a half hour or so and I got to go on to MTL on another buss,which was packed except for the site behind the driver to make matters worse the driver said to me you cannot site there, Ithen told him what happened to me with immigrations and that I was sitting there like it or not, he said nothing and I go to go to MTL to see

the boys after all, I think cause I was polite with the immigrations and there staff that I nenevr have had another problem with crossing the border.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

It's Not Personal... It's Profile

 

>After the questioning, which was actually not that invasive

>(they didn't search me or my bag), I was allowed to enter the

>country.

>

>I can't imagine why they would want to keep me, in particular,

>out of the country, since except for a speeding ticket last

>year (my first ever, and only 9 miles over the limit), my

>record is completely clean.

>

>However, it was my third visit in as many months, so perhaps

>they were nervous about the frequent visits...who knows.

>

 

They were not 'nervous', just doing their job which is protecting their borders from undesireables, smugglers of contraband, money laundering, and foreigners conducting business with intent to evade taxation.

 

You went from totally off the radar screen to a tourist to a regular repeat traveller in a span of 3 months. That gets their curiosity -- not you but your profile. One way for them to determine your intent is to ask questions. They also look at behavior: body language, eye contact, etc. Not only are your answers important but also you consistency. They keep track of interviews at some level.

 

If you are doing nothing wrong which you weren't and don't have an undesirable background then they have no reason to deny you (although they dont need one). Just be open even if somewhat discrete. Don't act embarassed or like you have something to hide. That only causes them to dig deeper. Hopefully you have a good reason(s) that you are comfortable enough to disclose for travelling frequently. With a city like montreal there should be several -- cultural climate, museums, architecture, to see friends made on previous trips or as MA puts it -- the best strip clubs in North America.

 

Also remember that Customs officers are not automatons. Some are nice, some are not so nice or have a bad day. Some are just bored and want to mix it up. The occasional newbie might be over zealous. Take them as they come. Be forthright and forthcoming, maintain eye contact, keep calm, think about the questions and your answers. Keep it short and to the point. Don't volunteer additional information. It might have the unintended consequence of extending you interview. And above all answer honestly. The problem with a tangled web is that builder sometimes gets caught in it.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Preparation is Good Medicine

 

One-way entry tickets beg for denial of entry. Customs is extremely sensitive to the potential for overstaying a visit. I suspect the Candian side is as well.

 

If one want's to bring a friend to visit make sure he has round-trip tickets, whether or not he intends to use the return trip. I have considered bringing someone down and then driving back. Eating the return is the cost of doing business. Or one could purchase refundable tickets but the cost is probably a wash.

 

An invitation for a visit with a person and location to visit and dates would also be positive evidence of intent for a legitimate visit. Of course plans can change and I believe a stay of up to six months is permitted without special paperwork. Luv would know more about that.

 

One other point... I suspect this applies to younger guys only. Even with a round-trip ticket guys have been denied entry at the border when they could NOT show proof of employment or a permanent residence. Make sure they travel with a current pay stub, rent receipt or utility bill in their name that shows address.

 

Finally, if one brings a friend in who hasn't run the border crossing gaunlet then coach them about what they will encounter. Review the likely questions so they will not be caught off guard. Unclear or hesitant responses from a flustered young guy only invites more questions or denial. They need to have thought through their responses so they can present a clear explanation of the 'who, where, why and how long' they are visiting. Proper preparation enhances the probability for success. Else we wouldn't send doctors to medical school. :+

[Paul Revere]

RE: Canadian Immigration

 

There is only one "s" in bus! Buss is old slang for a kiss. No wonder you got delayed.

[Guest CTguy]

RE: Preparation is Good Medicine

 

>One other point... I suspect this applies to younger guys

>only. Even with a round-trip ticket guys have been denied

>entry at the border when they could NOT show proof of

>employment or a permanent residence. Make sure they travel

>with a current pay stub, rent receipt or utility bill in their

>name that shows address.

 

I think the above pretty much sums up the problem my friend had

 

As an aside, friends of mine joke with me that Canadian Customs would never deny me entry because my visits help their economy so much :7

[beefeater]

RE: Le Stock update

 

I spoke with a Stock dancer today and he said business is bad, they find West Side too small, and some dancers just aren't showing up. Any good news to share? :-)

[+ deej]

RE: Caesar's Wife Must Be Beyond Reproach

 

>It wasn't right and your company fucked you over!! Not

>Canadian Customs and Immigration.

 

Oh, I completely agree!

 

>So was cost an issue all along?

 

Not from our side. It was the first (and last) time the company had sent a trainer to Canada and the coordinator didn't know a work visa was required in advance.

 

The Canadian company that hired us certainly should have known. As it was explained to me, it's their responsibility to arrange the visa. And since it's a "protected profession", they'd have to provide proof that the services couldn't be acquired from a Canadian to *get* the visa. So the customer was either clueless and fucked up, or did it knowingly leaving me swinging in the breeze.

 

I think it was the latter. The client never paid the invoice for the extra $200, and had the balls to request the same training a year later AND ASK FOR ME to deliver it. (We said no.)

 

>>Personal firearms are illegal in Canada.

>

>I was shocked to learn that this is NOT true. A couple of

>farm boys, come to Montreal to make their fortune dancing,

>informed me that Canadians love their guns and are not shy

>about having them.

 

Perhaps a Canadian can fill us in. I was told that people who have guns have them as inheritances. <shrug>

[OneFinger]

RE: Canadian Immigration

 

Thanks for the info. I "assume" I won't have any problem. But, if I do, I'll start a new thread. It might be helpful for others who routinely go across the border.

[happyguy2]

RE: Canadian Immigration

 

After reading all these experiences, and remembering a few of my own, I called an old friend who is a very senior official of the Canadian Ministry.....

 

He tells me that enormous pressure has been put on Canada by the U.S.A. post 9/11. More stringent procedures have been put in effect in general. But, also, something he called the "sex tourism laws" are being applied more stringently. That is why, when we are asked questions about why are we returning so often to a certain city, we must make it clear to them that we are not there for sex tourism, without mentioning it.

 

Like a previous poster mentioned, we love the culture, ambience, even the night club scene in general, and we have made friends, and that, when we have free time, especially considering the dollar difference, even if less than a while ago, that is enough.

 

We must, according to him, always appear honest, matter-of-fact, and sincere about the reason for the trip. Thats all, in order to avoid the sex-tourits designation.

 

That is what my friend said. it's up to you to evaluate it!

 

hg

[Luv2play]

RE: Caesar's Wife Must Be Beyond Reproach

 

I'm no expert but as I understand it, all firearms have to be registered in Canada. This has been the law for several years but is widely unpopular and in some provinces has not been enforced because these provincial governments are opposed to it (it is a federal law but requires provincial enforcement). Therefore many Canadians have guns that are not registered but they are technically breaking the law (I have not heard of anyone going to jail because of it though).

 

Handguns are a different matter. We have always had strict rules for these as long as I can remember. When I was in my twenties, I had a friend who owned a handgun and he had all sorts of special permits. When he wanted to do target practice at the local armory, he had to transport the gun in the trunk of his car in a case, use it at the armory, and then take it straight home, where it had to be kept under lock and key. Lord help you if you are caught with an illegal handgun in any jurisdiction in Canada.

[marc anthony]

RE: Canadian Immigration

 

>He tells me that enormous pressure has been put on Canada by

>the U.S.A. post 9/11. More stringent procedures have been put

>in effect in general. But, also, something he called the "sex

>tourism laws" are being applied more stringently. That is

>why, when we are asked questions about why are we returning so

>often to a certain city, we must make it clear to them that we

>are not there for sex tourism, without mentioning it.

>

 

To the best of my knowledge, the "sex tourism" laws apply only to underage hiring. I am not aware of any law that says you can't go to Canada to partake of strip clubs that are legal, go to Amsterdam or London and hire escorts which is legal, etc...

 

BUT... if you are going to somewhere where you are going to hire underage (meaning under 18 REGARDLESS of the age of consent in the country that you are going to), then you can be in big trouble.

 

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

[Guest msclonly]

Why I go to Montreal every year!

 

When I am questioned why I come to Montreal, I tell them that all of Quebec throws the biggest Birthday Party, that I have ever had every year on my Birthday. June 24. And I like the St Humberts BBQ chicken dinner every nite, that I am there.

 

 

 

:+

[Chuck50]

RE: Why I go to Montreal every year!

 

I wondered why I liked you Msclony Mine is the 22nd of June HUGS Chuck

[beefeater]

RE: Canadian Immigration

 

happyguy, good advice, I'll try to remember it if I get called in for a private meeting.

[LustinGuy]

RE: Canadian Immigration

 

I have good news and more good news:

 

I got to Montreal yesterday. I got a few extra questions from Immigration again... "Are you traveling alone?" "Do you know anyone here?" "Are you bringing anything you will leave in Canada?"... seems to me they are mainly worried that I am importing something illegally. Anyway, they let me through and on my mary {sic} way to Stock.

 

More good news... I had one of the best nights at Stock EVER! There were about 15 dancers and many of my super hot favorites... Jay, JP, Sammy, Alex and Rene to name a few. There were very few customers so the dancers were eager and very friendly. Since I know many of the dancers fairly well it was a fun night, kinda like a homecoming. The lack of booze makes it slightly less fun to buy the dancers a drink and have a chat but I still had a really great time.

 

Up and down the strip it seems that the balance is shifting in favor of Adonis... Campus just keeps getting worse and worse IMHO... the guys look tired, strung out and unhealthy and they barely seem interested in anything except drinking and gambling. On the other hand Adonis continues to impress me. Its going to be my new afternoon hangout. They have separate shifts of dancers for the afternoon/evening like Campus but the guys are way hotter, more fun and friendly. I'm going back today

 

If anybody is in town this weekend and wants to meet up or if anyone needs any specific info... send me a PM.

[abc123]

RE: Blowing Off a Dancer

 

Guys, thanks for all of the great comments and suggestions about going through customs. I guess to sum it up, if you have nothing to hide and are confident and respectful toward the agent, then you have nothing to worry about. I'm heading up to Montreal from NY on May 12 for the weekend and I'll let you know if I encounter any problems.

On another topic, how do you guys handle a dancer in Montreal, or anywhere else where lap dances are available, who you are not interested in? I have a hard time being rude and blowing the dancer off, but many times I'm just not interested in a guy who sits down and talks to me. I try to give hints, but after they spend 10 minutes talking with me I almost feel obligated to go in the back with them.

[+ Hoover42]

RE: Canadian Immigration

 

Is "Sex Tourism" such a huge problem in Canada? I assume this includes something other than just going to a few strip clubs.

 

If so, I don't understand why anyone interested in this sort of thing would risk crossing the border instead of just looking for what they want in the states.

 

...Hoover

[+ Hoover42]

RE: Blowing Off a Dancer

 

I smile, talk to them for just a few moments, and then say something along thw following lines.

 

If I'm absolutely not interested in getting together:

Hey, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to relax and watch the show for a while.

 

If I'm not interested then, but might want to get together later:

It's nice talking with you, maybe we'll get together later.

 

If I'm not interested then but definitely want to get together later:

Hey, are you going to be around for a while? Cool. I'd like to do a private later if you're available.

 

...Hoover

[beefeater]

RE: Blowing Off a Dancer

 

>I have a hard time being rude and blowing the dancer off, but many times I'm just not interested in a

>guy who sits down and talks to me. I try to give hints, but...

 

I hear ya, this happens alot to me. I sit down at the bar to relax and enjoy a drink, next thing I know, I become an easy target for the "hustle". I don't want to come across as being rude, I realize these dancers are working boys, but some just don't get the hint that I'm truly not interested.

 

Saying "I'm not interested", or "maybe later" doesn't always work. Being with a friend can sometimes do the trick by politely saying, "I have some catching up to do with my friend, I'll talk to you later", or if alone, "I just got here and would like to relax and look around."

 

Good luck, if you find the solution, pass it on.

[jakobsen]

RE: Blowing Off a Dancer

 

It depends on the club and the dancers. I find it easy to blow off dancers (I'm not interested in) at Stock, Taboo and Adonis. Campus is another matter; the night-time dancers there are quite aggressive. Some dancers get the cue quickly; others don't. If I want to stay longer in the club, I will usually find a dancer I'm interested in and get 2-3 dances. That way, when approached by others, I can say I just had a dance (or dances). If you are seen that you're not interested in lap dances, you may risk not being approached by the dancers you might have an interest in.

[happyguy2]

RE: Canadian Immigration

 

Sorry guys, I left town on a trip that prevented me from accessing my computer. Just got back last night.

 

 

According to my friend, sex tourism is a term they apply to having sex with underaged persons (under 14, I believe). While there is not much of it in Canada, they are on the lookout. I think there was a case in Ontario recently.

 

But, what peaks their interest in us is our frequent return trips - they wonder:

 

1. are we meeting up with people and planning terrorist activities, especially accessing the U.S.A. via Canada for thrid party subversives.

 

2. are we involved in some sort of underaged sexual activity

 

 

 

My friend assures me that they could care less about our clubbing and restauranting. That is why he recommends the "matter of fact" reference to great clubs, restaurants, entertainment and a favourable dollar. And any reference to the great ambience and friendly people seems to go over well, too.

 

hg

[Luv2play]

RE: Canadian Immigration

 

This is good advice! ;-)

[Luv2play]

RE: Canadian Immigration

 

This is good advice! ;-)

[Cooper]

RE: Blowing Off a Dancer

 

"It depends on the club and the dancers. I find it easy to

blow off dancers (I'm not interested in) at Stock, Taboo and

Adonis. Campus is another matter; the night-time dancers

there are quite aggressive."

 

Also, a lot depends on how busy the club is. When I was at Campus two weeks ago during the afternoon, business was very slow. By the time my friends and I sat down for our 1st drink, we had Sylvester, Nathaniel, Roberto, Ryan, and Ben all sitting with us. I didn't mind Roberto and Ben joining us, but they were interested in my friends and not me. :-)

 

I know it can sometimes be difficult when you're not interested in their company, but regardless, always be polite. Don't just ignore them as if they didn't exist, but also don't be overly friendly. Refrain from buying them a drink, putting tips down their briefs, touching them in the crotch area, telling them how hot they look without their clothes on, and never mention that your hotel is just 5 blocks down the road... Advice given by others is great, but you have to say what you're most comfortable with. Afterall, how hard is it to say, I'm not interest right now, or I'll see you tomorrow, knowing full well your flight leaves in 3 hours.

 

Good luck to whomever asked this question. This thread seems to have taken on a life of it's own and I'm still trying to memorize my answers for the immigration official so I don't have any problems entering. So, what do I say if they ask me what kind of "night-life" I enjoy?

[mercury40]

RE: Blowing Off a Dancer

 

>I'll see you tomorrow, knowing full well your flight leaves in 3 hours.

 

LOL, I'll try to remember that one.