A disappointing 'repeat'

[ReynST]

2 hours ago, d.anders said:

I agree, you pay for the service you get, not the service you booked but did not receive. I'm an anti-piercing guy. I can barely deal with tattoos. If I had a relationship with a masseur, and the service included kissing, and then one day I show up to find a piercing in his lip, I would probably throw up. For me, that would be a very negative surprise, a total turn-off. If mutual touch was also part of the past experience, and the guy arrives with a band aid on his cock without saying anything about it before he arrives, then I would classify that as unprofessional. I would see this appointment as a pure money-grab, with no respect for the former client, whatsoever. This behavior is a good reason to move on. As others have noted, nothing terrific lasts forever, especially when it comes to this kind of service.

If you ever show up to a masseur's place and he doesn't look as you expect he should you can turn around. Before the session started he could have said, "This isn't going to work for me." and either left or renegotiated the price.

The masseur should have given notification of the cut and bandaid before arrival. That said, at any time during the session OP should have said "I'm not enjoying this. This isn't the mutual touch I wanted" or whatever, halted it and payed him partial price. You can't do that after the session has ended.

A masseur upcharging for a service either not requested or provided is scamming. Therefore, a client choosing not to pay for a service provided, whether or not it lives up to their expectations or standards is also scamming.

[marylander1940]

On 11/30/2024 at 3:39 AM, Moke said:

Who are we talking about?  I missed the link 

 

21 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

Which was a singular classy move by the op.

We don't need the usual suspects to dogpile on this guy.

I think you meant to quote him (above) instead of me

[d.anders]

19 hours ago, ReynST said:

If you ever show up to a masseur's place and he doesn't look as you expect he should you can turn around. Before the session started he could have said, "This isn't going to work for me." and either left or renegotiated the price.

While the above quote is true, there are many people who refuse to deal with acts of confrontation. In order to challenge a service provider in any way, the challenge requires social skill, sometimes an exercise in sensitivity, which could easily be interpreted as confrontational. Many, many people are simply incapable of going there. And on the other side of the coin, a customer never knows how a service provider might react when a customer confronts. Behavior could get very defensive and ugly on a dime.

I imagine many guys who fall in the category of disliking confrontation come here for research and guidance, to obviously avoid any kind of disaster. Thank goodness for this board.

[LookingAround]

Personally I agree with those who said you should have paid him the "normal" price. Most massages I get with a HE don't include me jerking the masseur off. It's kind of presumptive on your part to just expect that and assume you're entitled to it. You don't own him and can dictate what his sexual behavior will be each time. What's up with that? I suspect he was giving you a message that it was time to restrain yourself and your reducing the fee was quite unfair. You might not be the only one thinking it's time to move on. 

Edited December 2, 2024 by LookingAround

[ICTJOCK]

I probably don't have as much to say here as others,  but just say that if you didn't receive the service that you both understood,  probably wise to seek out others.    I wouldn't second guess the lip piercing or the bandaid on his cock.     For me  it would totally be about whether you received what you believed you would be paying for.    If not,   time for a new dude and service.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

On 11/28/2024 at 1:11 PM, Ali Gator said:

Last night, one of my favorite masseurs was in town, so I made an appointment with him. This was probably the fourth or fifth visit in the past two years. I always book erotic with him for $225. Being my birthday this weekend, I wanted to treat myself to a great erotic massage with a lot of interaction, which this guy always provided. 

When I showed up at his hotel room, I noticed he now had a pierced bottom lip which looked 'odd' on him (he's in his 30s, and it just threw his looks off).  Also, he had a bandaid on his penis.  I asked him what happened and he said he cut himself shaving earlier that day.  Not only did that take away from the aesthetic of his beautiful cock, but I realized it was going to be impossible to masturbate him (as I always do as part of the erotic component, while he finishes me off). I mentioned this to him, and he just laughed. Funny thing is, I wonder if he just stuck that on him for me not to touch him, or he really did 'cut himself'. 

So overall, the massage was a good therapeutic with some sensual elements and a happy ending.  When it came time to pay with Venmo, I said out loud 'You charge $170 for a sensual massage, correct ?' I took him off-guard, he said something with a laugh, and I Venmoed him $170. He didn't say anything. 

I think this was my last time with him - 2025 is around the corner, and it's time I 'cleaned house' and look for some new masseurs. 

So, what is your question?

[Frenchjuris]

Well I’m confused. All this time I thought sensual meant nudity or undies and a HE made it erotic. 

[56harrisond]

14 minutes ago, Frenchjuris said:

Well I’m confused. All this time I thought sensual meant nudity or undies and a HE made it erotic. 

To avoid getting off track in this discussion, your question is often discussed, see:

 

[marylander1940]

On 11/28/2024 at 1:11 PM, Ali Gator said:

Last night, one of my favorite masseurs was in town, so I made an appointment with him. This was probably the fourth or fifth visit in the past two years. I always book erotic with him for $225. Being my birthday this weekend, I wanted to treat myself to a great erotic massage with a lot of interaction, which this guy always provided. 

When I showed up at his hotel room, I noticed he now had a pierced bottom lip which looked 'odd' on him (he's in his 30s, and it just threw his looks off).  Also, he had a bandaid on his penis.  I asked him what happened and he said he cut himself shaving earlier that day.  Not only did that take away from the aesthetic of his beautiful cock, but I realized it was going to be impossible to masturbate him (as I always do as part of the erotic component, while he finishes me off). I mentioned this to him, and he just laughed. Funny thing is, I wonder if he just stuck that on him for me not to touch him, or he really did 'cut himself'. 

So overall, the massage was a good therapeutic with some sensual elements and a happy ending.  When it came time to pay with Venmo, I said out loud 'You charge $170 for a sensual massage, correct ?' I took him off-guard, he said something with a laugh, and I Venmoed him $170. He didn't say anything. 

I think this was my last time with him - 2025 is around the corner, and it's time I 'cleaned house' and look for some new masseurs. 

He jerked you off.... Doesn't that make it an erotic massage? I think you should have paid $225 or walk away the moment you noticed his Band-Aid

[Ali Gator]

2 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

He jerked you off.... Doesn't that make it an erotic massage? I think you should have paid $225 or walk away the moment you noticed his Band-Aid

No, going by what he has offered in the past few years for erotic,  that didn't make it an erotic massage. It made it a sensual massage, and that is what I paid for as a customer. I didn't walk away, I got a sensual massage and he got paid for a sensual massage. He didn't lose out on an appointment. 

If I go to McDonald's every week and order and pay for a Big Mac combo meal (Big Mac, fries, and Coke), and then one week they just give me a Coke and Big Mac (no fries because they ran out of them), I'm certainly not going to pay for the combo I ordered - I'm going to pay for what they gave me (Big Mac and Coke).