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Man arrested in Rio suspected of killing European tourist

Ilia Kakhaberidze, 31, was found dead in a hotel room in the Lapa neighborhood (image below)

05/31/2023 at 10:15 am | Updated 05/31/2023 at 10:34 am

The Military Police of Rio de Janeiro arrested a 42-year-old man suspected of killing a tourist from Georgia, in a hotel in Lapa, in the center of the capital.

According to the PM, Wallace de Oliveira was arrested on Tuesday (30), in the act, with the help of witnesses. With the suspect, the police seized documents and cards of the victim.

Wallace de Oliveira has nine passages through the police.

Ilia Kakhaberidze, 31, was found dead in a hotel room in the Lapa neighborhood. His body was tied up and had signs of violence.

According to witnesses, the tourist arrived at the hotel accompanied by the suspect. 

Four hours later, Wallace left the scene. Employees suspected the attitude, went to the room and found Ilia dead.

His body was taken to the Legal Medical Institute (IML) in Rio and the case is being investigated by the Homicide Police Station of the Capital as robbery (robbery followed by death).

Ilia Kakhaberidze was a ship engineering officer and worked on board.

To CNN , the Honorary Consul of Georgia in São Paulo, Carmen Ruette, informed that the Consulate is aware of what happened to the citizen of the European country and that the Embassy of Georgia in Brasilia is acting in the case.

For its part, the Embassy of Georgia in Brazil informed CNN that it is aware of what happened and has already made contact with the victim's relatives.
Georgia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said it was doing what it could to help transport the body to its home country.

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Such a horrible outcome.  The portion of the article you posted doesn’t say this, so how do you know the assailant was a garoto?  Are you using that term to mean any male sex worker or street walker, or do you mean that he was one of the sex workers from the gay saunas?

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4 hours ago, Strafe13 said:

Such a horrible outcome.  The portion of the article you posted doesn’t say this, so how do you know the assailant was a garoto?  Are you using that term to mean any male sex worker or street walker, or do you mean that he was one of the sex workers from the gay saunas?

I know that in the recent past, the assailant Wallace de Oliveira worked as both a gogo boy and a sauna boy in Rio. I am not familiar with how the two met.

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On 6/2/2023 at 8:04 AM, Strafe13 said:

the assailant was a garoto?

In the media reports the assailant /murderer age 41 apparently confessed all. He indicated that they met in a club, and the victim age 31 and his eventual murderer arranged a ‘programa’, loosely translates to show but in common parlance a sexual transaction for compensation in kind, conventionally money. At the area lodgings as described in the media. The fee levied upon the Georgian national turned out to be a number of bank/credit cards, identification documentation, and life cut short.

I presume it was not a garoto sauna where the introduction occurred. That would likely have prompted another security video that would have been, similarly, eventually included in the news broadcasts. And the victim seemed to be in stereotypical gay bar party attire uncommon among garoto sauna attendees. That said, there is apparently a lack of brain matter, in terms of criminal strategy and impulse control, between the ears of a substantial number of trade providers in all settings. 

I don’t have all of the details other than the specific establishment (not entered here) but the word on the street is that about 2 weeks ago a quite elderly frail client was fairly seriously assaulted by an MMA-level octagon thug of a garoto in full view of several witnesses within the premises at one of the well known garoto saunas in Brazil, in the common area. They had not been together in a suite. I presume an occurrence of that nature is very unusual. The culprit was likely banned or ‘timed out’ but one rendition of the story is that he appeared in Skokka escort ads shortly thereafter. Gotta make rent and whey. 

Buyer beware; in fact, shopper be warned.

Because sauna garotos are, I believe, free agents I think they are required to release their ID to the establishment but criminal offence history is neither a vetting procedure nor would it be easy to sort out the tipping point justifying being rejected. I assume, though, an association in terms of risk because history repeats itself.

Circling back to the original topic, the recent Lapa murderer had domestic violence and multiple thefts on his police record. 

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1 hour ago, Lucky said:

who knows what really happened when there are no other witnesses. The deceased could have overdosed or the sex just got too kinky The arrested would have been pretty stupid to kill the guy knowing he was on video at check-in.

A robust defense, Perry, surely mitigating the outcome for Wallace acing a life sentence of small walls behind bars.

Natural to be curious.

If you read the Brazilian media you will have no need to second-guess what transpired, rapidly accessible and rendered in simple clear format. 

Who knows what really happened? The  homicide team does, fully apprised of all the details. They have the best possible cooperating corroborating witness, the killer. This suggests an even greater cautionary tale. Beyond maleficent premeditation, one’s life may be snuffed out merely as the result of transient violent impulsivity, panic, what have you.

What is centrally important to most readers here on the forum is that hooking up is subject to danger. The degree of intelligent crime strategy of a murderer, how much stupid is as stupid does, is moot after the fact. The red flag is usually raised at the juncture of no return. 

BTW, anybody catch S2 Yellowjackets finale?

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2 hours ago, Lucky said:

Granted, the guy was arrested for a killing, but who knows what really happened when there are no other witnesses. The deceased could have overdosed or the sex just got too kinky The arrested would have been pretty stupid to kill the guy knowing he was on video at check-in.

Right, considering human nature’s masterful impulse control, so many extenuating factors to whittle back cage time. Except for one thing. The witness has come out and is all in. 

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4 hours ago, Lucky said:

Granted, the guy was arrested for a killing, but who knows what really happened when there are no other witnesses. The deceased could have overdosed or the sex just got too kinky The arrested would have been pretty stupid to kill the guy knowing he was on video at check-in.

Well, apparently there are plenty of stupid and desperate killers getting caught on camera these days.  As intimated in the title of this thread, In Rio, just this past January, another garoto murdered a beloved sauna employee at a love motel in Lapa — and his entrance and exit was caught on hotel cameras as well.

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19 minutes ago, solacesoul said:

Well, apparently there are plenty of stupid and desperate killers getting caught on camera these days.  As intimated in the title of this thread, In Rio, just this past January, another garoto murdered a beloved sauna employee at a love motel in Lapa — and his entrance and exit was caught on hotel cameras as well.

But @Luckyis right. We do not know what happened. We are making assumptions and creating a story that fits our favorite narrative.

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18 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

We are making assumptions and creating a story that fits our favorite narrative.

correct.  
the true narrative tho is Rio is dangerous.  This last tragedy involved a foreign tourist.  The previous one was a garoto murdering a Carioca - who knew what to look for & even he wasn’t safe.  The “Boa Noite Cinderella” home robberies in November 2022 was a gang of garotos robbing & drugging Cariocas.  
The point is that if Cariocas are getting murdered, drugged & robbed - then foreign tourists are even easier/more vulnerable targets.

I’ve been to Rio many times & love the city.  I wouldn’t go now tho.  When I get the Brasil itch, I’ll go to São Paulo - totally different ballgame.. 

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59 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

But @Luckyis right. We do not know what happened. We are making assumptions and creating a story that fits our favorite narrative.

There’s a workaround and hypothesizing needn’t abound. The sole witness to the introduction, murder, and everything spanning in between, has given a comprehensive blow by blow, with media privy to details. It’s not extremely new news. 

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1 hour ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

correct.  
the true narrative tho is Rio is dangerous.  This last tragedy involved a foreign tourist.  The previous one was a garoto murdering a Carioca - who knew what to look for & even he wasn’t safe.  The “Boa Noite Cinderella” home robberies in November 2022 was a gang of garotos robbing & drugging Cariocas.  
The point is that if Cariocas are getting murdered, drugged & robbed - then foreign tourists are even easier/more vulnerable targets.

I’ve been to Rio many times & love the city.  I wouldn’t go now tho.  When I get the Brasil itch, I’ll go to São Paulo - totally different ballgame.. 

Huh? NCIS tourism?

This is where assumptions to fit a narrative and vice versa is exemplified, dare I add? Hardball, softball, how the ratio plays out … I don’t see the objectivity. What I do grasp is confirmation bias. At an individual level it is the experiential that most dictates perspective, the setting where circumstances run most afoul of plans. I think the lesson here is that consistent vigilance overrides risk relativism.

That said, most of life is rapid surface decision-making and usually turns out fine. Favouring one city over the other obviates the hassle of a 2-choice dilemma. In many ways linear thinking is the fastest and best route for action. However, for today’s purposes the city choice basically amounts to a coin toss for me.

Externally sourced testimonials are generally poorly predictive. Yet the majority of commentary seems to highlight a tension among competing outlooks.

To my way of thinking in the thread’s examples any overall city differential is far less relevant than the contrast between a young (savvier?) local and a young foreign national both prematurely six feet under.

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The question of the meaning of a murder is answered. It’s simple, rhetorical. There is really no question there. It’s easy to keep it tight and brief at that level. 

It is newsworthy and informative. Worthwhile to know, and the OP did a good thing. It made the news and is relatable at a human interest level and as a theme in which similar unfortunate events occurred. Typically calls for a ritual of acknowledgement and I think that was honoured upfront.

Otherwise, what is the list of questions about what appears to be a thread that opened with a media article about a murder? Where is this seminar headed? I don’t pretend to have answers but I’m wondering about whether to hover or take a seat. 

Lastly, where might be a comprehensive list of seminars with some degree of organizational structure, less of a free-for-all that’s attempting to find a direction.

I have historically only been connected to one Facebook group topic and it was useful to have a hand zeroing in on where to spend time and energy. 

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37 minutes ago, Lucky said:

It is not a media article about a murder. It's about a killing. That doesn't necessarily mean murder and we are wondering what we will learn if more facts come out.

Ok I see. I misread the heading. The facts are actually not ambiguous and are extant in media. If you were to transcend unnecessary hypotheses, what are your questions and where do you want this to go? 

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17 hours ago, José Soplanucas said:

But @Luckyis right. We do not know what happened. We are making assumptions and creating a story that fits our favorite narrative.

This is what we DO know:

Two men checked into the same room of a love hotel (hourly motels, used mostly for sexual affairs / hookups and possibly drug use) in the Lapa district of Rio, an area popular for adult partying but also considered dangerous and sketchy.

One of those men was a European tourist.

The other man was a Carioca with a recent-past (not current) history of working as both a sauna garoto.

A few weeks ago, a Chilean tourist was found murdered on the streets of Lapa, the victim of robbery and the “boa noite cinderela” scopamine knockout drug. His assailants were women believed to have met the victim while partying in Lapa.

In January, a beloved gay sauna worker (a bartender, not a garoto) was found murdered in a Lapa hotel. The assailant, caught on camera but not yet apprehended, is widely believed to be a garoto or hustler that the victim met on the street or on online (it has been ruled out that the assailant worked at a sauna).

It doesn’t take much to connect the dots. The two didn’t check in to a love hotel in Lapa as part of a deep-sea diving expedition. 

Those who reside in Rio / Brazil or stay here for extended periods are not the ones saying, “let’s wait until we get the full story”. You are not likely to get a full story. Those who reside in Rio / Brazil or stay here for extended periods are the first ones to tell you / warn you about the many dangers lurking in this beautiful city / country. One of the biggest dangers is meeting strange men or women for sex hookups in uncontrolled environments.

I’m not about telling grown men what to do. We are all supposed to be adults here. But you should be aware that Rio and other parts of Brazil can be very dangerous, and certain activities require a heightened level of vigilance / caution. Going to love hotels in Rio for sex (or for recreational drugs) with a newly met or an unknown companion is now on that list (if it wasn’t already).
 

 

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10 hours ago, José Soplanucas said:

Are not all cities dangerous? 

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The men were arraigned after their arrests in connection to a string of attacks at the bars last year.

 

I think you’re being a bit facetious here. We aren’t discussing New York City, but even if we were, all cities aren’t equal. Although crime is on the rise in NYC, it is still objectively far less dangerous per-capita than Rio de Janeiro, or than any major city in Brazil.

Statistically, there’s simply no comparison between Rio and New York City when it comes to the crime levels and safety. Objectively, Rio has double the crime and is less safe.

In spite of its many issues, I absolutely love Rio and all of Brazil, but please… don’t blow smoke up anyone’s behind about it. 

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Brazil&city1=Rio+de+Janeiro&country2=United+States&city2=New+York%2C+NY

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14 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

This last tragedy involved a foreign tourist.  The previous one was a garoto murdering a Carioca - who knew what to look for & even he wasn’t safe.  The “Boa Noite Cinderella” home robberies in November 2022 was a gang of garotos robbing & drugging Cariocas.  
The point is that if Cariocas are getting murdered, drugged & robbed - then foreign tourists are even easier/more vulnerable targets.

Don’t forget about the Chilean tourist that was drugged (boa noite Cinderela), robbed and murdered in Lapa… in May.

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17 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

I’ve been to Rio many times & love the city.  I wouldn’t go now tho.  When I get the Brasil itch, I’ll go to São Paulo - totally different ballgame..

If we had to make a comparative analysis where most USAmericans might understand, São Paulo is more on par with New York City crime stats, while Rio would be more of a Chicago — more violent crimes and gang-related activity uncontrolled by police.

That being said, in Rio, one is far less likely to be the victim of a violent crime in one of the Zona Sul neighborhoods (Ipanema, Leblon, Copacabana, Lagoa, Gávea, Botafogo, Flamengo, Jardim Botânico, etc.), but this doesn’t take into account the many non-violent petty crimes in the tourist-rich areas. These crimes are common in São Paulo as well.

Every person who resides in or stays longterm in one of the major cities in Brazil has been a victim of at least a petty theft. Those who have not been are the part of the lucky few. We are talking all ages, races, shapes and sizes. Especially in Rio (but São Paulo is certainly not immune), it’s not a matter of if — it’s when. 

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@solacesoul, I am not saying Rio is safe or safer than NYC. In general, we know that crime in LATAM is higher than in the US and Europe. Of course, if you live in Rio or are visiting, you must understand what is happening and take preventive actions. I have never had an incident in Brazil, not because there is no crime, but because I am careful. I am not advocating for carelessness. 

I am concerned about this tribal automatic reflex of pointing fingers to vindicate yourself. The level of violence in US culture right now is astonishing. Criminal activities and everyday social interactions are tainted with violence and hate. It is not only American, but I suffer primarily from Americans because of my circumstances. 

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16 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

correct.  
the true narrative tho is Rio is dangerous.  This last tragedy involved a foreign tourist.  The previous one was a garoto murdering a Carioca - who knew what to look for & even he wasn’t safe.  The “Boa Noite Cinderella” home robberies in November 2022 was a gang of garotos robbing & drugging Cariocas.  
The point is that if Cariocas are getting murdered, drugged & robbed - then foreign tourists are even easier/more vulnerable targets.

I’ve been to Rio many times & love the city.  I wouldn’t go now tho.  When I get the Brasil itch, I’ll go to São Paulo - totally different ballgame.. 

Now that we have just had some intelligent fleshing out of the thread themes, from the OP, another layer of consideration may qualify as interesting in relation to the city comparator point. In relation to the NCIS Rio-SP opinion … 

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41 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

@solacesoul, I am not saying Rio is safe or safer than NYC. In general, we know that crime in LATAM is higher than in the US and Europe. Of course, if you live in Rio or are visiting, you must understand what is happening and take preventive actions. I have never had an incident in Brazil, not because there is no crime, but because I am careful. I am not advocating for carelessness. 

I am concerned about this tribal automatic reflex of pointing fingers to vindicate yourself. The level of violence in US culture right now is astonishing. Criminal activities and everyday social interactions are tainted with violence and hate. It is not only American, but I suffer primarily from Americans because of my circumstances. 

Naturally not the one to pronounce time of death, but I would recommend truncating this component of the discussion. It was beginning to manifest coherence with some TA direction. I think the topic peaked a few posts ago.

I wouldn’t have leapt to macro level societal oppression, heaped upon the relatively affluenza-afflicted, when reading the news about this particular murder. Sex workers are more inducted by the privileged than groomed through the middle school vocational module of civics and career planning. As such, I would have thought somewhat about inequity as a factor in street rent dynamics; that came to mind, along with the aspect of individual judgement in the context of synaptic firing between grey matter and penile matter.

In any case, I’m flipping again thru the course catalogue. 

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5 hours ago, solacesoul said:

Statistically, there’s simply no comparison between Rio and New York City

the thing that makes Rio the outlier in these crime/danger discussions comparisons is the unique geography/demographics


I can’t think of another major global tourist destination that is concentrated in a very small area (Leme - Leblon) & is completely surrounded by favelas/slums in ultra close proximity.  The Rio favelas are filled with desperate people and competing gangs managing the drug trade.  The tourists in Zona Sul are easy targets and there is crime against tourists pretty much nonstop - most of it non-violent and likely vastly underreported. 

Sao Paulo does not have the same set of variables - not even remotely close.  Nor do any of the other cities mentioned. Comparing a tourist visit to Rio vs Chicago/Detroit doesn’t hold water as those cities don’t have a global tourist draw centered in a very small area.  Cape Town or Puerta Vallarta might be a better comparisons, but still lack the extremes of Rio geography/demographics.  A comparison of crime in entire cities or regions can be made - but that would overlook Rios unique geography that leads to more crime against tourists.

I love Rio - but soft-pedaling the tourist crime/danger reality isn’t helpful.  Nor is hysteria - just know what you’re getting into & be prepared if you choose to visit.  Also can’t think of another place I’ve visited where I see a robbery at least once a day. 

 

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