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Hope someone from LA can help. I go to LA on occasion and have not consistently found a good site for hustlers. I cruise SMB, mostly east of Highland, but not too much there (at least when I am around). I notice there seems to be some action in a parking lot south of SMB off of La Jolla but am uncertain as to how it works. Would like some pointers for my next visit

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There's some pretty good descriptions of successful pickups (if I do say so myself :p ) in other threads...

 

I was going to say don't limit yourself to east of Highland, but if you've noticed La Jolla (we pronounce that La Hoya for some reason he in SoCal, took me a while to realize) you've obviously gone a bit further west. I was just in the area today and noticed Circus of Books, had heard of it (as a place to cruise, i.e. pick up guys for mutual pleasure, as opposed to for $$). Parked, really obvious guy working the lot (for $$ in his case, I'm pretty sure), looking at people, trying to strike up conversation, not my type and I'd just had some fun, was mostly killing time.

 

Went in the bookstore, maybe the best selection of gay-related books (non-porn) and also a huge porn selection, especially gay DVDs, in the LA area. There were a couple really hot guys, can't imagine why they'd need to buy porn. I kind of doubted any would be interested in me (though it'd be great if I was wrong about them not looking for $$$) and it seemed too crowded to express interest. I'm pretty shy about expressing interest anyway.

 

Went back to the parking lot, obvious guy is still there, tries to talk to me again... don't want to be rude but don't want to waste his time, so I didn't talk to him. As I drove out there was a pretty hot guy I'd noticed inside standing next to his car. I have no idea how this is supposed to work either... But there seemed to be several guys just sitting in their cars... La Jolla probably gets to be a pain in the ass in the evenings though and it looks like the city has intentionally made it this way... there are a lot of no turns after 6/7PM, one road gets blocked off I think... Not sure if it's worth it then.

 

Got back on SMB, heading east. Really hot, built, white guy, young, built ;o), shirt off, blonde. Tried pulling over and looking at him, then pulled around and did it again, didn't get any interest I could discern either time. I may just be too chickenshit about it. Probably a lot more reliable to actually try to talk to them, ask if they want a ride or something.

 

Saw a couple other good looking young-ish dudes, one I was almost sure was working, but he wasn't willing to make the first move, I didn't try to say anything, keep hoping the fact that I've driven by him twice, made eye contact, and am now stopped for no reason near him or along the direction he's walking, with the windows down, will be enough. Guess it is not for some. There is a potential LE issue though, I think cops try to avoid entrapment by having you initiate contact... I'm certainly no expert though.

 

There tends to always be something available down by Orange and SMB, this is where I picked up a very well built but high-as-a-kite guy. He was back there today (looked a lot cleaner, and more calm), but there were also several people sitting on the bus bench. I've had no luck with people sitting on bus benches (though standing behind seems to be a good sign) but noticed they were still there each time I passed the area. Pulled by, slowly, took a good look, pulled around corner onto Orange and stopped. Within a minute a black guy came over, not appealing at all, looked druged, sores on his hands, I said I was sorry, not interested... this seemed to be somewhat expected. He asked me if there was anybody back there I was interested in. Very interesting indeed! But the first one I asked about wasn't working, and the other one I'd noticed I couldn't really describe, and I wasn't really needing to hire anyway, so that was that. I should have tipped 'waiter' $5-$10 though, now that I think about it.

 

There are certainly outliers, but quality mostly degrades (price too, probably) as you go east on SMB. As you get really east (past Highland) the quality tends to stink, but a benefit is they become more obvious. Late evening the youngsters seem to come out, mostly east of Highland. Not my cup of tea at all. It gets pretty bad over there, some crack-whores mixed in, and their pimps.

 

I'll probably check out SMB and La Jolla again, BTW, I had my best luck so far at the corner of SMB and La Brea. Somebody had mentioned the SMB and Las Feliz area in another thread, but it was dead today and pretty far east. I'd say Las Feliz to La Cienaga is the most fertile ground, but you may find stuff outside of that (for example, I noticed a couple guys making eye contact sitting at the tables outside Coffee Bean under Numbers. Didn't seem likely to make the first move even if they were interested though.

 

Hope this helps, have fun, be safe and don't hesitate to 'catch and release' if anything feels wrong to you (I usually give them $20, but maybe I'm too generous).

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>but if you've noticed La Jolla (we pronounce that La Hoya for

>some reason he in SoCal, took me a while to realize)

 

It's pronounced that way because that's the way it's pronounced in Spanish. ;-)

 

An aunt of mine tells stories of being out here when my uncle was in the Navy. Somebody told her to take "the La Hoya bus" and she sat on that damn bench for half a day waiting for one. Just kept letting those La Jolla busses go by. That little girl from a small town in Illinois had NO idea! LOL

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>>but if you've noticed La Jolla (we pronounce that La Hoya

>for

>>some reason he in SoCal, took me a while to realize)

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>It's pronounced that way because that's the way it's

>pronounced in Spanish. ;-)

>

And it is Spanish meaning the jewel :0

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Last time I cruised the area (over a week ago) SMB and Orange was strangely empty, then on my second pass there were two uniformed cops with a black guy in handcuffs, but he didn't look like a 'working boy' to me, more likely other, less to our interest street activities... Third pass there were a couple black women working the corner.

 

Eventually I picked up a good looking guy next door type, mid twenties, white, average/slim build, short hair. This was out past Highland, noticed him on a bus bench, but it being late in the evening and him taking interest in passing cars I looped back by turning right a couple blocks after I'd passed him, right again on a convenient little street, but I came out just before where I meant to (so damn hard to gauge how far you've driven from somebody, as the excitement builds a little), I was just at the corner past him and he was pretty attentive, noticed me and came right over.

 

I asked if he had a place, he said he didn't, was hoping to get one. I said I could rent him a room. He directed me back towards the cheap motels. We talked a little about preferences, he said he gave oral, didn't really bottom but didn't rule it out by any means. Eventually I said I had $80 on me, would that be enough. He asked if I was a cop, could he touch me, I said, no and of course, could I touch him?, so we felt each other up a little as I was driving. Then he said $80 would be fine.

 

We went to the one I'd been to before, I gave him $40, I guess they were full up or not interested in renting overnights, so we went a block further south to the next one. $35 for an overnight, they didn't give him a key even for overnight, the manager had to come and unlock the door, this was after insisting that the guy write down my make/license plate... he asked me if it was ok, I said yes, but fudge the numbers if he can. Not a very discrete place, especially with the manager coming in the room for a minute after unlocking the door, far preferred the other place. This one was a little cleaner I suppose, but didn't have the mirrors or anything special, and the light in the bathroom didn't work. Finally got rid of the manager.

 

It became pretty clear he wasn't gay, just really needed the cash, hugged him to me a couple times, ran my fingers through his nice short hair (on his head ;o), he undressed, got on the bed, I undressed, went to the bathroom to clean up. He was hard at least, with a nice body, I laid down beside him and he set a new low for a bad blowjob. He went from the side, would go down two or three times then wipe off his tongue with his fingers and jerk me for half a minute or more before repeating the 3 strokes, clear... I let him do this for 10-15 minutes, then started to grow bored. If I'd had more cash on me to offer him maybe I would've asked to top him, I'd brought my kit in... but don't know if that would've been any better. Brought him up next to me on the bed, eventually jerked myself off with him pressed in next to me, still hard, sucking my nipple (placed his head pretty obviously to give him a hint).

 

We got dressed (after I went to the bathroom and washed with soap and water, seems like a wise precaution, though his mouth and dick appeared perfectly clean of course). I gave him the other $40 (though I was briefly worried he may not have understood this was my meaning, I gave it to him folded, he stuffed it in his pocket without looking...), he asked if I could drop him at the Taco Bell up the street, I said sure, got my stuff, dropped him off. He had to leave the room unlocked since he didn't have a key.

 

I felt sorry for the guy, he talked about how he used to work for a mobile dog grooming service, had some famous clients, was thinking about filing a business plan and getting a loan... I guess everybody has to have dreams, but it doesn't seem likely a guy who's soul possession besides the clothes he wearing is an extra, rolled-up t-shirt is going to find it easy to climb back out... Would've liked to help him but I'm not wealthy by any means, he wasn't especially skilled or great looking, and even if he had been either he had no method of contact I could post here... Maybe I'm just too soft-hearted.

 

This was over a week ago now, I'm pretty much off the cruising SMB kick, guess I'd done well with one great and one passable experience. Not that I won't look... hell, may pick up, but upstairs just outside of Numbers seems a more likely spot. Wonder if you can pickup anything there in the afternoon though...?

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Last time I cruised the area (over a week ago) SMB and Orange was strangely empty, then on my second pass there were two uniformed cops with a black guy in handcuffs, but he didn't look like a 'working boy' to me, more likely other, less to our interest street activities... Third pass there were a couple black women working the corner.

 

Eventually I picked up a good looking guy next door type, mid twenties, white, average/slim build, short hair. This was out past Highland, noticed him on a bus bench, but it being late in the evening and him taking interest in passing cars I looped back by turning right a couple blocks after I'd passed him, right again on a convenient little street, but I came out just before where I meant to (so damn hard to gauge how far you've driven from somebody, as the excitement builds a little), I was just at the corner past him and he was pretty attentive, noticed me and came right over.

 

I asked if he had a place, he said he didn't, was hoping to get one. I said I could rent him a room. He directed me back towards the cheap motels. We talked a little about preferences, he said he gave oral, didn't really bottom but didn't rule it out by any means. Eventually I said I had $80 on me, would that be enough. He asked if I was a cop, could he touch me, I said, no and of course, could I touch him?, so we felt each other up a little as I was driving. Then he said $80 would be fine.

 

We went to the one I'd been to before, I gave him $40, I guess they were full up or not interested in renting overnights, so we went a block further south to the next one. $35 for an overnight, they didn't give him a key even for overnight, the manager had to come and unlock the door, this was after insisting that the guy write down my make/license plate... he asked me if it was ok, I said yes, but fudge the numbers if he can. Not a very discrete place, especially with the manager coming in the room for a minute after unlocking the door, far preferred the other place. This one was a little cleaner I suppose, but didn't have the mirrors or anything special, and the light in the bathroom didn't work. Finally got rid of the manager.

 

It became pretty clear he wasn't gay, just really needed the cash, hugged him to me a couple times, ran my fingers through his nice short hair (on his head ;o), he undressed, got on the bed, I undressed, went to the bathroom to clean up. He was hard at least, with a nice body, I laid down beside him and he set a new low for a bad blowjob. He went from the side, would go down two or three times then wipe off his tongue with his fingers and jerk me for half a minute or more before repeating the 3 strokes, clear... I let him do this for 10-15 minutes, then started to grow bored. If I'd had more cash on me to offer him maybe I would've asked to top him, I'd brought my kit in... but don't know if that would've been any better. Brought him up next to me on the bed, eventually jerked myself off with him pressed in next to me, still hard, sucking my nipple (placed his head pretty obviously to give him a hint).

 

We got dressed (after I went to the bathroom and washed with soap and water, seems like a wise precaution, though his mouth and dick appeared perfectly clean of course). I gave him the other $40 (though I was briefly worried he may not have understood this was my meaning, I gave it to him folded, he stuffed it in his pocket without looking...), he asked if I could drop him at the Taco Bell up the street, I said sure, got my stuff, dropped him off. He had to leave the room unlocked since he didn't have a key.

 

I felt sorry for the guy, he talked about how he used to work for a mobile dog grooming service, had some famous clients, was thinking about filing a business plan and getting a loan... I guess everybody has to have dreams, but it doesn't seem likely a guy who's soul possession besides the clothes he wearing is an extra, rolled-up t-shirt is going to find it easy to climb back out... Would've liked to help him but I'm not wealthy by any means, he wasn't especially skilled or great looking, and even if he had been either he had no method of contact I could post here... Maybe I'm just too soft-hearted.

 

This was over a week ago now, I'm pretty much off the cruising SMB kick, guess I'd done well with one great and one passable experience. Not that I won't look... hell, may pick up, but upstairs just outside of Numbers seems a more likely spot. Wonder if you can pickup anything there in the afternoon though...?

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James,they open at 6 for cocktails,7 for dinner service.

As far as the "rent by the hour" places,I find them truly scary,and am unable to enjoy any company in such places.I have been nidding on Priceline for rooms in LA and usualy get something between $35 and $50

Check out biddingfortravel.com for more info about using priceline.You can get a relly nice 4 star downtown on a saturday night for under $60,or a nice 3 star for under $40.And not worry about crabs-or a crabby manager walking in on you!

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James,they open at 6 for cocktails,7 for dinner service.

As far as the "rent by the hour" places,I find them truly scary,and am unable to enjoy any company in such places.I have been nidding on Priceline for rooms in LA and usualy get something between $35 and $50

Check out biddingfortravel.com for more info about using priceline.You can get a relly nice 4 star downtown on a saturday night for under $60,or a nice 3 star for under $40.And not worry about crabs-or a crabby manager walking in on you!

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Cheap Motels in Hollywood

 

In another thread I mentioned an hourly south of SMB, but I had the street wrong.

 

The one with the mirrors, $20/hr is on La Brea, cross street Venice (it is a way down). I think it's called Hawaiian Paradise. And as I mention in this thread, there is another place about a block further south, on the other side, don't know the name though.

 

If you go to one it'd be a good idea to specify the room must have working air conditioning...

 

You should be careful though, this seems to be into LAPD's area, though I doubt somebody you pick up in WEHO that lets you drive him around then all the way down there, across jurisdictions, is likely to be a cop. I certainly wouldn't pick up anyone down there.

 

I tried Pink's 'world famous hotdog stand' this time when I was in the area (La Brea and Melrose, the Motels are further south), I dunno, they think it's good that their scrawny hotdogs 'snap' when you bite into them, I don't think it should take so much effort to bite through a hotdog, myself. But the toppings are quite imaginative, and maybe their polish sausage is better.

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I agree they leave a hell of a lot to be desired. But the whole point of cruising is you want something now(!), priceline would take planning... ;o) Could do a legit escort at their place (think there may be one or two in WeHo... ha!) if I put in that much forethought...

 

Hadn't really considered the possibility of catching something from the bed though... eck...

 

Yeah, I know Numbers opens late, I'm wondering if there is anything to be found on the patio before they open...?

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James,it not only a possibility of bugs in the bed of one of these places-it is a probability.

You can try hanging out at the Coffee Bean and tea leaf in the late afternoon,some of the numbers reg's meet up before opening.

The Spotlight opens at 6 am!!!!Was there yesterday at 4 and there were a few(3 or four)numbers there!

When I first started out-8 years ago cruising SMB,I was much like you.The hunt and chase was more thrilling than than the capture.

I now limit my street cruising to a few passes on SMB(and I very my "turn pattern" so as to not be busted under the anti-cruising ordainances)to three passes.And I do not make special trips into town just to do this-I always have something else planned(maybe just visit with friends-or have lunch)therefore I am never wasting an entire afternoon on such cruising.

The gasoline and the miles on my car(and wearing out my tires and brakes-and I have been in two expensive fender benders while cruising SMB)and my personal time are just too valuable to me to waste.

I now get a hotel room once or twice a month(unless I go to Montreal that month)And limit my street cruising.I will have lunc,or a snack,at a place where I can observe foot traffic on SMB,and sit for a while(I usually have something to read)Same dining ideas;Los Burritos in the TJs parking lot,Yukon(YUCCCKK ON THIS)Mining company-same location.French Market place(patio-go at an off time)AstroBurger(patio)FatBurger(patio)Carls Jr(I know-not PC)at LaBrea and SMBor Benitos taco stand on McFadden.

None of these are very good(astro and fat burger are ok)as far as the food-but the eye candy(and cruising possibilities)arwe worth the indigestion!

These all involve GETTING OUT OF YOUR CAR,which I find to be more productive-less risky these days!

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James, I don't know you at all. I just want to say that after reading a few of your epic SM Blvd. stories, I'm kind of worried about you getting busted. I too fell into that ritual spell of cruising the boulevard when I first moved here years ago. I think sometimes our 'other' head takes charge and makes some pretty dangerous decisions for us. Luckily for me, it was a friend's arrest that woke me up before it happened to me.

 

The awkward approaches and naive clumsiness of your encounters are red flags for the constant police surveillance going on these days. At least that is how it reads when you convey your little jaunts to us. They are arresting guys every day for this. Especially since they reconstructed the Blvd. Talking to these guys at lights and waiting around in parking lots is just asking for it. I'm just wondering if you realize this.

 

Also, and this is really none of my business, but your willingness to settle for desperate as hell guys in the seediest of motels just to achieve the nights objective of 'getting off' speaks volumes about self esteem here. If you get arrested you will here a lot about this at the Sexual Compulsives Anonymous meeting they'll send you to.

 

I realize we all have to decide on our own boundaries. I also realize that many people have issues with the idea of paying for company in general. Personally, I kind of get the creeps paying a desperate guy really down on his luck. I'm no saint. I just think escorting as a choice can be very sexy. Hustling out of a last resort, knowing the guy is most likely repulsed by what he is doing, just hurts my heart.

 

I know I probably should have kept my mouth shut as I usually do in here. I just thought if I could just get you to be a little more careful about all this, it would be worth the complaints I'm most likely going to get about such a blunt and moralistic post. I try to live in a judgment free zone and not sweat the small stuff. Live and let live is an important motto in my life. Still, sometimes a different perspective is good to hear.

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>>it would be worth the complaints I'm most likely going to get

>>about such a blunt and moralistic post.

 

First let me thank you for your concern and say I hope you don't catch flak for it. Hopefully you'll find these lower forums are less likely lynch somebody for stating their opinion.

 

In no particular order...

 

You have to understand that I am unbelievably inexperienced, and I realize that I tend to jump into 'new hobbies' with too much passion. You are not the first to express some concern about the SMB cruising. Self esteem plays a role, I fully grant.

 

I am aware of the danger, and have resolved to quit. It has been a great distraction, but the risks are, as you say, too great for the meager rewards.

 

I also found the last (from over a week ago...) episode rather distasteful, and it re-confirmed my desire to quit. The instant gratification and the potential thrift of this method are outweighed by dangers. Numbers, Craig's List, and this board all seem to be better and safer alternatives, in the order I put them in.

 

I don't worry that those with deep moral imperatives against paying for it at all read this board much, but even if they did they can keep their fairytale of damnation to themselves, according to them we're fully sunk two or three times over already anyway. :o)

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Hey Justlooking,

I hope you don't get trashed either. You offered concerned advice to a fellow and your points are well taken.

I have met James and he is a great guy. He has this cherubic and angelic face...wait, is that redundant? Anyway, he is a really nice guy. But he is so quiet!. James, you amaze me buddy. I love reading your posts. They are well thought out and informative. You gotta open up more at the next meeting! lol. You hardly said a word. I know, it can be tough getting a word in when the subject is Rio, but just go for it. I know how it is getting settled in here and in the gay life as a whole. I think you are a great addition here and I enjoyed meeting you.

And justlooking, you're ok in my book.

 

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i agree in part with your thoughts but feel some are a littl extreme. james is very eager to dive headfirst into the la cruising scene and by doing so he has boardered on potential problems for himself. but to think he might get arrested is a little out there ...in reality less than 500 gay male clients are arrested cruising smb as the stats show the larger numbrs are by lapd vice cuffing the guys who try to pick up the females especially on sunset and part of labrea. what i think is more of a serious isue for james is his own safety.

 

i feel he is at greater risk being beat up, robbed or even killed long before the lapd would bother with his cruising style. his selcetion of area to cruise is distrubing east of highland and south of smb. these are known havens for allsorts of problems and troubled people. usually the guys working west of highland tend to be more gay and looking for pay where the guys east of highland are gay for pay only and tend to be more desperate from my experience.

 

as for numbers i don't go there often but again a generally safe area with quite a few visable people around.

 

anyway, just my thoughts.

 

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RE: Cheap Motels in Hollywood

 

I just thought I might offer this tidbit of information from the LAPD website. I know the vehicle seizure practice by the boys in blue has already been mentioned, but it seems to hit home more when you see it in writing. Buyer beware!!

 

I could not seem to get a direct link to post properly but this is from http://www.lapd.org

Here is the text though:

 

 

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LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT

PRESS RELEASE

Monday, June 16, 2003

 

 

"Police Seize John’s Jalopies"

 

Los Angeles: Over the weekend, the Los Angeles Police Department's Hollywood Vice Unit conducted a Prostitution Reverse Sting Operation. During the operation, eighteen people were arrested for soliciting acts of prostitution and two others were arrested on pimping charges. A total of thirteen vehicles were seized pursuant to the newly enacted Los Angeles Municipal Code Section 41.70, which provides for the seizure and forfeiture of vehicles used by "Johns" who solicit or attempt to solicit an act of prostitution. Since this law became effective February 9, 2003, a total of 27 vehicles have been seized during Hollywood Area's Prostitution Reverse Sting Operation.

 

Seizing the vehicles of those who solicit prostitutes is a problem-solving tool that has been used, and proven to be effective, in many northern California cities. We believe this new law will dramatically impact the demand for this quality of life crime, which brings blight and disorder into many neighborhoods throughout the city.

 

"We look forward to conducting many more of these types of operations in the hope that the market for street walking prostitution will dry up in the City of Los Angeles," said Captain Michael Downing, Commanding Officer of Hollywood Area.

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RE: LA hustlers

 

I think maybe I attached my other response to the wrong sub-thread, but what the heck. I think you get the point. :)

 

Just an observation, you will note the press release says they seized 27 vehicles between roughly February 9th and June 16th - about 18 weeks or so. By my simple math that is 1.5 vehicles a week on average. Feeling lucky??

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RE: LA hustlers

 

I hope the point of my posts will not be misunderstood. I hope I'm not raining on anyones parade here! Just want to keep the fellow M4Mers safe, and of course mobile too (keep your cars LOL).

 

James especially, you do seem like a very nice guy from what I gather from your posts, so please be careful and play it safe! :-)

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Never cruised south of SMB (well, no more then a block down as I searched the SMB/Orange area). Drove somebody I'd picked up on SMB down to the cheap motels twice, but as I said, would never cruise down there...

 

I fully agree that what you find east of Highland is pretty dangerous. Only picked up from that area once, and it was the sad case above, don't see any reason to go much past Orange.

 

West of Highland, especially as you get into WeHo, seems pretty safe (if you can pick out somebody working...). I would think being very careful about what you say, especially before the guy is in the car, you have driven several blocks, made several turns, and watched the mirrors should make it very hard for them to arrest for soliciting a prostitute. Especially if they come to your car instead of you pulling up directly to them and asking them to get in. None of the hustlers I picked up had any qualms about getting in my car, nor objected to the driving. It would have to be a pretty big operation out for a cop to feel tolerably safe in those circumstances I think, and it'd have to be an even bigger and more unlikely operation for them to be OK with you crossing jurisdictions (then again, City of LA is within County of LA, so maybe the Sheriffs can cross over without too much hassle).

 

When it does come to terms, just like with the smart ones on HooBoy's, negotiate time for the money ("I'd like to spend a nice relaxing hour."). Asking what the guy happens to enjoy doing with other guys should be in a separate part of the conversation... It takes a while, but that's fine, none of the street hustlers I've picked up have been in a big hurry. If you find you're not compatible after 10 minutes of driving around, just take them back to where you got them, give them something for their time, and drop them off. Much better then spelling everything out in th first 30 seconds and spending the night in jail. As I said, none of the people I've picked up so far have been cops, and I think this is why none of them were insistent on details or in any hurry. If you pick up one that is, think cop (or bad time anyway) and drop him back off.

 

You could go even further and say right out you'd like to pay for their time to just talk, you're writing a book or article... then when you're comfortable go further. I can't see why a cop would go with you in the first place if you where just hiring to interview them... You could also offer to take them to eat first, I don't think a cop would ever do that. One thing is for sure, while just about every hustler has asked me 'Are you a cop?' that doesn't work. Getting them to commit a lewd act, or at least one that would be embarrassing to them when their buddies hear it, like showing their dick, kissing you, may work, as long as it's stated for the potential microphone to hear. Doubt they'd have any trouble doing something you couldn't prove they did... Be careful about being the one doing the lewd act though, they may be happy to settle for that if you seem too smart to solicit.

 

As BGP pointed out there are other dangers, traffic, anti-cruising laws if you loop too many times and a cop notices.

 

Just some info for those that may keep doing it. I'm no expert, but hopefully it helps someone.

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Hi guys-I won't point this just at James because I feel he is just verbalising(posting)what a lot of us are still out there doing(myself included)

Do not think for one minute that LAPD vice squad plays fair.They don't-never have!They lie,fabricate evidence,doctor tapes,get people to give false testimony(through coersion or outright bribery)and "lose"docments or evidence that may be benificial to the plaintif.

We Have a chief of police who is after a big political career.He is all about window dressing,rather than going after the source our reason for street crime.

If you are arrested for solicitation,lewd and lacivious etc...You might go to JAIL,that is not a good place to be for an out gay man-horrible if you are still closeted or have a family to think about.If you want a truly shaming experience-try explaining to your wife and kids why you have to be bailed out of jail-or where you wre for the last 72 hours.

I of course think this is all so regresive as to be laughable,I have been fortunate enough to never have been caught in such circunstances.But i have friends who have been through this hell.It is not worth it.

You might think you are to sly to get caught,and many of you may be(I myself think I am-but that comes from years of experience at this game-and even I have changed the way I hunt these days)but one car siezure a week-that is scary.

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