Overnight rates and Daily rates

[axebahia]

Apart from the generic answer that everything should be negotiated in advance between client and escort, I am interested in folks' thoughts about whether a distinction is typically, or should be, drawn between overnight rates and daily rates. For instance if an escort says that his overnight rate is $1000, is it fair to assume that that means a 24 hour period? Why or why not?

[dick_nyc]

I would think overnight would cover 12 hours from say 8 PM to 8AM or thereabouts. The daily rate would cover 24 and would have to include doing something outside of bed, unless you get really lucky and catch the escort in a time when he feels like a Viagra wunderkind.

[VaHawk]

From my experience, an overnight rate just covers around a 12 hour or so get together, from early evening to the next morning. Anything longer than that is usually a higher daily rate for 24 hour period. Then there is the entire weekend rate which is even more.

[Guest jeffOH]

For instance if an escort says that his

>overnight rate is $1000, is it fair to assume that that means

>a 24 hour period?

 

It's not a fair assumption. Overnight means overnight not a whole day and that varies from escort to escort. My overnight rate depends upon whether or not the client would like to have dinner first and then back to his place for the night. Mine usually covers anywhere from 10 hours to 15 hours depending upon the client and the circumstances.

 

If you want a day rate, ask for that. Don't assume anything and you'll avoid any misunderstandings.

 

JEFF jeff4hire@aol.com

[TightBodyTouch]

I would have suggested the "generic" answer, qualifying that every escort should coordinate the specifics of his services and how long a client can expect for an overnight or daily rate. Many people get lost in the semantics however, assuming their own definition of "daily" or "overnight" so clarification is in order so that both parties are sure of tghemselves and what's expected.

 

I tend to think that "overnight" should include anywhere from 8 to 12 hours and lasting through to the next morning. Any activities during the evening and throughout the night are part of the overnight and fall into that rate. Regardless of whether you remain at home, in a hotel, or out on the town- whatever happens to fill that time together is accounted for in this agreed upon length of time.

 

In my opinion, a "daily" rate should constitue a full 24 hour period. A daily rate should be employed when an escort travels out of town or is expected to stay with someone for an extended time. If a client requests that an escort stay with him for an event, occasion, or private encounter where the escort spend most of a day traveling and it makes him inaccessable to other for one or several days then it seems a daily rate is appropriate.

 

I don't think any client or escort can or should rely upon any common understanding of rates and services provided. Since every service provided is so very personal and the rates for such subjective then you're always better to simply ask rather than assume any rate, length of time, or preferences of a client/escort encounter. It would be nice to refer to some set guidelines but I'm afraid that there aren't any, nor should there be, in this matter.

[dick_nyc]

I like the way you answered that better than the way I did. I think you are absolutely right.

 

I hate to admit somebody did something better than I did!! Damn!!!!!

[axebahia]

>It's not a fair assumption. Overnight means overnight not a

>whole day and that varies from escort to escort.

 

Ok, assuming I agree with you, would an overnight rate out of city of $1000 seem reasonable, or does that seem more like a daily rate? Assume further 3 "intimate encounters" lasting at most 1 hour each, and assuming also the escort had down time by himself for a whole afternoon. To be specific, assume the escort arrives just fore midnight, leaves 6:00p.m. next day, and has most of the afternoon to himself. Is that a reasonable hourly or daily rate?

[axebahia]

>I would have suggested the "generic" answer, qualifying that

>every escort should coordinate the specifics of his services

>and how long a client can expect for an overnight or daily

>rate.

 

I don't think the generic answer is very interesting because I don't think that negotiating that level of precision over the phone or in writing in email is (always?) legally wise for either party. I know others disagree, and I respect that, but I am interested in whether apart from that it is possible to shed some light here.

 

From my experience, importing from one city to another is usually done on the basis of a 24 hour clock, not a 12 hour clock. I am interested in the views of others on this point.

[+ Lucky]

I think this is one of the most useless threads I have ever seen. It simply does not matter what the general understanding is. It is peculiar to the particular escort.

 

(Better get my raincoat on!)

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

"And We're Walking"

 

>I think this is one of the most useless threads I have ever

>seen.

>

 

Yes, but just think, you got another opportunity to add to your post count.

 

My tangent or yours?

[+ Lucky]

RE: "And We're Walking"

 

And now yet another opportunity! I am so lucky!

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Who Said Luck Had Anything To Do With It

 

>And now yet another opportunity! I am so lucky!

 

You on line. I am on line.

 

I may not have gotten a perfect math score on my SAT but I can tell that two plus two equals three....

[+ deej]

>I don't think the generic answer is very interesting

 

Then why ask?

 

(And you did ask.)

 

If you don't want a generic answer, don't ask a generic question.

 

<shrug>

[AaronScottDC]

>Ok, assuming I agree with you, would an overnight rate out of

>city of $1000 seem reasonable, or does that seem more like a

>daily rate? Assume further 3 "intimate encounters" lasting at

>most 1 hour each, and assuming also the escort had down time

>by himself for a whole afternoon. To be specific, assume the

>escort arrives just fore midnight, leaves 6:00p.m. next day,

>and has most of the afternoon to himself. Is that a

>reasonable hourly or daily rate?

 

 

If you were to hire me expecting "3 intimate encounters" from midnight one night to 6 PM the next evening, I would certainly require more than $1000. Especially if you are talking about traveling "out of city". The extra free time in the afternoon doesn't really factor in much as far as I am concerned. So, there ya have my humble opinion on the topic

 

Aaron Scott DC

http://www.erados.com/AaronScottDC

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/aaronscottdc.html

[axebahia]

>>I don't think the generic answer is very interesting

>

>Then why ask?

>

>(And you did ask.)

 

Because I was curious whether anyone could come up with anything better than the generic answer. I don't agree that it is advisable to negotiate this level of detail in advance because you never know when a sting operation culd be in progress. (Although, I understand those who think otherwise. Ditto for the versatile or bottoming escort question.)

 

In all of my prior experiences with importing escorts over several years now and across several continents, I operated on a 24 hour clock. So when I was recently presented with an overnight rate, I assumed it was the same as a daily rate. In fact, in this particular case, I would not have imported had I understood that an overnight rate meant literally an overnight rate so I was genuinely curious about the experience of escorts and other clients in this regard. (In fact, if I had to pay for a 12 hour period, I would almost always choose noon to midnight rather than midnight to noon from the point of view of efficacy!) Before trashing the escort in question, I wanted to guage the view of others on this point.

 

Once again, I suspect that those who hire for companionship may have a different view from those who hire for intimacy. I can't really say that I was particularly interested in the non-intimate moments - nice as they were - so I would not knowingly have agreed to pay for all of that extra "down" time.

[+ glutes]

>

>In all of my prior experiences with importing escorts over

>several years now and across several continents, I operated on

>a 24 hour clock.

 

Well well, were you bringing them to Planet Anthenee?? Do they have a 24 hour clock, GMT??

 

A(d)rian/Arian/Aryan, I thought you were a lawyer? (Devil is in the details with any 'contract')

[Guest jeffOH]

I don't agree that

>it is advisable to negotiate this level of detail in advance

>because you never know when a sting operation culd be in

>progress.

 

You're talking about "how much time" for "how much money" here, not specific sexual acts. Asking an escort how many hours their overnight rate covers makes sense as this will differ from escort to escort. You could get yourself in trouble by requesting 3 sex romps or whatever in a certain time period for particular amount of $$$$, IF you're unfortunate enough to get caught up in a sting. I have had clients do this. I guess some clients just like to plan things out more than others.

 

In

>fact, in this particular case, I would not have imported had I

>understood that an overnight rate meant literally an overnight

>rate.

 

It's hard to understand something when you don't ask the question.

 

(In fact, if I had

>to pay for a 12 hour period, I would almost always choose noon

>to midnight rather than midnight to noon from the point of

>view of efficacy!)

 

So, be specific as to the amount of time and what time period you'd like and let the escort quote you a price.

 

>Once again, I suspect that those who hire for companionship

>may have a different view from those who hire for intimacy. I

>can't really say that I was particularly interested in the

>non-intimate moments - nice as they were - so I would not

>knowingly have agreed to pay for all of that extra "down"

>time.

 

Finally, we're getting somewhere. You want more sex, than sleep. An overnight for me is sex before bed, sex in the morning( after at least 6 hours of sleep!). If you wanted to hire me Noon-Midnight, I'd assume that you wanted more sex and I'd charge accordingly.

 

You're right. Most guys who've hired me for an overnight wanted the intimacy also(or "down time"). What you're talking about is more work than a regular overnight, so I think you should expect to pay more.

 

JEFF jeff4men@hotmail.com

[TightBodyTouch]

>In all of my prior experiences with importing escorts over

>several years now and across several continents, I operated on

>a 24 hour clock. So when I was recently presented with an

>overnight rate, I assumed it was the same as a daily rate. In

>fact, in this particular case, I would not have imported had I

>understood that an overnight rate meant literally an overnight

>rate so I was genuinely curious about the experience of

>escorts ...

 

 

It was, in fact, YOU who also gave your account of surprise and dissatisfaction when you offered to provide an escort's airfare and then were presented with his bill for the fee expected for the time spent with you. This account appeared in the FRIENDS string and you admitted to the problems that can arrise from miscommunication.

 

Here again you make the mistake of assuming an overnight rate is the same as a daily rate for the man you hired. Clearly you feel a clarification would have resulted in making the desicion not to hire him. And in the previous experience under FRIENDS you say that future appointments would not occur between you and the escort as a result of your misunderstanding there. When will you learn that a healthy expression of your desires and limitations is pertinant in the relationship you wish to keep between you and your escorts?

 

I believe that some people find a particular enjoyment in chaos. I also have the feeling that some people adhere to behavoir, be it conscious or subconscious, that increases the potential for problems and facilitates the confusion in what we all want to gain from one another. I am completely respectful that many of my clients require discretion and I also understand that many people concern themselves with the inherent legal troubles that can come from blatant phone or email conversation where sexual details might be spoken. But I have also found that those who truly wish to contact me and disclose their need and expectation of me always find a way. If, and when, someone skirts around the details of our encounter and leaves me to wonder how to serve them or how to contact them I almost always choose not to take their appointment. I just can't allow myself to knowingly wander into meeting them with the promise of "we'll see where it goes" or "we can talk about that later". I don't want the potential upset from a man when I can't or won't deliver what he wants. I also don't wish to disappoint him by risking confusion in my fees and time allowances.

 

Whether the question is for how long we regard a time period as "overnight" or when a friendly encounter with an escort becomes a paid meeting you continue to remind all of us how crucial it is to effectively communicate the needs and requirements of both escort and client. Your example proves how terribly expensive it can be in failing to convey our interest and expectations to each other. Some men are novice clients where others are veterans to the trade, each bringing their own habits to the table, but let's not set a place for complacency because surely disappointment and regret might show up to the party and I'm sure we'd all spend the evening other ways.

[axebahia]

>It was, in fact, YOU who also gave your account of surprise

>and dissatisfaction when you offered to provide an escort's

>airfare and then were presented with his bill for the fee

>expected for the time spent with you. This account appeared in

>the FRIENDS string and you admitted to the problems that can

>arrise from miscommunication.

 

That's true, but I think that was a very different scenario. In that case as I explained there, the issue had to do with an escort who I had over several months of a very close regular commercial relationship told that I would not pay for companionship, only for intimacy, and who initiated contact with me, and agreed to come visit for travel expenses. The question there was whether I was entitled to believe that the weekend was off the clock for that reason, and whether the commercial relationship had changed to a friendship. I still don't think that any further clarification was needed there, and I doubt very much that the escort in question could honestly say that he believed I was going to pay for the weekend, even alowing for plausible deniability. Nonetheless, I still paid.

 

>Here again you make the mistake of assuming an overnight rate

>is the same as a daily rate for the man you hired.

 

Well in all my years of hiring, particularly importing, I have never experienced a distinction between a daily rate and an over-night rate. Accordingly, up until now there was never a reason to seek to clarify the point. Yes, based on this experience, and the helpful comments here, I will add a new question to my list under the circumstances.

[axebahia]

>Finally, we're getting somewhere. You want more sex, than

>sleep. An overnight for me is sex before bed, sex in the

>morning( after at least 6 hours of sleep!). If you wanted to

>hire me Noon-Midnight, I'd assume that you wanted more sex and

>I'd charge accordingly.

 

Actually, in the past, with a daily rate, I have had sex several times each day - night, morning, afternoon and maybe early evening too. I have never negotiated all of that up front, and sincerely hope that I don't have to start doing so now. Prior to now, I thought that a daily rate and an overnight rate where the same. I stand corrected, but if negotiating the frequency of intimacy is now also required then these market changes may drive me out of the market. This is an area where some degree of professional or industry standardization may not be a bad idea.

[axebahia]

>Well well, were you bringing them to Planet Anthenee?? Do they

>have a 24 hour clock, GMT??

 

Very good point, and a personal pet peeve of mine, but experienced travellers usually know how to get close to the 24 hour clock in hotels. Where relevant I request an early check-in,m and where necessary I request a late check-out at no extra price.

[Guest JT]

>>I don't think the generic answer is very interesting

>

>Then why ask?

>

>(And you did ask.)

>

>If you don't want a generic answer, don't ask a generic

>question.

>

><shrug>

 

Amen!

 

deej, you still haven't lost your touch. You're still such a touchy-feeling sensitive guy! No wonder so many boys on this board love you. }(

 

 

JT

[Guest JT]

>>Well in all my years of hiring, particularly importing,

 

Just curious, do you do any exporting as well?

 

 

JT}(

[axebahia]

>In my opinion, a "daily" rate should constitue a full 24 hour

>period. A daily rate should be employed when an escort travels

>out of town or is expected to stay with someone for an

>extended time. If a client requests that an escort stay with

>him for an event, occasion, or private encounter where the

>escort spend most of a day traveling and it makes him

>inaccessable to other for one or several days then it seems a

>daily rate is appropriate.

 

As I re-read this post, I agree with this statement, and it seems to me I have been needlesly defensive on the point.

 

Let me try one more time at the chronology. I contacted an escort I had seen in another city for a1 hour session in the past. I asked him if he would travel to my city for the weekend. He replied that he would and that he "usually does overnights for $1000", plus travel expenses. I assumed (make an ass out of you and me) that the weekend would therefore be $2000.00. I replied that that was fine, and that he should get a cheap ticket. I said if it was cheaper to stay Saturday night in order to do so, if not he should return on Saturday so he would spend just one night. When he arrived midnight on Friday (much later than I expected) he informed me that he got a cheap ticket and the return date was early on Sunday. In my mind, I was not happy with that, but I was still willing to pay for 2 overnights (which as I aid before I understood to be two days).

 

Having had the afternoon off on Saturday, he returned to ask if we could have one more intimate encounter and if he could then leave that night to avoid having to get up too early. He said he would not charge me for the travel since he was leaving early, and since in any case the ticket was so cheap. In the end, I gave him one night fee plus a tip, and then all hell broke loose with him insisting on getting two nights or else he would cause an "embarassment" in the hotel. In the end, I paid an additional amount that represented 81% of the contracted 2 day (or 2 overnight) fee, for what to me was only 41% of the time he had agreed to spend.

 

Does the additional data change your perspective? It seems to me that it if a daily rate and an overnight rate don't mean the same thing, then escorts should not be quoting overnight rates for what they know are going to be multiple night engagements. It is just not practical to do so, unless the escort also says my forst 12 hour overnight rate will be at X, my 12 hour day rate will be Y, then the client could add X and Y, multiply by the number of nights and days and then know the feee. That is awfully cumbersome, and it has never been the practice in my experience. In similar situations, escorts have always given me a daily rate that I multiply by two.

[VaHawk]

Well, excuse me and possibly others here! For someone who boasts about his earnings and travels and whatever, you sure come across as a "cheap fucker" don't you???? What the hell universe do you inhabit? And you have the audacity to berate trilingual on tipping in foreign countries!!!!????

 

Really this stupid post, upon the heels of a post about paying an escort to "visit your august person" for no more than paying his airfare, and you get yourself all in a "huff" because he billed you?

Your self-inflated ego, not to mention your sanctimonious self-righteousnous, knows no bounds does it?????? :-(

 

If this post gets deleted as a personal attack upon your sanctimoniousness, I DON'T CARE!