Hyattsville Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 A middle of the road view on tipping from a professional blog (though this is dated 2007) Confessions of a Bodyworker: To tip or not to tip, that is the question CONFESSIONSOFJACK.BLOGSPOT.COM This is actually the most common question I get asked, not during a session mind you, but on-line. Do I tip my masseur, and if so, how much?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmM Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) What about the business owner of the spa who has to shoulder all the expenses and upkeep of the facility? Doesn't he get a tip , too? (Just being facetious and playing devil's advocate) Edited February 21 by MmM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmM Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) Ok. I'm done with this topic. I need a massage now with extra fries please...😉 Edited February 21 by MmM TennisPro35, Bokomaru, Redwine56 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwine56 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 14 hours ago, GeoMitch said: Wouldn't it make sense for a massage therapist to just raise his fee and not accept tips? Do you know anyone in any field who will refuse a tip when provided? I haven't unless they work for a company and are not allowed to accept it and will actually get in trouble if they do. pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisPro35 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 10 hours ago, Bokomaru said: The assumption is that the final price includes everything that went into creating the product. I’d argue that’s not so, in this case, because a self employed masseur has to compete with the spas. This can keep the price suppressed even though he has extra expenses like self employment tax (that’s 8% right off the top, assuming he claims the income). Sometimes prices are so high that everything does seem baked in though. I agree that it can make me feel reluctant to tip in that scenario. I hope we get to hear from OP on how he will proceed. No right or wrong here! Last sentence is true and I agree. No right or wrong. Just personal opinions. Oh — truth be told (from my POV - for the LA market), it’s the legit spas who are competing with these RMasseurs for the male massage market. A RMasseur former acquaintance of mine tried the legit “mobile massage” route (Soothe&Zeel) and after a month, he went back to RMasseur. For the $$$. He legitimately knows how to massage but the $$ from being a “freelance masseur” (his spiel on grindr) outweighs being employed by burke williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoMitch Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 23 hours ago, Redwine56 said: Do you know anyone in any field who will refuse a tip when provided? I haven't unless they work for a company and are not allowed to accept it and will actually get in trouble if they do. I've been to restaurants that included the tip in the bill because there were a certain number of people in the dinner party. I kind of liked that there was no need to discuss with the rest of the table what we should leave as a tip and how we should split it up. Regarding the massage experience, I was just suggesting that it might take the tension out of what should otherwise be a relaxing experience if a masseur just advertised that his price might be a bit higher, but it is because it includes the tip. Just an idea. Redwine56 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newdad Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 On 2/20/2024 at 9:49 PM, Typical said: Ha. Exactly. When I buy bread I don’t think, gee, I should pay more because they had to build an oven. That implicit in the price. My doctor must rent an office and pay a staff. Should I tip him? No: He charges for that in his fee. And so does your masseur. But, again, it’s your money. Give as much of it away as you like. That's an awesome example! I guess you ain't tipping your doctors and nurses for their job well done in saving your life because having a good massage is more important than saving your life. pubic_assistance and Hyattsville 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmM Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 (edited) Money is the great equalizer. Clients compensate as much as they feel they need to to keep the provider answering their phones when the client calls. So trying to convince people how to tip is futile. Edited February 22 by MmM + Vegas_Millennial 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jharrison10343 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 No tip. You don't tip people who set their own prices and keep 100% of the money. GeoMitch, newdad, Hyattsville and 5 others 2 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 The US is tip-crazy. Tipping is supposed to be a thank you for services above and beyond the.standard. Unfortunately like restaurants, masseurs in Spas are underpaid so your "tip" is much of their paycheck. A private masseur will charge far more and doesn't need to give a cut to anyone else. So for very standard service no tip is required. Anything above and beyond: the provider should be compensated with 20% to 25% depending on how far beyond the service went. Or round up to escort rates ($200 -$300) if sexual serviced were added to the session. If I get a great massage and an exciting happy ending from someone who I am attracted to, I will tip generously as a way of opening the conversation about the availability of additional escort services for the next meet. Lotus-eater, newdad, MmM and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newdad Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said: who I am attracted to, So no tip in cases where you get a happy ending but you didn't find the masseur attractive? pubic_assistance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ FrankR Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 It’s late. We need pizza! + Vegas_Millennial, sider and Simon Suraci 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newdad Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 44 minutes ago, FrankR said: It’s late. We need pizza! Don't forget to tip the pizza guy! + Vegas_Millennial, TennisPro35, starman05 and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncutDad Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 On 2/19/2024 at 9:53 PM, Hyattsville said: I feel that 20% is fair for "rub and tug." Personally I tip at least 25% or more if I find a legit massage with sensual/erotic elements. I feel that if they can actually give a really good therapeutic massage they deserve the tip more than just being cute or naked. I'm completely with you on the aspect of them giving a good massage. There are few guys that are good a the massage part. So if they've given me a solid massage with sensual or erotic aspects, those guys should be tipped. I use a traveling massage guy that keeps his rate at 140.00. This guy travels to my city (and others). He has gas, hotel and food expenses. He's charging less than what the average to below average massage men are charging that live in my area and he delivers one of the best massages ever. So yes, when someone is excellent and reasonably priced, you should tip them. Even small amounts show an appreciation. Bluefin and Simon Suraci 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d.anders Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 5 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: If I get a great massage and an exciting happy ending from someone who I am attracted to There's a bounty on beauty. I always knew it. 5 hours ago, pubic_assistance said: The US is tip-crazy. Certainly everyone outside the U.S. agrees. In some countries, we are hated for it. Now that I am retired, I can barely afford the service. When I turned 60, I started to ask self-employed masseurs if tipping was required. If they said yes, then I would not book and move on. I'm not a HE customer, and I make that clear, but I do want the guy to be naked. I don't touch him (unless he asks), so no extra work required. If he has a great reputation for skill, then I often let go of the naked preference. Luckily, most massage guys enjoy working with no clothes. As for looks, my meter is generous. Model types and pumped-muscle guys generally intimidate me. Back in the 80's, I once had a private conversation with a hairdresser who worked at Vidal Sassoon on 5th Ave. He told me he just got a raise, from 20% to 25%. I was stunned. The guy had been working there for years. Most people don't freely talk about their paycheck. I think a lot of people would be shocked to learn what service people actually make when working for a corporation or an independent employer. pubic_assistance and Lohengrin1979 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubic_assistance Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 6 hours ago, newdad said: So no tip in cases where you get a happy ending but you didn't find the masseur attractive? 🤔 Obviously I don't WANT a happy ending if I don't find the guy to he attractive ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hey_Jay Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/20/2024 at 5:26 PM, TennisPro35 said: Just my 2 cents. Or what I do now. I’ve read and contributed to various “tipping” threads here in the forums throughout the 2-3 years since I’ve joined. I usually tip earlier when this hobby was new to me, but lately, it’s just the advertised/quoted rate now. I’m located in Los Angeles, if that matters. The $120/60min has ballooned (I started late 2021) to $150 (2022/2023) and now $160/$180 and even $200 for your basic 60mins. At a spa… a masseur that does not advertise on RMasseur of Masseurfinder (or any other gay massage site) - I would tip them almost to the level of an independent. Since they get only a % of what I actually paid at the lobby. At a spa … but he advertises in M4M websites and all the independent sensual/erotic masseurs (real masseurs and the rub-and-tuggers) —- their published and quoted rates only. I have a good paying job but $180/$200 an hour … i am not a lawyer or a doctor or whatever job out there that pays this much per hour. Rent and supplies, yes it’s the masseur’s overhead but for me (for me, my opinion)… the high price now is maybe due to inflation and it might be because I have paid $180-$200 for their $150 price tag then, which makes them energized to now basically pricing themselves at $200 Since they already get it and most are paying. long post made short - I only pay the independents their advertised/quoted price. Well said!!! the rate we’re paying nowadays is went up like 30% 150+ is the new 120 I agree I tip on mostly spa and other establishments but only a few times on masseurs on RM and MF. I still resent a 200 rate for a 60 minute massage lol since I’m more of the actually massage and if something happens after it’s a bonus! (It takes 2 to tango) Honestly, my frequency of getting massages has gone down 50% not sure if I’m the only one. I can afford it still it’s just more of the value for what you are actually paying for. Coz that’s a nice f*cking dinner for two at a nice LA restaurant for 200 so I need to get my moneys worth 😊 LAJakers and TennisPro35 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyattsville Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Then I guess the question to put out there is if you only tip for above and beyond the expected service, what do you expect the basic service to be? Do you think that everyone who advertises on Masseurfinder should at bare minimum offer a free happy ending? Do you think that everyone who advertises on RentMasseur should at bare minimum offer a free happy ending and mutual touch? How do you determine what is/should be included? If it is matter of your own finances, then surely there should be less expensive masseurs who you could choose and then tip accordingly? Genuinely curious. Bluefin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MmM Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 2 minutes ago, Hyattsville said: Then I guess the question to put out there is if you only tip for above and beyond the expected service, what do you expect the basic service to be? Do you think that everyone who advertises on Masseurfinder should at bare minimum offer a free happy ending? Do you think that everyone who advertises on RentMasseur should at bare minimum offer a free happy ending and mutual touch? How do you determine what is/should be included? If it is matter of your own finances, then surely there should be less expensive masseurs who you could choose and then tip accordingly? Genuinely curious. If you are paying usual and customary for a massage, then you should be content if it's just a good massage. If you're paying more, then you ask "why?" and "what for?" TennisPro35 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennisPro35 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 8 hours ago, Hyattsville said: Then I guess the question to put out there is if you only tip for above and beyond the expected service, what do you expect the basic service to be? Do you think that everyone who advertises on Masseurfinder should at bare minimum offer a free happy ending? Do you think that everyone who advertises on RentMasseur should at bare minimum offer a free happy ending and mutual touch? How do you determine what is/should be included? If it is matter of your own finances, then surely there should be less expensive masseurs who you could choose and then tip accordingly? Genuinely curious. Regarding the bare minimum question - yes. Why advertise on RentMasseur at all. silverrain, MmM, Lohengrin1979 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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