What's happening with Devon of San Francisco (Pittsburgh?)

[woodlawn]

RE: SOS - Same Old Story

 

> It sounds like Mr.

>Savage, whom Devon expected to be open minded and support

>Devon's life style as well as his own instead savaged him

>verbally about it.

 

I have no idea who this Savage is, but I do recall that Devon once told me Savage had assured him he had a future as a writer, so I assume Savage is a writer of some sort. The point of Devon's remark to me was to hold up this Savage as some sort of expert on writing whose opinion meant so much more than mine ever could. I have noticed that several of Devon's more recent posts contain insults directed at Savage. Now you tell us that this man whom Devon idolized and threw in my face later turned on him because he is a prostitute? That's very funny. I must make a note to remind Devon of it thirty or forty times between now and Labor Day.

 

>3. Things went fairly well for him financially at first on

>this trip. He even planned to extend it, going a longer route

>than he had expected to. However, when he got into New

>Orleans, the clients there didn't like him,

 

>4. Even then, the financial picture might have worked out for

>him, but he was driving a rental jeep which broke down major

>league.

 

>6. He did get his other site opened, but it quickly went under

>because he had underestimated the amount of bandwidth he would

>need and so was under financed.

 

>He has also mentioned that it would help him if we were to

>consider PayPalling him,

 

So in other words, an escort tried to make money doing something else, fell on his face, and is now coming back to his old "patrons" asking for money. How unusual is that?

[VaHawk]

RE: Stitched Together from The Clues!!

 

Ooops, I guess I forgot to get your permission to post again. The topic covered his mc postings as well as his journal postings, and I am certainly aware of them.

[BigD]

I too am concerned. Such drastic changes indicate

something radical has caused them.

BigD

[Bilbo]

RE: SOS - Same Old Story

 

First, I did not tell you anything that is going on. Unfortunately. Would that I could. I postualated what little I could from the clues in his writing.

 

And why does it not surprise me that you don't know whom Savage is? He is one of the leading sex educators and has been for some time. Interestingly enough, Michael Alvear (who writes the sydicated sex advice collumn "Ask Woody") says in his book (Mean Are Pigs, But We Love Bacon) "Three years ago Dan Savage's syndicator told teh publisher of a gay entertainment magazine that he would not sell the gay author's column to gay newspapers. How's that for irony?" - And, now, perhaps, forshadowing as well.

[Guest Tristan]

RE: SOS - Same Old Story

 

Dan Savage has a column on gay.com under Health and also on PlanetOut. The column is named Savage Love 2.0. He answers all sorts of e-mails on a variety of gay issues - boyfriend problems, coming out etc. It is one one of those Dear... columns for gays. Actually, some of his advice is pretty good.

[woodlawn]

RE: SOS - Same Old Story

 

>First, I did not tell you anything that is going on.

>Unfortunately. Would that I could. I postualated what little I

>could from the clues in his writing.

 

"Postualated" is not a word I'm familiar with, but I suspect you are trying to say that you are just guessing. You have as much right to do that as anyone else, and at least your guesses don't include the weird and extreme notions that others have advanced. But it's true that at one point Devon was holding up this man Savage as some sort of expert on writing and now he is peppering this board with insults directed at the same man, so it's not unreasonable to suppose that something rather unpleasant happened between them.

 

>And why does it not surprise me that you don't know whom

>Savage is? He is one of the leading sex educators

 

"Leading" in what respect? I don't read any of the scholarly journals on human sexuality, but from what I gather Savage is not a university professor or researcher who publishes in such journals, merely some guy who writes a sex advice column for gay magazines -- which I also don't read. That doesn't fit my definition of an "educator" on sex or any other subject. Is he a physician or psychologist who bases his advice on decades of training and clinical experience, like Dr. Drew? If not then what is his qualification for giving such advice?

 

The way Devon threw his name at me during one of our more acrimonious conversations I assumed he was a Pulitzer Prize - winning author at the very least. Apparently not.

[Bilbo]

RE: SOS - Same Old Story

 

Woody - Pretty much right on note, but of course from a much different POV than mine. I, personally, would consider a professor who is only published in journals to be a sex researcher, not an educator. I think that more of the people looking for information that they could use themselves would be reading gay magazines rather than journals. Personally, I don't read Dan Savage's collumns regularly because I prefer gay rags to web sites, with the exception of this one. And, while I understand his advice is very good, I don't believe that he has won a Pulitzer for it. Not yet, any way.

[swallows22]

Our Devon has never been a passive contributor {OK that's an oxymoron}

But for this thread to go on for three days without him saying anything hints at uncertainty. I have never been a big fan of his verbosity, but never wish harm on any one. So make your own decision and either mourn or rejoice and live with it. Cheers!

[woodlawn]

RE: SOS - Same Old Story

 

>Woody - Pretty much right on note, but of course from a much

>different POV than mine. I, personally, would consider a

>professor who is only published in journals to be a sex

>researcher, not an educator.

 

Whatever Mr. Savage's job description may be, you seem to think he is providing a valuable service. In that case, let me call your attention to the fact that Devon's new webpage accuses Savage of being a child molester -- in fact, it's the first thing you see when you go to the page. Should we email Savage to warn him about this so that he can take the appropriate legal action?

[Bilbo]

RE: SOS - Same Old Story

 

If Mr. Savage is the compassionate man I believe him to be, I don't think that he would take action against a man who is in a hospital.

 

Now that there may be some reason to believe that someone, Biggest Fan, knows what is happening to Devon, and, therefore, may be looking out for him for the rest of us, I am going to retreat to just saying prayers and sending Reiki - and maybe PayPaling a small amount of money for all the good times past.

 

Someone (well, OK, it was my gay cousin) has emailed me several of Dan Savage's past collumns in which he makes it very clear that he has no problems with sex workers. So, I'd like to take back anything I said that made it look like he did.

 

I'm not going to speculate what might have happened to Devon physically to bring about his hospitalization, but it's quite possible that his recent incoherency was due to whatever it is and that it also caused some of his recent problems. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? None of my business. I'll just pray for him and know that God will know how to help him and I don't have to.

[latlrnr]

RE: SOS - Same Old Story

 

Guess I missed something along the way... Is Devon hospitalized? From readin his entries to the journal, I felt a definite decline in mental state, but have seen nothing besides this mention that he has had a breakdown of sorts. I do note that he has not posted into his journal for a few days. Anyone know what happened and how he is doing? I pray for his well-being in time. Thanks

[Southern Blue Suicide]

Hello,

 

I took a look at Devon's Diary this morning & saw the giant meltdown with Andrew Sullivan, a guy name GeekSlut, paintings, taking loads up the ass and credit card payments.

 

I've never been a fan but, is he still alive or is he at least hopitalized?

 

 

that is sad

 

-mc-

[buckguy]

I've occasionally read Devon's diary but never really took a good luck until I was prompted by this thread (having a slow night far from home with high speed internet also helped).

 

I was struck by how sudden Devon's posts changed, although there was a short transitional period where the "slippage" became noticable (right around the appearence of Dan Savage). I noticed the reference to Dennis Cooper, who appears to be keeping incoherent writing alive in the tradition of William Burroughs, which I guess may be an inspiration for this new posting style whether it's chemically induced or truly volitional. I also was struck that if you went back a few months, there wasn't much of a real social life there. I got the impression he was closer to his bartender than anyone else and enjoyed seeing his long ago STD doc more than he enjoyed most people's company. He also had two rather tentative attempts at relationships fall apart (it wasn't until they ran their course that these seemed serious)--both were with much younger guys who mirrored much of his own description of himself as a young man (not a great body, college drop-out, etc.). The relationships were sad because he seemed to be trying to deal with his own issues and he was picking guys ill eqipped for this purpose; situations unlikely to work out, which seemed like reflections of a rather poverty stricken social development.

 

What does my little psychological inventory mean? He may be shining us on--he seems to like that, sometimes. But I tend to think he's fallen part. The clap (not a good thing in his line of work although he handled it in a reasonable way), making enough money as an artist that he finally has to start succeeding at it rather than playing at it (having to keep succeeding is scarier for alot of people than fear of failure), having somewhat immature relationships end before they really reach any intimacy---all these things together, along with a big georgraphic move that demands that he move his life in a lot of directions, could be too much.

 

He's probably too old to be going schizophrenic (unless he had episodes in the past he's never mentioned). Mania is more likely, although it tends to ramp up more slowly and life events are usually only important precipitating events if happen when people go off their meds. We've had a several other manic or bipolar posters (JeffOH comes to mind), so this could be part of it, although I don't think he could manage the lifestyle he described if he was on Lithium. More likely, he's gotten really depressed and agitated and probably started self-medicating with some psychedlic or a memebr of the amphetamine family. He might be a bit of a borderline personality to begin with which could make him fall apart more & faster and take away most of the need for taking drugs, but this would have been noticable before. His new persona does things the old one wouldn't--like giving what appears to be identifying information for his Jackson, MS beau.

 

Anyway--long way of using my past education and work experience to say I think he's lost it and sadly, I don't think there's much we can do unless one of our correspondents happens to see the boy walking down the street. I wouldn't entirely rule out the shining one or at least a desire to really freak us out while he's falling apart, anyway.

 

In the past, Devon seems to have been someone who gave as good as he got. It's too bad that the usual critics of escorts as people have mindlessly gotten out the knives. I suspect that even if a lot of this is just "acting out", it's coming from soneone who's gonna need some help pulling things back together.

[curious2000]

For those of you concerned: there is an update posted today supposedly from Devon's brother with news about what happened to Devon on "Devon's Diaries"

[VaHawk]

>For those of you concerned: there is an update posted today

>supposedly from Devon's brother with news about what happened

>to Devon on "Devon's Diaries"

 

Why do YOU keep on posting on a topic/person that MOST REALLY aren't too concerned about? And NOW the charade continues with the "my brother says" bs!

 

Have you EVER looked into the mirror on the wall, and WONDERED why your life is SO centered around the escapades, fictional or otherwise, of someone else????? And you then HAVE the audacity to ADMIT that if you found such postings to be fictional, that it would be a DISALLUSIONMENT of earth shattering proportions to you, personally? Has anyone ever stated that you put the "L" in LOSER! . NO? Then by all means let me be the first to state that!

[BuckyXTC]

>Why do YOU keep on posting on a topic/person that MOST REALLY

>aren't too concerned about? And NOW the charade continues

>with the "my brother says" bs!

 

Everyone pay close attention, because the God of the Trailer Park is speaking to us from Bug Fuck City, Virginia. He must be God, because now he claims that he speaks for most of us in saying that we really aren't concerned about Devon. My, oh my, aren't we all just so lucky to have BubbaGod save us all the trouble of posting anything here, since he knows everyone's thoughts.

>

>Have you EVER looked into the mirror on the wall, and WONDERED

>why your life is SO centered around the escapades, fictional

>or otherwise, of someone else????? And you then HAVE the

>audacity to ADMIT that if you found such postings to be

>fictional, that it would be a DISALLUSIONMENT of earth

>shattering proportions to you, personally? Has anyone ever

>stated that you put the "L" in LOSER! . NO? Then by all

>means let me be the first to state that!

 

And have you ever paused to consider what a horse's ass you are, feeling the need to pronounce everyone "loser" who doesn't have your cynical, alcohol-induced view of reality?

[curious2000]

>

>Why do YOU keep on posting on a topic/person that MOST REALLY

>aren't too concerned about? And NOW the charade continues

>with the "my brother says" bs!

 

I can post on any topic on this open forum that I want to, and I am very concerned and interested on this topic, and I disagree with your observation that MOST here aren't too concerned. didn't you read all the messeges? MOST DO SEEM concerned and only YOU and woodlawn and maybe one or two others don't seem to care and are angry that other people do. Since you ARE NOT concerned why bother even posting about it and what concern is it of yours that I do? Take a look in the mirror and ask why you are so snippy, bitter, and judgmental of other people who want to express a different opinion other that your own any you attack others so often.

[VaHawk]

My message to YOU is self-deleted!

 

and the rest is deleted by Hooboy.

[VaHawk]

>I can post on any topic on this open forum that I want to,

 

SO you are SPECIAL!! How SWEET! But that didn't stop you from hurling bricks at me, woodlawn and others questioning OUR right to post on this thread, DID IT?

 

>I am very concerned and interested on this topic, and I

>disagree with your observation that MOST here aren't too

>concerned. didn't you read all the messeges? MOST DO SEEM

>concerned and only YOU and woodlawn and maybe one or two

>others don't seem to care and are angry that other people do.

 

NO ONE is ANGRY! We are only pointing out that your "concern" is questionable given your inclination to "spread" whatever gossipy rumors you wish to spread to justify your "concern"! I, for one, QUESTION your concern, when YOU yourself, state that Devon is "what, a piece of shit?" if his "literature" was just that "literature" and NOT your PATHETIC justification to existence?

 

>Since you ARE NOT concerned why bother even posting about it

>and what concern is it of yours that I do? Take a look in the

>mirror and ask why you are so snippy, bitter, and judgmental

>of other people who want to express a different opinion other

>that your own any you attack others so often.

 

LOL!!! As YOU, YOURSELF just stated, ANYONE can POST on ANY topic, and I DON'T care what topic you wish to post on, but when you POST it DOES NOT exclude you from commentary by others, as YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL! Yeah, I'm so "snippy, bitter and judgemental" and YOU aren't? You come here, spread rumours based on personal suppositions, pretend you care, and even if you do care, HAVE the NERVE to judge others while accusing those others of judgemental attitudes!

[curious2000]

>>NO ONE is ANGRY! We are only pointing out that your "concern" is questionable given your inclination to "spread" whatever gossipy rumors you wish to spread to justify your "concern"! I, for one, QUESTION your concern, when YOU yourself, state that Devon is "what, a piece of shit?" if his "literature" was just that "literature" and NOT your PATHETIC justification to existence?

 

You really need to chill out and you always seem very angry and hijack most every thread with negative energy. I have never spread any rumors about Devon. I simply relayed information posted from his website and was addressing the original author of this post and not you. There are plenty of other's interested and genuinely concerned( dispite your continued inability to grasp this concept)and who, unlike you, have read his diary for years. This topic is for those of us who want to discuss it to contribute to it and not get attacked everytime we want to share new information we discover and want to pass along. Since you stated you didn't care about Devon or his journal or ever read it, then maybe you should stop hurling insults and snippy comments about topics you don't care about so others, including myself, don't feel the need to hurl back bricks at you.

 

Can any other viewers who are concerned about Devon back me up on this?

[Rick Munroe]

>Can any other viewers who are concerned about Devon back me up

>on this?

 

I can. There are many of us who have been and are concerned about what's been going on with Devon. The post from his brother tonight was kind of a relief, and I plan to call tomorrow.

[VaHawk]

"You really need to chill out and you always seem very angry and hijack most every thread with negative energy."

 

Well break out the PRIZE from the sweet sticky Cracker Jack box! You DESERVE it for your unquestionable psychoanalytic abilities! LOL!, is anyone with your insight more deserving of scorn and pity?

[HooBoy]

Folks, a very dear friend of mine was and may still be in trouble. To read the sissy-fit squabbling in this thread makes me want to vomit.

 

But then, why would I think anyone would care? When I was in trouble you coughed up less than $100.

 

And my troubles pale in comparison to Devon's.

 

Devon, I hope what they mean to say is they are concerned and you can look upon their bickering and speculation as amusement during your recovery.

 

Of course, we know better than to attribute a positive spin to what they mean to say because "mean" is the spirit so obvious in much of their writing.

[KY_TOP]

>

>I can. There are many of us who have been and are

>concerned about what's been going on with Devon. The post

>from his brother tonight was kind of a relief,

 

I also was relieved to see the post from his brother and wish Devon well. Hopefully everyone can also hope all turns out well for him and leave it alone now.

[flguy]

I have concern and wish only the best for Devon. I also wish those who have "no concern" for others would just ignore this thread.