Nightmare Clients

[Guest cp8036]

<Thats is all I see here is you venting, please tell me where there is a thread posted of escorts venting on how bad the clients are? >

 

Michael,

 

Please look above for the thread for escorts to vent..

 

I am always glad to hear your points, as well as those of the other escorts. Is the only thing that brings balance.

 

I think it would be good to hear what really makes a bad client, or what bad experiences. Might prevent one nasty experience from a would-be client who reads this. Maybe will understand that he needs to check his breathe. If anything at all, will give you a chance to vent about a particularly bad client. At the minimum would make for good reading.

 

Perhaps some ppl dont mean to bash someone so badly, just comes across that way.

 

I will offer this. Hiring someone for sex is not exactly a validating experience for some clients. Somewhat of an attack on the ego and self-confidence. Whereas your position can be enviable for many -- getting money for sex (some can be bad..some good...). Perhaps this negativity is the only way of exercizing power and/or revenge. Just a thought.

 

Hope you dont get too frustrated.. I like hearing from you.

[Guest JD]

OK escorts, here's your chance. Please share those nightmare experiences you've had with clients.

 

We've freely aired our complaints against you. Now it's your opportunity to tell us about our "short-cumings", mistakes, or inappropriate behaviors.

 

What do we need to know to make us better clients? (Please be specific!!) :-)

 

JD

[HooBoy]

I'm gonna let this go until a name is mentioned.

 

First name will be okay. But if a full name or any reference that will identify a client is posted, this entire thread will be deleted.

 

My take is that the poster wants to read about experiences that were unsavory to the boys. NOT an expose of bad clients.

 

They already have a forum for that on Yahoo.

 

HooBoy

Email: HooBoy@male4malescorts.com

[Guest JD]

HooBoy,

 

I totally agree that names should not be mentioned. You're right, it's not my intent to compile a list of "dead beat" clients.

 

I'm sure there are things I've done that are insensitive, irritating, or bothersome to the escort. I hope they tell us where we fall short of their expectations.

 

JD

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

As cool as it may seem, I dont think the point has been recieved. We are now given the ok to speak our mind or sound off? This is an open forum for both sides to contribute openly. Not get a chance every 3 months from one side to get the OK to sound off.

 

Further more, what good will it accomplish to tell of negative experiences to other clients. If I or any other escort contributes to a rashing of negativity we have pretty much followed the "If ya cant beat em, Join em" metality.

 

I have addessed the negative attitude expressed by some towards escorts in general, alls I ask for is that to stop. If there is a bad escort out there, ya warn the others. Nobody likes to get ripped off. BRAVO for this site allowing you the ability to do so. But you dont have to carry it into this forum and take your anger of one situation out on all escorts.

 

Enough of my boring babble.

 

Michael Johnson

[Losgatan]

Michael,

 

Believe it or not, there are a bunch of us on this board who truly honor and respect our escort companions. We seek out those of you who bring more to the table (or bed) than a hard cock and a tight asshole. And, we’re willing to commit more to the relationship than your advertised fee.

 

No, we are not looking for a romantic relationship. Nor do we habitually morph into diabolical stalkers. We are simply looking for a truly human connection – a reaffirmation of our ability to give and receive genuine affection. Yes, it’s a commercial relationship. And, yes, it may only last for a few hours. But yes, it can touch the heart and rejuvenate the spirit.

 

Those of you who are willing and able to connect with your clients on this level are very special people. And I, for one, am truly grateful.

[+ deej]

Michael, your babble is never boring. (And I mean that in the MOST loving way possible! ;-))

 

Just when it seemed escort participation in this board was at an all-time high (and really quite well accepted), you all start chiming in with a bitch-fest.

 

DCescortBOY asks whether he should stay or leave and the almost unanimous opinion is STAY. Jason Reardone posts his displeasure and meets almost universal approval. Your own thread is gaining steam in that regard.

 

That should tell you that you are welcome here.

 

Instead of posting disapproval and adding to the existing vitriol and almost hate-crime nature of some threads, why not add somthing positive? I know you're capable. You've certainly done it before.

 

In this thread, you have clients asking "hey guys, how can we be better clients?" It's a question that is rarely asked around here. How about responding to that, rather than complain that it's the only time you're allowed? You're allowed any time, but you're not usually *invited* to comment.

 

We'll try to do better about the latter part, but please don't throw out the former. I, for one, would actually enjoy reading the answers and take them to heart.

 

Just my opinion.

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

<Believe it or not, there are a bunch of us on this board who truly honor and respect our escort companions.>

 

Oh baby, I know there are. I spend a good quantity of my time chattin at my beloved repeat clients, I know from the experiences I have had with the few that are on here that there are some amazingly sweet and respectable people in the environment and dont, PLEASE dont misjudge me and assume I think everyone here is mean spirited and has no respect. I wouldnt be doing in this industry if I did.

 

<We seek out those of you who bring more to the table (or bed) than a hard cock and a tight asshole.>

 

Hey now, there isnt another guy out there in this indistry with a tight asshole is there? DAMN!!! I thought I had the market closed up with mine. : )

 

<We are simply looking for a truly human connection – a reaffirmation of our ability to give and receive genuine affection. Yes, it’s a commercial relationship. And, yes, it may only last for a few hours. But yes, it can touch the heart and rejuvenate the spirit.>

 

Simply the reason and cause for the complete satisfaction and pretty much why I can get out of bed and go through the day feeling good about myself.

 

<Those of you who are willing and able to connect with your clients on this level are very special people. And I, for one, am truly grateful>

 

It takes an individual to allow us to connect and give genuine affection. I for one am so grateful and honored when a client becomes a person with me. It shows I still have not become the jaded cold individual that is sometimes represented on the review side. I dont know how many times I have been told by someone during the hour to two hours we spend together that I should always cherish the ability to connect personally to others no matter what their race, age, size ect.

 

Enough for now:

 

Michael Johnson

http://www.geocities.com/michaeljohnsonxxx/index.htm

[+ Lucky]

How many threads do we have going now for escorts to whine?

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

<Michael, your babble is never boring. (And I mean that in the MOST loving way possible! )>

 

Must be the being raised in Seattle as to why I babble, hell all we did was sit around the coffee houses or our living rooms and talk due to the rain not allowing much fun time :-)

 

 

<Instead of posting disapproval and adding to the existing vitriol and almost hate-crime nature of some threads, why not add somthing positive? I know you're capable. You've certainly done it before.>

 

I promise to be a positive voice from now on :-)

( just dont make me mad)

 

<In this thread, you have clients asking "hey guys, how can we be better clients?" It's a question that is rarely asked around here. How about responding to that, rather than complain that it's the only time you're allowed? You're allowed any time, but you're not usually *invited* to comment.>

 

I am not knocking or questioning the intention this thread was posted in. I am simply stating that if one was to describe a "Bad Client" and that person was here reading the board and recognized the sitation as happening to him, would that be really constructive? I am sure there will be postings that are totally uncalled for. And in the end result will lead to someone getting upset and the bashings begin

 

 

 

<We'll try to do better about the latter part, but please don't throw out the former. I, for one, would actually enjoy reading the answers and take them to heart.>

 

I will apply it to my heart and acknlowedge it before posting again

 

Michael Johnson

http://www.geocities.com/michaeljohnsonxxx/index.htm

[+ deej]

<I am simply stating that if one was to describe a "Bad Client" and that person was here reading the board and recognized the sitation as happening to him, would that be really constructive?>

 

I'd like to think we're adult enough to let it be constructive. We've seen escorts on this board own up to less-than-positive experiences. They survived.

 

Egos come and egos go, but if someone sees themselves in a post well ... ummm ... how can I put this tactfully? I can't. Maybe they should see themselves. And I'll include myself in that!

 

How can we learn to be better clients if you're afraid to talk about us?

 

Naming names is of course off limits.

 

But "this guys was just...." or "that guy would have had so much more fun if he'd just...." should be OK. Don't you think?

 

Work with me here, Michael. I'm trying to make this thread work (because I think it could actually be great) without getting HooBoy's panties in a twist. He has enough of that already. ;-)

[Guest DCescortBOY]

bad clients:

 

those who insist on trying to kiss even though i'm 100% upfront that it won't happen.

 

people who insist on rubbing or touching my face. since i was a BABY i have hated things on my face. i'm sure you can imagine how i feel about someone with LUBEY hands rubbing my face.

 

those folks who call & ask "what do i get for that $225" and don't seem to understand when i reply "an hour of my time".

 

anyone who asks "are you sure you don't bottom?" or other questions that are answered in my website.

 

someone who visits the website & then says "tell me about yourself"!

 

the same person getting upset when i ask him to be a bit more specific about the topic on which he wants info.

 

and last, the freak who hired someone in another city who happens to be a friend of mine, then proceded to say that i was some sort of slug because we didn't have sex during the trip we took together. NOTE: i was EXTREMELY SICK; sex when i'm running to the toilet every 15 minutes because of diarrhea just ISN'T going to happen.

[Guest sdmuscl4hire]

Ya know, I know when I cant win.

 

Carry on.

[Guest youngblood]

DC, you bring up a good point--if an escort becomes ill on an overnight or on a trip with a client, and really "can't perform", should the escort expect to be paid his full negotiated rate? I am assuming for the purpose of this discussion that the escort is truly sick, not just conveniently sick of the particular client.

[Guest youngblood]

Is there really such a forum on Yahoo regarding bad clients as Hooboy suggests, or is he just joking?

[ted]

>and last, the freak who hired

>someone in another city who

>happens to be a friend

>of mine, then proceded to

>say that i was some

>sort of slug because we

>didn't have sex during the

>trip we took together. NOTE:

>i was EXTREMELY SICK; sex

>when i'm running to the

>toilet every 15 minutes because

>of diarrhea just ISN'T going

>to happen.

 

I don't condone bad mouthing anyone privately and really hate to write a bad review here-I don't think I've really had to, but you obviously had an unhappy client. Did you discuss the circumstances,ie being sick, with him during or after the trip, reduce his fee, or offer a subsequent meeting for a reduced fee? Yes we are paying for your time, but we do expect some fun too. I had a similar experience with an escort, who failed to perform on a trip, out of about 17 hours together we had dinner for 2 and he slept for 15. He subsequently offered a meeting for free, without a request from me, which made me feel less like I'd been taken. However, we could never seem to find a mutually agreeable time to schedule that meeting, so I still think I was taken.

[CT Dick]

At last, after 12 postings, we get an escort who responds to the original question. Thank you, DC.

 

 

>someone who visits the website &

>then says "tell me about

>yourself"!

 

I'm guilty of this. I ask it as an intro to get conversation going. I try to get a reading on the guy be hearing him talk. It never occured to me that it was annoying.

 

Thanks to this posting, I'll develop a new opener.

 

Dick

[Guest ohioguy13]

I know I for one would like to know how I can improve my connections with escorts.

I try to always to have refreshments on hand (I don't drink so it is usually soda or juice) and I like to sit and talk, I have one escort that always gets a snickers afterward (He says he has one after a workout...and I always give him a good workout <g>)

I shave, clean EVERYWHERE, brush teeth, gargle, breathmints, try to create a comfortable atmosphere, and let them make the first move. I don't want it to seem like it is a meat fest (even though it usually turns out that way..<g>)

In other words...I try to present myself as desirable as possible...I expect the same and so far have been pretty lucky...I have some good regulars that it would be hard to beat...

[+ Lucky]

RE: Nightmare Threads

 

Well, lets work really hard here. Cleanliness is next to godliness on both sides, but these guys are making $250 and up per hour, $1000 to 1500 overnight, plus trips,perks, free drugs, and constant fawning.

So we have to worry about how to make them happier?

[Guest DCescortBOY]

yes, in my particular case, i deserved to be paid.

this was a client i knew well. i'd seen him several times here in DC & elsewhere in the US.

it wasn't my fault i was sick in italy for a week. (i almost blame him for making me eat that awful food in the atlanta airport just before the flight to brussels--kidding, although the food was awful & what made me ill!)

before i agreed to go on the trip, he indicated that it was more about enjoying spending time with me & since i've been to italy several times, i could be a good companion.

i later learned that he had some unrealistic expectations that he was taking a "boyfriend" on the trip. i did point out to him several times that i am not dating anyone & i do NOT have ANY desire to date anyone (except michael in SD :-P ).

none of that changes the fact that i didn't choose to get sick.

 

if it were a new client & just an overnight, i wouldn't have expected payment. but, this was an extended trip with someone i knew.

[Guest DCescortBOY]

the client could have said something to ME instead of going to a city where i happen to know MANY people, and then disparaging me.

 

i did say "i'm sorry for being so sick" (in between toilet visits!). he said not to worry about it & just try to get better. (there was no question of my illness.) if he had indicated any concern, i would have agreed to visit him at his house sometime for no additional fee beyond the plane ticket down there, to make up for the disappointment. i didn't have the opportunity though. i was still in italy (the deal was that he would be there for a week or so, then i would stay on.) after i got a "GIRL, i just heard some nastiness about your little ass!" email from a friend in new orleans, i decided not to make that offer. i suppose i was naive to assume he was being honest when he indicated that sex wasn't the motivation behind the trip. i've learned from the experience though. i'm much more alert to the difference between someone having a great time & wanting to get together more, and someone who seems to have a richard-gere-in-pretty woman complex.

oddly enough, the client said he hoped that bad-mouthing me would spark a conversation with me about the situation. that's crap since he did it in a city that is not my hometown & he had no indication that i knew the other escort to whom he spoke ill of me. it was only in my "what the hell is the matter with you?" email to the client that he found out escort X & i were friends.

 

<<I don't condone bad mouthing anyone privately and really hate to write a bad review here-I don't think I've really had to, but you obviously had an unhappy client. Did you discuss the circumstances,ie being sick, with him during or after the trip, reduce his fee, or offer a subsequent meeting for a reduced fee? Yes we are paying for your time, but we do expect some fun too. I had a similar experience with an escort, who failed to perform on a trip, out of about 17 hours together we had dinner for 2 and he slept for 15. He subsequently offered a meeting for free, without a request from me, which made me feel less like I'd been taken. However, we could never seem to find a mutually agreeable time to schedule that meeting, so I still think I was taken.

>>

[Guest DCescortBOY]

it is only annoying if you're vague. there is often a lot of info in a website. some things that i wouldn't have any problem with at all:

asking specific questions

asking questions not previously answered

asking for ADDITIONAL info on a particular topic.

i just get irritated with the "so tell me about yourself"! anyone who ever went to charm school (my mother) would tell you it is impolite to ask such a broad question. how am i to accurately describe 22 years of existence in a sentence?

we all know i tend to be VERY reactive... often i just ask "are you sure you saw the website?"

[Guest DCescortBOY]

sounds like you're a pretty good client then!

one word of caution: letting the escort make the move isn't always the thing to do. i've had PLENTY of newbie clients before who would have gotten freaked out if i dropped my pants right away.

i like to let the client make SOME kind of move first, to let me know he is relaxed & ok. if it doesn't look like it is going to happen, i'll place a hand on the client's leg. usually, that's enough. if not, i ask if everything is ok.

[Guest DCescortBOY]

RE: Nightmare Threads

 

no lucky, you don't have to worry about making us happy.

if you do the things i hate, i just won't see you again. no skin off either of our noses.

i'm a bit taken aback though. just because some of us command hefty fees, does that mean that simple courtesy & respect should be thrown out the window?

let me add the #1 bad client faux pas:

"i paid you $XXX; i should be able to do, say, or treat you anyway i want." sorry; that may fly with boys in the street who won't eat tomorrow if they don't sleep with you today, but it won't work here.

[Guest JD]

DC,

 

Thanks for a great reply! Never again will I pinch the facial cheeks of an escort but don't know if I can keep my hands off the butt cheeks. }>

 

Escorts, too, should be able to set limitations and have them respected. As a client, I'd be pissed if an escort didn't respect my boundries. You deserve the same.

 

If I rent a sedan, it would be absurd for me to to expect it to perform as a pickup truck. Likewise, I shouldn't expect an escort who is a "top" to roll over and offer up his ass just because I'm paying him.

 

Clients also demand discretion and confidentiality from the escorts. We don't want the escort publishing our name, phone number, and preferences on the internet. Yet, we often brag, boast, or compare locker room notes of an evening with an escort.

 

DC, sounds like some clients (including me) need a refresher course in manners, common sense, and equality!!

 

JD :-)