Changing Escort Fees -Going a Little Too Far?

[Guest Ant415]

RE: Posted Rates

 

Changing rates in an old review is not a good idea. It is manipulation on Hoo's part. He liked the escort, and is working with him to command higher rates. The rates paid months ago do not need to be changed. New rates come all the time. But, but changing old rates supports further rate increases.

[Guest tmbg]

I had placed one review to date. It was of a young man known as Brian in Orange County, California. I was reading his reviews since I've been with him and was shocked to see that someone had changed the fee, not only that I paid but, of every review he has listed! I paid 200. for an hour of his time. Now each review has been changed to reflect 250.hr, 1000. overnight -what the fuck is up with that?

 

Obviously the only person who has access to do this is Hooboy. Ironically, Hooboy recently saw Brian and wrote a glowing review. I don't care who this site belongs to -either it is level playing or not, make up your mind Hooboy!

 

And I do have the copy of the original review that shows the original fee I paid.

 

Cheers! Ritchie

[+ Lucky]

It's a conspiracy!

Ritchie, yesterday all fees charged were changed. Didn't anyone tell you? Every year on April 1, Hooboy gives all the escorts with good reviews a raise. Especially if they gave him a rise!:-)

[marc anthony]

Ritchie: I wasn't aware that Hooboy changes the fees listed on reviews for escorts... but he does change objective facts (such as email addresses and phone numbers) whenever a subsequent client or the escort himself reports a change. And when he changes that, it changes for all the reviews ever submitted. I think this is to prevent confusion with conflicting info. It would make sense that the rates could fall into that same category of information that could be changed when verified to have been changed by the escort. Did I make any sense?:+

[Guest jeffOH]

Of course it makes sense. Changing an escort's rates, e-mail addresses or contact numbers can only HELP to avoid any confusion for a potential client.

 

JEFF

jeff4men@hotmail.com

[Guest jizzdepapi]

back to the future?

 

no!

 

best,

jizz

 

p.s.: usually your comments do

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Posted Rates

 

My very first review on here states $150 and that was for an out call. I have since raised my rates and while that first review was satisfactory and all the rest were satisfactory, the amount hasn't been changed on the first review nor would I personally want it to be. At the time, my rate was $150 for an out call. I primarily kept my price low to establish myself and even gave this client a particular break on the second model by convincing my friend (the second model - a porn star) to lower his rate to be closer to mine. This guy has since raised his rates to $300 but I plan to keep my rates at what I think is a reasonable price. I believe some escorts charge what they believe the market will pay for them and how some of these younger men in small towns like Pheonix with a number of great reviews get $400 to be a bottom is beyond my point of conception but then, to this date those proclivities far outnumbering the true tops on the planet, that is a part of our cosmology I've never understood. Jeff is, per usual, correct. Hoo Boy was nice enough to change my picture at my request and I will soon be providing him with an exclusive face shot (in fact, probably later today or tomorrow as soon as I pick the one I like best) which is only going to be for this site. I think I much too old to be a cover boy and my ego is far to fragile to be in the low numbers at the end of a monthly poll, but I prefer prospective clients to be able to see a good clear image of me, which is my intent.

 

As far as I can see, and I do not honestly believe he needs me to defend him, there is a lot of work that goes into this web site. Even with automation, this is essentially a full time task. As the site is not inundated with banner ads for bad pornography or pictures of Brittiny Spears nude, I can only gather this is a labor born of love and affection for escorts he has met and hopes to meet, for the lifestyle of the escorts, for concern for the clients and for the entertainment and pleasure of it all. In other words, put yourself in his shoes -- walk around a bit -- and then think about how long it might take you to put a similar or structurally similar web site together when you are not a major corporation with an internet only division like Fox or CNN.:-)

[chrismac]

>Of course it makes sense. Changing an escort's rates, e-mail

>addresses or contact numbers can only HELP to avoid any

>confusion for a potential client.

 

I'd agree that's true, but I also like to see how an escort's prices have progressed or not over time - gives one an idea of market conditions both locally and globally. I wouldn't agree to changing the prices in past reviews anymore than changing the guy's stats or hair situation, even if those things have changed over time. No need to re-write history.

 

Changing contact information, however, is only logical - as I can't imagine anyone wanting to waste time contacting someone with incorrect email addresses and phone numbers. Still, I though this was covered when HooBoy or the escort himself puts a note at the top of the review page stating new contact information. If clients can't figure that out, it's probably to the escort's advantage anyway - in a Darwinian fashion.

:-)

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>... but I also like to see how an

>escort's prices have progressed or not over time - gives one

>an idea of market conditions both locally and globally. I

>wouldn't agree to changing the prices in past reviews

>anymore than changing the guy's stats or hair situation,

>even if those things have changed over time. No need to

>re-write history.

>

>Changing contact information, however, is only logical - as

>I can't imagine anyone wanting to waste time contacting

>someone with incorrect email addresses and phone numbers.

 

I agree with you Chris. Contact info must be kept current but reviews are snapshots in time in more ways than one. I think changing the rate in a review ex-post facto is a BAD IDEA and I, for one, will be UNHAPPY about it if this is/becomes policy. Plus it just makes more work which is completely unnecessary.

 

Any client hiring is out to lunch if he does not confirm rates before committing. Any escort ought to be able to explain his rates and rate changes... no big deal, things change. I just like to know how and how often things are changing.

 

x(

[Guest tmbg]

For those who took my original post seriously I thank you. Everyone of Brian's fees were changed including the one on my review. Ironically, I have been in touch with Brian as recent as a few days ago and he still is charging 200. and this was stated in his review posted for today, unless it has also been changed by now

 

I think it is so wrong of Hooboy to change this critical information. He complains about how much time this site takes, how much it cost, all the problems various people (including me) cause him yet he has no problem minipulating a situation if it works to his advantage. I am very disappointed.

 

Naturally, I would never submit another review. Instead I will just wait for Hooboy to review all the escorts, adjust their fees, and other documented info -then make my decision based on my own research.

 

From posting reviews of phone/email conversations to this breech of trust I have lost all respect for this site, especially, when these insults come from the site owner.

 

Jeers to Hooboy. -Ritchie

[Guest]

I agree with the majority here. An escort has every right to adjust his rates, but the review should be accurate for that particular meeting. Actually, the escort who gets enough business to increase his rates shows signs of being a good escort. Seeing an escort's rate go up could induce a client to hire him sooner rather than later. He might think "I better get him now before his fee goes up again!" I'd never expect an escort I haven't previously hired to offer me his old rate!

[chrismac]

Well, maybe this is all a tempest in a teapot. Do we really know if "updating" of escort prices is taking place on a wholesale basis, or was this just one instance where maybe an enter key was hit inadvertantly?

 

I'll reserve judgement until I get the whole story. But it seems that the majority of people (of those who posted here, anyway - admitedly not a scientific poll) would be against the idea if it were to be implemented.

[Guest tmbg]

>Well, maybe this is all a tempest in a teapot. Do we really

>know if "updating" of escort prices is taking place on a

>wholesale basis, or was this just one instance where maybe

>an enter key was hit inadvertantly?

>

>I'll reserve judgement until I get the whole story. But it

>seems that the majority of people (of those who posted here,

>anyway - admitedly not a scientific poll) would be against

>the idea if it were to be implemented.

 

I have know idea what might or might not be happening with other escorts. I am writing of only one, as noted above, his name is Brian and you can find him under So. California "Orange County." I am not talking about a slip of a enter key here, everyone of his reviews except the one posted last night AFTER my post, reflect a change matching exactly what Hooboy wanted to change it to. It is a copy and paste job And I know because I am one of the reviewers who had his review's quoted fee changed!

 

I have screen shots and the actual review that was sent to me as confirmation. All showing that a change has taken place. This is no game this is very serious, given what we have been told by Hooboy.

 

Cheers! Ritchie

[Guest tmbg]

A quick clarification. I have no problems with escorts increasing their fees. What they want to charge is up to them.

 

I have a problem with Hooboy retro-actively changing fees stated by clients in previous reviews.

 

Cheers! Ritchie

[HooBoy]

Folks, there is no conspiracy here.

 

I am only trying to keep the information current. Some people get confused when they see different prices/phone numbers/email addressess, etc.

 

If an escort is on top of his buisness and updates me, I try to update all the appropriate fields to allay confusion among the guys who still can't understand how to clear their cache.

 

I only update the stats to keep them current.

 

This is a service. I am not complaining. I am glad to help.

 

That's all.

 

Thank you for your support.

[duke37]

HooBoy, Wow that was a temperate response. Good job!

 

Ritchie, you just know that if the old rates were still up that some yahoo would be harangueing poor Brian in So. California for his old price. As long as the escort is cool with it why are we upset?

 

Jeff

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>Ritchie, you just know that if the old rates were still up

>that some yahoo would be harangueing poor Brian in So.

>California for his old price.

 

That is probably true in some instances but that goes with raising fees. A simple explanation will do and if the prospective client doesn't like it he is free to go elsewhere. The review process should not be compromised so that an escort does not have to explain his actions.

 

>As long as the escort is cool

>with it why are we upset?

 

I pay particular attention to rates and also how they change. It along with other imformation tell me something about the escort and the escort's market. I'm not cool with it!! It is (to me) valuable information that is being erased.

 

As for HooBoy changing stats... I have a problem with that too. I have no problem with the escort providing his correct stats. THese could be added above the reviews where Hoo sometimes displays an escorts AOL profile. However, part of the benefit of a review is to provide input on the reviewer -- the raison d'etre for the 'escorts reviewed by me' list at the bottom of each review. What benefit are these review citatations if the review content has been homogenized. If someone continually overestimates dick size I'll take that into account. If a reviewer say an escorts doesn't kiss and the escort says he does -- what's up with that? Something I would want to pursue if I contacted the escort.

 

Bottom line for me... don't dick around with the information content. If some of it is confusing that may mean something worth checking out if the occasion arises.

 

GUess I'm just in a contrary mood this week. x(

[+ deej]

>Bottom line for me... don't dick around with the

>information content. If some of it is confusing that

>may mean something worth checking out if the occasion

>arises.

 

I agree about preserving the information content. But what should HooBoy do when an escort requests (as they constantly do) or demands (you've seen the e-mail as well) that their stats be updated?

 

He's screwed either way he goes. :-( If he doesn't make the change, the escort gets steamed. If he does make the change, people here get steamed.

 

It's a lose-lose situation.

[Guest JustANametoPlay]

If the escort thinks the stats are wrong then he can certainly post his own review/comment correcting that as Hoo has done time and time again.

 

If the rate is changed from what the client at the time actually paid then that information in the review is no longer accurate and is false. The fact is that if I pay 200 and later they raise the fee, I still was accurate when I say 200 and my review is now wrong.

[Guest Thunderbuns]

RE: You DO have a choice

 

For all the guys that don't like what the owner of this forum does, might I remind you that you DO have a choice.

 

You can use that other site that also reviews male hookers and has several forums for discussions, not to mention a chat room!

 

Thunderbuns

[Guest JustANametoPlay]

RE: You DO have a choice

 

Thunder choice of course exists but the right to express a disagreement with Hoo also exists. I think he does a great job and love the site but Hoo can in fact be wrong, or we can also differ in our opinions.

[Guest tmbg]

>

>Bottom line for me... don't dick around with the

>information content. If some of it is confusing that

>may mean something worth checking out if the occasion

>arises.

>

 

Once again someone expresses my view far better than what I have done. Thanks TY.

 

And a quick note to those who claim this was Brian shouting and screaming, you're wrong. Number one it is not his character and number two till he met Hooboy he did not really care all that much about this site. I know Brian fairly well as a client, I recently contacted him under a different email than mine and he quoted his rate at 200.00!!! This is minipulation of people who take the time to submit a review to this site. Remember these reviews are solicited by the owner of the site.

 

Regarding Hooboy's response he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, what was he to do, close the Message Center? My comments have been written in a even tone. Now I feel my views are well known and will not comment on this subject further.

 

Cheers! Ritchie

[duke37]

>Regarding Hooboy's response he got caught with his hand in

>the cookie jar, what was he to do, close the Message Center?

>My comments have been written in a even tone.

 

I poked around and found some possible instances of rate increases that were retroactively applied. And no none of them were reviewed by HB.

 

If you want to disagree with the policy fine. But if you want to charge someone with some kind of malicious intent common decency requires you to show more than you have. What proof do you have to charge HooBoy for conspiring to help one of his "faves" in this manner? If he does it for any escort that requests it should be an absolute answer to your charge.

 

Jeff

[chrismac]

>I agree about preserving the information content. But what

>should HooBoy do when an escort requests (as they constantly

>do) or demands (you've seen the e-mail as well) that their

>stats be updated?

>

>He's screwed either way he goes. :-( If he doesn't make the

>change, the escort gets steamed. If he does make the change,

>people here get steamed.

>

>It's a lose-lose situation.

 

I don't see it that way - if new information comes up that the escort wants to publicize, such as new contact info, just returned to escorting, new city of residence, prices, new pic, etc - this could all be covered with a paragraph at the top of the review section for that particular escort (it's already done that way). The escort can use their own words, edited by HooBoy as appropriate.

 

The escort is happy - and no one's review has been altered. Seems fairly simple and straightforward to me.

[+ deej]

<<Seems fairly simple and straightforward to me. >>

 

Read the e-mail section over the next year or so, Chris, and you'll see why NOTHING is ever "simple and straightforward" around here. :+