Prejudice and SmallTownJohn1

[Guest Spunk]

Many escorts discriminate and not just based on ethnic background. Reading their web sites and profiles you will find a buffet of exclusions. Some others factors that I've seen are age, smokers, HIV Poz clients, crippled clients, and overweight. There are also escorts who ask for pictures of clients to see if they meet the escort's physical requirements.

 

What's funny to me is many escorts claim what they do is a legit business. That they're in the service industry. Well, if you want to give them the benefit of doubt for a moment what happened to the fundamental federal laws regarding discrimination?

[Guest DCeBOY]

well, if someone were uncomfortable with a particular situation, wouldn't you rather know about it?

sure... in a perfect world, no one would have such a problem, but this isn't a perfect world. i give john credit for being upfront about it. at least he doesn't put someone in the uncomfortable position of having to excuse himself in person.

[Guest Sports]

Prejudice and SmallTownJohn1

I was stunned and dismayed to see the AOL profile of SmallTownJohn1.

Here is a section from his profile:

 

Serious inquirers over 21 years old...ASK for the LINK to my WEBSITE *No Offense but NOT into Blk. guys*

Upfront, Honest & Nationally Recognized***Casual, Masc.Discreet***Don't Do TINA

 

It’s hard to believe that this kind of attitude still lingers on.

It's great that John describes himself as upfront, honest, nationally recognized (Did he really say nationally recognized?) and even discreet but it's not right to discriminate in your profile against Black men.

Are potential clients turned off by his prejudice? Perhaps the gentleman in Memphis who called him a skinny hustler from Nashville got it right.

How do escorts feel about an escort advertising that he excludes clients because of their race and more importantly, what is the policy of this webpage regarding escorts that discriminate?

[trilingual]

I think Smalltown John is being honest as a service to prospective clients. He didn't say he hates black people, he just doesn't want black clients. Probably he's not turned on by black men. If that's the case, why would a black client want to hire him? Chances are Smalltown John wouldn't be able to get hard, wouldn't be into the scene, the whole thing would be obvious and a generally unhappy time would be had by all.

 

When it comes to escorting, I don't think it's an equal opportunity business. It totally depends on individual likes and dislikes, including age, dick size, active/passive, body hair, you name it. Color is just another of the things that may fall in the like/dislike list. When you think about the enormous number of variables, it's almost miraculous that so many guys DO manage to "click." Also, there are plenty of clients who wouldn't hire black escorts (as demonstrated by the relative dearth of reviews of black escorts on this site, compared to the number of reviews of white escorts). Should we exclude clients/reviewers who wouldn't hire a black escort?

[mmk]

I do not think tht this means that he is prejudice or racist, he is just not into african americans. Oviously as an escort he realizes his limits when being with someone and if he is not sexually attracted to black men at all, then why should he accept one as a client. (Personally, some of my best sexual experiences have been with black men and John is not aware of what he could be missing)

 

Clients on this board always say that they want escorts to be very upfront on what they will and will not do. John is being very upfront and he is saying that he is not into black men. Now should he accept a black man as a client and risk a very bad encounter since he is not into them? I thnk that would be worse than saying upfront that he is not into black men at all.

 

Now say if this was an black escort who said they were not into white men? Would that incite the same reaction? I do know people who only date within their own race. Is that exhibiting some sort of prejudice, whether it is on a conscious or subconscious level?

 

I also know some black men who will only date white men however. Is that exhibiting racism against your own race?

 

Just a few thoughts to ponder. (Sorry for going off on a tangent)

[SmallTownJohn]

Hey there,

 

I love how someone can "stunned & dismayed" over my profile. High drama always slays me. The bottom line quite simply is that I choose who I will or will not work with. I've explained to a number of black men who've contacted me that I'd rather not take a fee from someone knowing that I wouldn't be able to perform a job to their expectations & to the best of my ability. And I'm very proud to be upfront in saying that both here & in my profile. Tons of escorts online & in person have told me they usually just click the person off(on AOL) or ignore them all together if the gentleman emailing happens to be black. The author of this thread or anyone supporting him can say whatever he chooses about me...that's the beauty and freedom of the message boards. I work hard to be the best companion I can be with every client. I appreciate all the great guys who've taken the time to review, hire or recommend me.

 

By the way, "nationally recognized" is my way of letting potential clients know that I've been reviewed & I'm serious about what I do. So many escorts I speak with are merely working for fix money or cash to tie them over till the next circuit party. That's not where my interests lie.

 

I'm finished with this topic:0)

 

 

Thanks,

John

 

http://www.SmallTownJohn1.com

[Guest chubsksesc]

OK, I would like to ad to this message string.

 

I think it is amazing that people can still be unattracted to a person just because of ethnicity. Truth be told, it is a conditioned response based on propaganda and stereotypes.

 

What's the difference between a light skinned black man and a dark Italian or Jew? Race? trust me there are many many blacks lighter than many Italians, Jews, Spaniards all of whom are white.

 

So let me get this straight for the record. He would perform services for George Burns, but not Shamar Moore???? He would perform services for a John Candy, but not Tyson Beckford??? He didn't say no Chubs, no older guys he just says no blacks.

 

Truth is, their isn't a dimes worth of difference between the races when it comes to sex. We all have 2 arms, 2 legs, one cock, one ass, Etc. We all perform exactly the same way in bed, some better than others, but we do the same stuff.

 

I think what is offensive to me most of all is As a professional, you are supposed to provide a quality service to anyone who is clean, fair and sexually compatible. This is not a date at the movies with some boy you met at a club. This is a professional service that you are providing.

 

Many intellectual racists who understand it is wrong to be racist on a philosophical level rationalize their feelings as a matter of preference. Bottom line, if you exclude an entire race, religion, creed based solely on the race without so much as looking at a PIC, your prejudice.

 

Honestly, we all have some prejudices. Some people are not attracted to chubby guys, some people are not attracted to older guys, some people are not into blondes, Etc. It is true when it comes to race, particularly with blacks it is a sore issue given the historical context of racism in this country. But we all have our "Preferences."

 

The problem comes in when you provide a service, any service and say basically. "Any and everyone except Blacks." Which since he didn't exclude Chubs, seniors, Hispanics, Asians, Etc., is basically what he said. It is discriminatory and wrong in any profession including this one. You shouldn't be an escort if you cannot provide the service to any reasonable, clean client who is fair and "Compatible" in what they want. Hey if all the clients looked like Richard Gere, I'd call Jenny Craig and get into the business to. Hehehe. Truth is, more times than not, "The Client" is not exactly the guy you would normally go on a date with if you met him in a bar.

 

Bottom line, this is a prejudice. Is he KKK or a Nazi, I am sure he isn't. But clearly he has issues with blacks that he has not resolved. I don't doubt for a minute that he is a nice guy. I just hope he will open his mind and heart to the amazing possibilities that diversity brings.

[BewareofNick]

First off, chub, let me say that, in IMHO, you are an idiot.

 

Some of what you say about John's feelings about black folks MAY be true, but to imply that he is a Klansman of a Nazi is the height of stupidity. (You are quick to qualify that you don't think he is, but the fact that you even bring it up at all shows your true feelings on teh subject) It smacks too much of political correctness and is more about you getting on your political soapbox than it is about John's character. More than likely, this is really about the bad experiences you've had with some escorts because of your weight.

 

As a part of this message board community, John has been nothing if not a good contributor. He has been an above board and enthusiastic escort from all accounts and is in no way deserving of your vitriol and bile.

 

He doesn't want to have sex with black men? Fine. So what? As another poster wrote, that's his loss and his choice.

 

Unlike other businesses, an escort's business in part is based on certain physiological responses. John is a top and if he can't get hard, then he can't be a top, now can he? He lets people know UP FRONT that this one type of man doesn't do it for him. Why? prejudice? Childhood trauma? Racist upbringing? Something else? It's really irrelevant. John is not under any obligation to take any and all clients, regardless of what you think.

 

The really question is how does a newbie poster get off passing judgement on a longtime poster here without knowing what the fuck he is talking about?

 

John, we love you. Pay no attention to this moron.

[Guest Tomcal_]

I agree with the majority of the posters. He has every right to exclude who he wants to do business with. This is much fairer to his potential clients. I have in my profile that among others, I am not intereted in dating Asian Men, they just don't get me excited(and i am also a top, therefore it wouldn't work out)but I love Latin and Black Men. I had a latin guy tell me in L.A. two nights ago, sorry I only date Black or mixed race guys. One of my friends is Asian and he knows this and understands, it's not about the person but about what makes up each of us internally that gets us "turned on". This is no different then the guy who prefers Blonds, guys who are size queens, etc. This seems more about "political correctness" B.S. then anything.

[Guest DCeBOY]

JEWS????

 

the nazis couldn't prove that jews were any darker than other germans, in spite of concerted efforts. you see, hitler set up a whole racial institute. they took various measurements of jews & "aryans" and compared them. they came up with nothing, but persisted.

doctors and racial specialists would go to elementary schools and lecture the students on the evil racial polluter--the jew. they would pick one blond haired, blue eyed student out of the class and extoll that student's pure aryan characteristics, much to the general hilarity of the class. why hilarity? the supposedly excellent example of aryan-ness was, in fact, often a jew.

my own mother (very jewish) has blond hair & blue eyes. i also have blue eyes. i can't believe you would resort to racial stereotypes to try to challenge someone whom you decry as racist.

john's preferences are perfectly valid. some escorts can't function to the best of their abilities if the client is hugely obese. at least john is upfront about it.

[Casteran]

RE: The whole thread

 

Amazing how "Nazi's" always end up in a thread about racism. Perhaps many of us "northerners" need look at our own very recent past to better understand racism, why refer to the Nazi's.

 

I am a client that is not in to black guys. What does that make me

A chubby punter from Ohio? (reference STJ being referred to as skinny hustler)

 

C

"Don't be humble, you are not that great"

[BgMstr4u]

RE: The whole thread

 

<<The problem comes in when you provide a service, any service and say basically. "Any and everyone except Blacks." >>

 

I'm pretty sure that this is NOT what he said. Certainly not in that overstated form.

 

But that aside -- when did male escorting become a publicly regulated utility? Let me know, and I will gladly bring the whole weight of OSHA and the labor laws down on them. Last time I looked, escorting was pretty much an independent business driven by the libido and desire for success of the lads who choose to encounter strangers for fun and profit.

 

Women may be able to take all comers (as it were) because all they have to do is lay back and in the immortal words of the late Queen Mary, "Think of England" (her husband, Edward VII, was a famous adulterer and fatter than I am!). But guys have an obvious and immediate "acceptance meter" in their peter, and no amount of PC pretending will change that. I say, be up front, and let people find their amusements as they are offered. What a huge disappointment it is to discover that the escort you have hired is, on the whole, unable to perform for you because you don't meet some aspect of their psychological profile. I'll tell you, I sure don't want to hire someone who doesn't like red haired, overweight, neurotic Scots over 55. Give me someone who wants and likes me as I am and wish the rest the best as they go on their way.

[Rick Munroe]

>Tons of escorts

>online & in person have told me they usually just click the

>person off(on AOL) or ignore them all together if the

>gentleman emailing happens to be black.

 

Really??...I rarely get calls from men of color...tell 'em to call me! :9

[+ Axiom2001]

Your response was eloquent, succinct, and quite objective. I wholeheartedly agree with your stance and applaud you sincerely.

Mr. SmallTownJohn has a problem that only he can rectify--if he desires!

[+ Axiom2001]

>Your response was eloquent, succinct, and quite objective. I

>wholeheartedly agree with your stance and applaud you

>sincerely.

>Mr. SmallTownJohn has a problem that only he can rectify--if

>he desires!

 

My response refers to Club....'s remarks!

[Guest chubsksesc]

WOW!!!

 

This is truly amazing. How did my statement in anyway suggest this man is a Nazi??? I stated very clearly that I didn't feel he was anything of the sort.

 

By the way, for the record, I am not a new comer to the message board. I have contributed before.

 

"Peace, justice and the American way?" I believe me expressing my views is totally consistent with the American way.

 

My issues about being chubby? Hehehe!!!! Not even. I am very happy with my size and do not have issues in that regard.

 

Does a person who exclude an entire group of people based solely on the color of their skin, the color of their hair or any other factor have a biased or prejudice? Yes. Does it make them a raving Racist lunatic?? I reiterate, absolutely not.

 

We all have prejudices, myself included. We are all flawed when it comes to that. Some are subtle, other are more flagrant. But the fact that I use the "P" word, doesn't in anyway imply this guy is some kind of monster.

 

I respect each of your rights to your personal opinions and the right to express them. I would only ask that you respect my rights as well without demeaning yourself by resorting to name calling.

[BewareofNick]

>WOW!!!

>

>This is truly amazing. How did my statement in anyway

>suggest this man is a Nazi??? I stated very clearly that I

>didn't feel he was anything of the sort.

 

You know damn well what you meant to do. There was no reason for you to bring up the word Nazi or klansman, yet you did. Of course, you quickly qualified that statement by saying that you didn't believe that John was either one, so why bring it up? For the same reason taht a lawyer brings up seomething that he KNOWS the judge will strike down, but the jury got to hear it and it leaves an impression whether it is part of the official record or not.

 

>By the way, for the record, I am not a new comer to the

>message board. I have contributed before.

 

And you are? And I would know you from???

 

>"Peace, justice and the American way?" I believe me

>expressing my views is totally consistent with the American

>way.

 

It certainly is and I will defend your right to do so to the death, but having an opinion doesn't make it a valid one.

 

>Does a person who exclude an entire group of people based

>solely on the color of their skin, the color of their hair

>or any other factor have a biased or prejudice? Yes. Does it

>make them a raving Racist lunatic?? I reiterate, absolutely

>not.

>

>We all have prejudices, myself included. We are all flawed

>when it comes to that. Some are subtle, other are more

>flagrant. But the fact that I use the "P" word, doesn't in

>anyway imply this guy is some kind of monster.

>

>I respect each of your rights to your personal opinions and

>the right to express them. I would only ask that you respect

>my rights as well without demeaning yourself by resorting to

>name calling.

 

So if your this damn reasonable and understanding, why the fuck did you bring the subject up in the first place????

[Guest Musclebearshare]

>I do not think tht this means that he is prejudice or

>racist, he is just not into african americans.

 

Of course this means he is prejudice and racist.

 

prej-u-dice n. 1.a. A adverse judgement or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts. b. A preconceived preference or idea.

 

ra-cism n. 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

 

(American Heritage Dictionary, 4th Ed.)

 

Call a spade a spade.

 

>if he is not sexually attracted to black men at all, then

>why should he accept one as a client.

 

He shouldn't, but that doesn't mean his isn't prejudiced and racist.

 

>Now say if this was an black escort who said they were not

>into white men? Would that incite the same reaction?

 

I have no idea what kind of reaction it would incite, but the hypothetical black escort would also be prejudiced and racist.

 

>I do

>know people who only date within their own race. Is that

>exhibiting some sort of prejudice, whether it is on a

>conscious or subconscious level?

 

If someone refuses even to consider dating outside his race, that's prejudice and racism. If someone has a preference for his own race, that's a preference. There's a big difference.

 

>I also know some black men who will only date white men

>however. Is that exhibiting racism against your own race?

 

They are exhibiting racism against more than just their own race if the will only date white men.

 

Michael

[mmk]

Michael,

 

I do appreciate reading intellegient commentary from people on this board, however, I still do not think that John was expressing prejudice. He is not attracted to black men therefore he does not want to risk a bad encounter. We all have certain types of people that we are not attracted to. Does that mean that we are prejudice against these people? I think not. I can appreciate your comments but I have to disagree.

[Guest chubsksesc]

>>WOW!!!

>>

>>This is truly amazing. How did my statement in anyway

>>suggest this man is a Nazi??? I stated very clearly that I

>>didn't feel he was anything of the sort.

>

>You know damn well what you meant to do. There was no

>reason for you to bring up the word Nazi or klansman, yet

>you did. Of course, you quickly qualified that statement by

>saying that you didn't believe that John was either one, so

>why bring it up? For the same reason taht a lawyer brings

>up seomething that he KNOWS the judge will strike down, but

>the jury got to hear it and it leaves an impression whether

>it is part of the official record or not.

 

Your analogy doesn't hold up. In a court, a lawyer makes an accusation or charge which a judge strikes. I did nothing of the sort. I said it to make clear that I did not feel he was that type of person. No other reason, no other agenda. I wanted to make sure he would not be perceived in that light.

>

>>By the way, for the record, I am not a new comer to the

>>message board. I have contributed before.

>

>And you are? And I would know you from???

 

I wrote comments on several topics. On the "God of God's" Kristian of Houston. On several strings in the Street hustlers section and other strings.

>

>>"Peace, justice and the American way?" I believe me

>>expressing my views is totally consistent with the American

>>way.

>

>It certainly is and I will defend your right to do so to the

>death, but having an opinion doesn't make it a valid one.

 

At last, something I am prepared to agree with. Your right, my opinion, like any other does not make it "The Gospel." It may not be right, it may not be on the mark. But I certainly can and will make it.

>

>>Does a person who exclude an entire group of people based

>>solely on the color of their skin, the color of their hair

>>or any other factor have a biased or prejudice? Yes. Does it

>>make them a raving Racist lunatic?? I reiterate, absolutely

>>not.

>>

>>We all have prejudices, myself included. We are all flawed

>>when it comes to that. Some are subtle, other are more

>>flagrant. But the fact that I use the "P" word, doesn't in

>>anyway imply this guy is some kind of monster.

>>

>>I respect each of your rights to your personal opinions and

>>the right to express them. I would only ask that you respect

>>my rights as well without demeaning yourself by resorting to

>>name calling.

>

>So if your this damn reasonable and understanding, why the

>fuck did you bring the subject up in the first place????

 

Once again, you are in error. I did not bring this up. I did not start this string. I only chimed in after several others had.

[Guest regulation]

This is an interesting issue. In the wake of the Civil Rights Era most states have "public accommodations" statutes that require businesses and organizations offering services to the public to refrain from discriminating on the basis of race and certain other characteristics. Such a statute in New Jersey was the basis for the New Jersey Supreme Court's ruling that Boy Scout troops could not exclude gay kids, a ruling that was later overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court. The question is, is an escort in the nature of a "public accomodation"? If the escort owned a barber shop, a taxicab, a restaurant or a chiropractic clinic these laws would not allow him to refuse service to black men no matter how much he might prefer not to deal with them. Should an escort adhere to the same standards?

[+ Charlie]

RE: The whole thread

 

You have your queens mixed up: Queen Mary was married to George V; Edward VII was married to Queen Alexandra. And I believe the quote--which is probably apocryphal--was originally attributed to Queen Victoria.

[+ Charlie]

The logic of this argument always seems to go back to the issue of "professionalism". I would think that a professional in any field would have an ethical obligation to recuse himself from performing a service that he feels he cannot do properly. My dermatologist could remove a mole from my face, but he referred me to a plastic surgeon who he thought would do a better job. I would not want to hire an escort who said he would perform a specific act even though he knew that he probably could not--how often have we read reviews lambasting escorts who advertised as tops but couldn't get wood? If John feels that he cannot perform with a particular type of person, then he is being professional in saying so upfront.

 

On the other hand, on a personal level it is probably fair to say that John has a racial prejudice. Whether it is a matter of morality or simply of taste is not something we can comment on, because we don't have enough information about him. When women come on to me, I tell them that I'm sorry, but I'm not interested in them sexually. I don't think that my prejudice against them indicates that I am sexist to an immoral degree: I have many close female friends, I don't denigrate them in private, or discriminate against them in any way other than refusing to have sex with them because they don't turn me on in that way. Unless we know how John feels about and behaves toward African American men in other areas of his life, it's unfair to condemn him as a racist.

[phage]

I suppose one of the benefits of engaging in an illegal enterprise (besides not paying taxes) is that you also don’t have to adhere to other regulations or standards. I, personally, feel it is reasonable to set boundaries of all types – including age, weight, race – whatever their particular thing is. Cutting someone’s hair is a far cry from having sex with them, and I want to know that it’s going to work out.

 

However, escorts have to live with the consequences of those choices. It’s a pretty common theme that client’s do not appreciate escorts who appear judgmental in any way, and I know that I admire the guys who say they can make it work with anyone. It adds to their appearance of professionalism and good nature.

 

It would be very interesting to see how this would be handled if prostitution were ever legalized in this country. Might make for some very interesting statutes. Anyone know how it is handled in countries where prostitution is legal?

[Rod Hagen]

>My issues about being chubby? Hehehe!!!! Not even. I am very

>happy with my size and do not have issues in that regard.

 

 

Dude, you're probably going to die prematurely. Or get diabetes. Like Susan Powder used to say "You can be any type of person you want, and be fat. You just can't be healthy. It's impossible." Lose weight for your own sake. You've done the "sex with skinny guys thing" (looking at your handle, it seems like you may enjoy being the bigger guy, but that's just a guess). But now it's really time to get your health under control. I've lost family and friends who, until they became fatally ill, said "I'm very happy being chubby". Yeah, well now they are chubby and dead, or chubby and diabetic using needles daily. Are they still happy? Nope.

 

Just giving you some advice you've probably heard a 100 times. Good luck.

 

This is rather a silly argument, the initial post. It's silly because Sports doesn't really care. If you look at his history, most of his posts are nothing but attempts to stir trouble and discredit established escorts. Why? Who Knows. He's never been upfront about the "Why".

 

Escorting operates outside the law. There are no discrimination clauses. We can refuse anyone, at any time. This is illegal sex we are talking about, not going to the barber. The alternative is that you rape us, or have sex with someone who may be really miserable about it. Sound fun? Just move on, there are others who are happy to help, or less honest about being "unhappy" about it.

 

Semantically: No he is not being PREJUDICE because it's reasonable to assume that someone that sexually experienced has experienced "Jungle Fever"-to flip Spike Lee's film title around-and for whatever reason, logical or not, it doesn't do anything for him, or at least not enough to convince him he should charge people for it (that almost sounds noble). Prejudices are made without the benefit of experience hence "PRE".

 

Racist? Nope. Not in any reasonable approximation of the word. Racism has all sorts of ties to Power. I see neither the Black (or fat, or white, or Republican, or handicap, or Lutheran, or smelly, or Left handed) client nor the Escort being in any real position of power (well maybe the Republican). PARTICULARLY when the client can simply visit a more accommodating escort.

 

Discrimination? You bet. We can refuse service at any time to any person for any reason, until the law tells us differently. We're not sex slaves.