Escort Fees

[noviceny]

I really hate to admit it, but I thought Jesse's joke was funny...

 

As for the use of the word nigga, well Rick you can probably guess who I am cause I used that word a lot when I met you and Derek :-)

[mansniffing]

RE: Escort Fees—Shop

 

Negotiate. I think $200 is a bit much but that would be my limit if I bought. In days of old before the Internet, hustlers sat in bars or stood on street corners waiting for a john to negotiate with. In Amsterdam you can browse and take a good look at the merchandise before you buy. From the reviews I read and the pictures and resumes posted on the Inernet, it's a pretty jaded bunch of goods out there.

[Rick Munroe]

Hey, I never would have guessed but it makes sense because I like noviceny the poster and I liked you.

 

You know, if I had known you were noviceny, I would not have been able to resist teasing you about that infamous douching post. Very smart to have kept it on the D.L., yo.

 

(Btw, I didn't want to use "nigga" in my post above. I wanted to use the version that ends in "-er" but the software wouldn't let me.)

[ncbearguy]

I have never met an escort that I would pay over $250/hr. THe ones that are charging $350 are driving the cost of escorts up. Soon intead of $200-250 for the going rate it will be closer to $300. I remember the good ole days when $100-150 was the avg rate for a good escort....those days are long gone .

[noviceny]

hahahahahha...you have PC software !!!!

 

I knew you would give me "shit" so I pulled a Batman and concealed my true identity...

 

anyway I like to get to know people as people and you guys were definitely friendly and cool

 

To keep this thread on track, your fees were quite reasonable :-) :-)

[happyguy2]

I have never bargained. I think it would be insulting to the escort who has decided on what his time is worth. If I think it is too much, then he is out of my league, and I move on to someone else.

 

Secretly, I figure that if I bargain, he will bargain out his services to me as well, not being top-notch, since I am not paying his full fee.

 

So these are two reasons why I never talk them down. I have never had a problem finding people in my price range, which as I have stated is around $200, 250 ( in some situations)

 

Like SA has said, if they don't get the business, they will come down. I don't mean to speak against those who do baragin, I am only telling you what I do!

 

hg

[JT Brooklyn]

IMHO. I think to, it would depend on the Guy you Contact. There are many guys who, after discussing "Day & Time", are willing to make a Rate adjustment..IF you are not looking for a Weekend, which is most Popular,or an Evening..They are willing to "Tivo" the "Afternoon Soaps" and come on over! BUT IF the Guy has a Day Job..The odds are understandably against an adjustment! He doesn't have the Time to Play with...LOL :+

[+ Charlie]

I agree with BG that there is little relationship between the amount paid and the satisfaction received. In the past two years the least I have paid is $100/hr (in southern California) and the most $300/hr (in New York). The level of satisfaction was about equal, and neither was as good as someone who charged $150/hr (in Philadelphia). Over many years of hiring, I have generally found those who charge more than the average rate in that area rarely provide a better than average experience.

 

I disagree with BG about negotiating, however. I used to try this when I was newer at the scene, but I concluded that most experienced escorts quote what they think they are worth, and if they reduce their price, they feel less inclined to give wholehearted full service, since they feel they are being taken advantage of. If an escort quotes a price that is too high, I simply thank him for the information and tell him I may try him again when I am prepared to pay that much; if he immediately tries to bargain, then I know that he is already charging more than he thinks he is worth, or he is desperate for money, neither of which is a good sign.

[SAdler]

Well that's a horse of a different cock, er color.

 

When it comes to afternoons and evenings that are kind of time indeterminate, that's where my rate structure completely came together. In a sense, I want your business and everyone to be happy all at once. If I can custom tailor a rate to work better for our individual meeting I'll do so. Like an extended overnight or weekend, the needs and times can totally vary from instance to instance so those rates can and usually do get negotiated.

 

But when it becomes insulting is when a particular period of time is outlined and established and THAT is bargained. Hourly was NOT something I used to do until my regular clients started requesting them occasionally because they didn't have time for a full dinner session and the like. Hourly is pretty much the same premise as a lawyer or any other professional contractor, you don't bargain with them.

 

Their price is their price and that needs to be respected.

[+ glutes]

You guys are a little... late here.

Lucky posted a picture of Dubya struggling to jog with the same quotation right before, or after, his big 'win' in November.

[JT Brooklyn]

Totally Agree.. I Never was the "Slam Bam" Type! A guy wants to get off in under an Hour,(usually Sex 40 mins, give or take)) he can pay $250. It's his decision..Personally... I can J/O very Nicely, in well under an Hour! LOL Any and all of my "Hookups and Reviews" are for at least 2 hrs.. So "My Opinion" is for the "Extended Sessions" Only! The NYC Guys are very "Obliging" to this Bklyn Guy! LOL :+

[N.N.]

>But when it becomes insulting is when a particular period of

>time is outlined and established and THAT is bargained.

>Hourly was NOT something I used to do until my regular clients

>started requesting them occasionally because they didn't have

>time for a full dinner session and the like. Hourly is pretty

>much the same premise as a lawyer or any other professional

>contractor, you don't bargain with them.

 

Many male escorts don't conduct their business as professionally

as lawyers or contractors tend to. When escorts in general

answer phone calls and emails promptly and courteously,

advertise their real ages and dick sizes, don't stand

clients up, etc., then their industry will be more

comparable to that of other professionals.

 

I acknowledge that some escorts are reliable and honest and

professional, but overall standards in the business leave

something to be desired.

 

But all that is beside the point that a polite request to

negotiate (along with a willingness to graciously accept a

response that the rate is firm) is not insulting in any case.

Many professionals (e.g., doctors, hospitals, contractors,

engineers) do in fact negotiate.

[SAdler]

>Many male escorts don't conduct their business as

>professionally

>as lawyers or contractors tend to.

 

Many. Not all. The problem with these generalizations is those of us NOT fitting the mold imposed upon us by the client community. Has it occured to anyone that perhaps we specifically don't answer SOME phone calls or emails based on their approach and content? It's not the oly answer but to judge the ENTIRE escort community because of the errors of a few is simply inane.

 

>When escorts in general

>answer phone calls and emails promptly and courteously,

>advertise their real ages and dick sizes, don't stand

>clients up, etc., then their industry will be more

>comparable to that of other professionals.

 

Who are you to judge what professions are more valid? From a social context sure, a doctor may have more prestige. Realistically, I don't know who is shunned more between a lawyer and a prostitute (that was a funny joke -- laugh). But frankly, most of my co-workers bring home a lot more an hour or week after taxes than nearly many of the outlined professionals.

 

>I acknowledge that some escorts are reliable and honest and

>professional, but overall standards in the business leave

>something to be desired.

 

Don't judge the business standards until you've walked a mile in someone's thong. It's unfair and simply wrong.

 

>But all that is beside the point that a polite request to

>negotiate (along with a willingness to graciously accept a

>response that the rate is firm) is not insulting in any case.

 

Again. Who are you to say it's not insulting? Have I done a threeway with you in the past year or so? Are you selling a very unique product for a price you have every right to set? Didn't think so. Until you have done it, you don't have ANY right to say what is and isn't insulting. I don't care how involved in the industry you might think you are.

 

>Many professionals (e.g., doctors, hospitals, contractors,

>engineers) do in fact negotiate.

 

And finally. Yes, you're right. Indeed they do. But as a PATIENT of CLIENT you do NOT ASK for a discount or price break. You'd be laughed out of an office or told that wasn't an option. A practitioner in a good mood will OFFER a price break but it is not your right or responsibility to ask for it.

 

::stepping off soap box::

[Boston Guy]

>>Many professionals (e.g., doctors, hospitals, contractors,

>>engineers) do in fact negotiate.

>

>And finally. Yes, you're right. Indeed they do. But as a

>PATIENT of CLIENT you do NOT ASK for a discount or price

>break. You'd be laughed out of an office or told that wasn't

>an option. A practitioner in a good mood will OFFER a price

>break but it is not your right or responsibility to ask for

>it.

>

 

 

Sorry, Scott, but that's simply not how much of the world operates. Most professionals probably would love it if clients and prospects didn't ask about price and the possibility of discounts or other special pricing. Life would be easier if it were more like buying a loaf of bread, where the price was set by the market and you either bought it or not.

 

But professional services of all kinds are commonly negotiated, almost always at the request of the purchaser. It can be true when one is purchasing as little as an hour of an attorney's time. It's virtually always true for large-scale purchases of any type. If you've been reading the news during the last week, you'll have seen details of the air show in Paris and the deals announced by Airbus and Boeing. In virtually every story, one of the aspects dealt with was the amount of the discounts being offered by the two firms to close the business.

 

If someone is an employee, then their wages are set by negotiation or, possibly, by some kind of previoulsly-negotiated agreement (like a union contract). But consultants and independent contractors of all kinds end up negotiating virtually every deal they do.

 

BG

[Donnie]

>Realistically, I don't know who is shunned more between a

>lawyer and a prostitute (that was a funny joke -- laugh).

 

Dude if you gotta tell people to laugh at your "joke", chances are you ain't funny. Stick to being haughty, stick with what you know.

[SAdler]

It would appear cynicism is above your head. The point of WRITING the fact it was a joke was part of it. Too bad you missed it

[woodlawn]

>It's not the oly answer but to

>judge the ENTIRE escort community because of the errors of a

>few is simply inane.

 

You cannot read this board for very long without coming to the conclusion that the problems NN referred to are extremely common in your business. If the fact that clients have that impression bothers you, then blame the escorts who created that impression, not the clients.

 

>Who are you to judge what professions are more valid?

 

He is someone who has been involved in this business much longer than you have. And he is saying that it makes little sense to compare escorts to other professions when the fact is that they lack the characteristics of other professions -- for example, a certain amount of training that is required before they are allowed to charge people for their services, a common set of performance and ethical standards that all are required to follow, and a regulatory agency that sanctions those who do not meet the standards. Escorts have none of those things.

 

>>But all that is beside the point that a polite request to

>>negotiate (along with a willingness to graciously accept a

>>response that the rate is firm) is not insulting in any

>case.

 

>Again. Who are you to say it's not insulting?

 

Again, he is someone who has been involved in this business longer than you. And so am I. Someone who understands that this is a business will not be insulted by an honest and polite offer. Someone who does not understand this is a business should find something else to do.

 

>And finally. Yes, you're right. Indeed they do. But as a

>PATIENT of CLIENT you do NOT ASK for a discount or price

>break. You'd be laughed out of an office or told that wasn't

>an option. A practitioner in a good mood will OFFER a price

>break but it is not your right or responsibility to ask for

>it.

 

You don't know what you are talking about. As a customer I have every right to ask a service provider anything I wish. And if he wants my money he had better answer me. After all, the money I am providing has a value that is certain and easy to ascertain. But how do I know whether the service he is providing has the value he says it has? He may have a good reputation, but there are plenty of people who don't live up to their reputation. The only evidence I have that his services have the value he assigns to them is that he says so. My opinion is just as valid as his, and if I don't think his services are quite as valuable I have every right to say so and make a counteroffer. It happens all the time.

[Donnie]

>It would appear cynicism is above your head.

 

That's more like it. I told you "haughty" was what you do well.

[SAdler]

>Sorry, Scott, but that's simply not how much of the world

>operates. Most professionals probably would love it if

>clients and prospects didn't ask about price and the

>possibility of discounts or other special pricing. Life would

>be easier if it were more like buying a loaf of bread, where

>the price was set by the market and you either bought it or

>not.

 

A loaf bread. NOW WE'RE TALKING. That's a competitive market. You're talking about goods in this case, not services. My point in reference to professionals is that one can RESPECTFULLY ask for a lower price but not getting it is no cause for rudeness or childish schoolyard chatter behind the escorts back. But back to my free market economy example. Professionals in this day and age are slowly turning into goods as opposed to services. Doctors and specialists have varying level of skill and experience as do lawyers. But frankly, the law is the law and medicine is medicine. One loaf of bread might be better but in the long run you're dealing with getting the best deal on a loaf of bread. A product.

 

Escorts are escorts, right? This topic has been addressed in this thread several times and this topic has been addressed in numerous message board incarnations. ALL ESCORTS ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL. It's not a matter of some being better than others, it's a matter of each escort is a PERSON, and INDIVIDUAL. Not a piece of meat or bread. They're selling sex, but they're selling THEMSELVES in the form of that sex. Hence, a price is a price and that should be respected. When individuals think they have a right to bargain, it propagates the theory that escorts are pieces of meat. It's just not the case.

 

>

>But professional services of all kinds are commonly

>negotiated, almost always at the request of the purchaser.

 

I could have sworn I just said that. Purchaser.

 

 

>It can be true when one is purchasing as little as an hour of an

>attorney's time. It's virtually always true for large-scale

>purchases of any type. If you've been reading the news during

>the last week, you'll have seen details of the air show in

>Paris and the deals announced by Airbus and Boeing. In

>virtually every story, one of the aspects dealt with was the

>amount of the discounts being offered by the two firms to

>close the business.

 

Again. I reiterate. Competitive market. If you want one escort, you should be prepared to pay THEIR price. If you can't afford them, go to someone else. Because the point is, if you want Kyle and can't afford him. You can pay for Dan. The point is, you will NOT be sleeping with Kyle by hiring Dan. On the other hand. Your flight to Paris will be completed REGARDLESS of whether your plane's parts are manufactured by Boeing or Airbus.

 

>If someone is an employee, then their wages are set by

>negotiation or, possibly, by some kind of

>previoulsly-negotiated agreement (like a union contract). But

>consultants and independent contractors of all kinds end up

>negotiating virtually every deal they do.

 

Independent contractors. OK. SOME RELEVANCE. But really, let's get down to the nitty gritty here. An electrician and an escort are VERY different. When escorts start signing contracts for exclusive service then we can use that example. Until then, it seems like a pretty moot point to me.

 

(God I love being stuck in Albuqueerkey with my parents, gives me time to really get into this board )

[SAdler]

>You cannot read this board for very long without coming to the

>conclusion that the problems NN referred to are extremely

>common in your business. If the fact that clients have that

>impression bothers you, then blame the escorts who created

>that impression, not the clients.

 

Perhaps I was wrong to blame the ENTIRE impression problem on the client community but it isn't the escorts fault all the time. Agreeing to disagree here works best for me. The fact is, stereotyping is one of the biggest problems in society. Yes, stereotypes come from SOMEWHERE but it doesn't make it right to assume as a result.

 

>He is someone who has been involved in this business much

>longer than you have. And he is saying that it makes little

>sense to compare escorts to other professions when the fact is

>that they lack the characteristics of other professions -- for

>example, a certain amount of training that is required before

>they are allowed to charge people for their services, a common

>set of performance and ethical standards that all are required

>to follow, and a regulatory agency that sanctions those who do

>not meet the standards. Escorts have none of those things.

 

He's been involved. Great. Until I see his review page and hear about the clients he's worked with it doesn't matter. Try hitting the rest of the world. In parts of Europe, prostitution isn't just decriminalized, it's LEGAL. That provides an agency and a media for all of your qualms with the lack of "training" involved. The fact is, it doesn't make a difference there and it wouldn't here. The "client" mentality is usually that of superiority and overall disrespect, ie they're doing a favor. Again, not to STEREOTYPE but that tends to be the bulk. There are many awesome wonderful guys out there and I thank higher powers regularly to cross paths with them. But for every good guy you talk to there's a chance you'll encounter ten assholes before the next.

 

>Again, he is someone who has been involved in this business

>longer than you. And so am I. Someone who understands that

>this is a business will not be insulted by an honest and

>polite offer. Someone who does not understand this is a

>business should find something else to do.

 

That's the thing. It's RARELY an honest and polite offer. The point is, how can you put a PRICE on yourself? It's just a simple statement. It's wrong to flat out ask someone, even politely, for a lower price because in essence you're saying, "you're not worth that, I think you're VALUE is somewhere around here."

 

>You don't know what you are talking about. As a customer I

>have every right to ask a service provider anything I wish.

>And if he wants my money he had better answer me. After all,

>the money I am providing has a value that is certain and easy

>to ascertain. But how do I know whether the service he is

>providing has the value he says it has? He may have a good

>reputation, but there are plenty of people who don't live up

>to their reputation. The only evidence I have that his

>services have the value he assigns to them is that he says so.

> My opinion is just as valid as his, and if I don't think his

>services are quite as valuable I have every right to say so

>and make a counteroffer. It happens all the time.

 

See my other post. If you're a customer of GOODS which can be substituted by someone else by all means bargain or get a better price. That's free market. In this case, you're buying something unique and "priceless." You wouldn't walk into the Louvre and say you want the Mona Lisa for a million because you're a consumer. It's along the same lines.

 

As to reputation? Don't even get me started. I get into this with clients on occasion and that's a simple answer. I have reviews. you don't. Granted I can wake up one morning and decide to say, screw this guy I'm not gonna show up, but that wouldn't be very good for my "individuality" now would it.

 

::cracks knuckles::

 

Next

[SAdler]

I like to be a master of everything I wouldn't consider it haughty so much as confident and not willing to waste time or keystrokes.

[N.N.]

Scott:

 

Boston Guy and woodlawn did a fine job of responding to your

comments; they saved me the trouble of having to respond to

you point by point. But in response to a few highlights

of what you said--

 

 

> Are you selling a

>very unique product for a price you have every right to set?

>Didn't think so.

 

I have 21 years of very specialized experience in a professional

field. My work is in demand and I'm compensated well for it.

 

 

>>Many professionals (e.g., doctors, hospitals, contractors,

>>engineers) do in fact negotiate.

>

>And finally. Yes, you're right. Indeed they do. But as a

>PATIENT of CLIENT you do NOT ASK for a discount or price

>break. You'd be laughed out of an office or told that wasn't

>an option. A practitioner in a good mood will OFFER a price

>break but it is not your right or responsibility to ask for

>it.

 

Many people in the USA have no medical insurance, and ask

doctors and hospitals and pharmacists to negotiate--with

success. By success, I don't just mean that they pay less,

I also mean that the practitioners aren't insulted. As

woodlawn said, you don't know what you're talking about.

 

 

>But frankly, the law is the law and medicine is medicine.

>One loaf of bread might be better but in the long run

>you're dealing with getting the best deal on a loaf of

>bread. A product.

 

>Escorts are escorts, right? This topic has been addressed

>in this thread several times and this topic has been

>addressed in numerous message board incarnations.

>ALL ESCORTS ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL. It's not a matter

>of some being better than others, it's a matter of

>each escort is a PERSON, and INDIVIDUAL.

 

This takes the cake. Maybe some day if you're misdiagnosed

by one doctor and then helped by another you'll sing another

tune. Or maybe you'll have the experience of being treated

by a doctor like some of the ones I've known, who care so

much about their patients that it makes you want to cry.

 

It would be so choice if a doctor went to one of the

L.A. Hooville meetings when you're there, and if you

would tell them face-to-face how individual your

escorting is, and how medicine is just medicine.

[VaHawk]

>He's been involved. Great. Until I see his review page and

>hear about the clients he's worked with it doesn't matter.

>Try hitting the rest of the world. In parts of Europe,

>prostitution isn't just decriminalized, it's LEGAL. That

>provides an agency and a media for all of your qualms with the

>lack of "training" involved. The fact is, it doesn't make a

>difference there and it wouldn't here.

 

WTF???? does this have to do with anything being discussed in this thread? But I could be wrong, as I'm not aware of any "training" involved in bending over, spreading one's ass cheeks and taking it up the butt? Just came naturally to me. Does that require an advanced degree?

 

>The "client" mentality is usually that of superiority and overall disrespect, ie they're doing a favor.

 

Wow, has that really been your experience? I, as a client, have certainly never exhibited those traits. However, I as a client, have certainly experienced that attitude from a vast majority of prima donna escorts, who foolishly believe that their $300/hr 6 inch limp cock is to DIE FOR!, unlike the little street boy who sells it for $40/pop. And btw, they ARE doing the escort a favor, as you know, they can take their business elsewhere, as male prostitutes are certainly not a rare exotic treasure.

 

>But for every good guy you talk to there's a

>chance you'll encounter ten assholes before the next.

 

Are you referring to clients or escorts here?

 

>The point is, how can you put a PRICE on yourself? It's just

>a simple statement. It's wrong to flat out ask someone, even

>politely, for a lower price because in essence you're saying,

>"you're not worth that, I think you're VALUE is somewhere

>around here."

 

LOL! Only male prostitutes can not fathom this basic business concept that the rest of the world deals with every day of the week every week of the year, every year of their lives. Every person who gets his ass out of bed at the crack of dawn, and goes to work at a sucky assed job, for FAR FAR FAR less an hour than a prima donna male escort, KNOWS that he is putting a price on himself, ergo "selling" his services for an hourly wage. Grow up and face reality, but of course, as soon as you hit the big 30, I'm sure you'll comprehend the basics.

 

>As to reputation? Don't even get me started. I get into this

>with clients on occasion and that's a simple answer. I have

>reviews. you don't.

 

Really????? Most professionals in the corporate world have to be reviewed every six months on their performance.

 

>Granted I can wake up one morning and

>decide to say, screw this guy I'm not gonna show up, but that

>wouldn't be very good for my "individuality" now would it.

 

I could do that with my "job" too! Wouldn't put food on the table if I did it, would it?

[JT Brooklyn]

VaHawk..I couldn't have said it better myself.. Actually "I know" I couldn't! lol So Thanks.. for saying it for me..

[woodlawn]

>Perhaps I was wrong to blame the ENTIRE impression problem on

>the client community but it isn't the escorts fault all the

>time.

 

If we as clients frequently encounter escorts who display these problems and thus get the impression that these problems are common among escorts, how on earth can that be anything other than the fault of escorts?

 

> Again, not to STEREOTYPE but that

>tends to be the bulk. There are many awesome wonderful guys

>out there and I thank higher powers regularly to cross paths

>with them. But for every good guy you talk to there's a

>chance you'll encounter ten assholes before the next.

 

Well, I certainly am glad you're not the type of person who makes assumptions about the people he deals with just because he's had bad experiences with some people in the past! LOL!

 

 

> It's wrong to flat out ask someone, even

>politely, for a lower price because in essence you're saying,

>"you're not worth that, I think you're VALUE is somewhere

>around here."

 

And what is wrong with that? If I have never experienced your services, how exactly do I know whether I am going to agree with your assessment of their value? You, as the service provider, don't have to worry about the value of what I am offering you, because one dollar always has exactly the same value as another and so my money is just as good as any other client's. But the value of what you are offering isn't fixed, it's just a matter of opinion. Why do I have to accept your opinion about it?

 

>See my other post. If you're a customer of GOODS which can be

>substituted by someone else by all means bargain or get a

>better price. That's free market. In this case, you're

>buying something unique and "priceless." You wouldn't walk

>into the Louvre and say you want the Mona Lisa for a million

>because you're a consumer. It's along the same lines.

 

So you are saying that you are providing something that I can't get anywhere else? Once a customer hires you, they will never be satisfied with anyone else again? That's quite a claim! Of course, if it is the case that customers find other escorts satisfy them just as well as you do, then it would not be true that you (or any other escort) is providing something that is unique, right?

 

>As to reputation? Don't even get me started. I get into this

>with clients on occasion and that's a simple answer. I have

>reviews. you don't.

 

On the contrary. If you want to find out the value of what I am offering -- which is money -- you can open the business section of any major newspaper and find out exactly what a dollar is worth today. Those are my "reviews." As to your reviews, they are the opinions of a small number of people who may have completely different standards that I do. I think we are all familiar with the fact that escorts with many positive reviews here have also done some pretty rotten things.