Overnight rates and Daily rates

[axebahia]

>you sure

>come across as a "cheap fucker" don't you????

 

I don't mind paying for services I contract for. I am not in the habit of paying for things that I don't contract for. I was happy with the original deal, and even to pay notwithstanding the decreased time because of his late arrival and earlier than expected departure. What I was not expecting to be billed for was 100% for 41% of the time agreed to. If that makes me cheap in your eyes, fine.

[axebahia]

>Really this stupid post, upon the heels of a post about paying

>an escort to "visit your august person" for no more than

>paying his airfare, and you get yourself all in a "huff"

>because he billed you?

 

No, again I am in a huff because I was billed for time on a basis that I told the escort in question that I would not pay for because there were other cheaper local options available. Are you in the habit of paying for things you don't order, on terms that you did not agree to?

[DaninWA]

>Actually, in the past, with a daily rate, I have had sex

>several times each day - night, morning, afternoon and maybe

>early evening too.

 

Finally, someone who can keep up with me. I want to be your boyfriend.

 

Dan

[axebahia]

>>>Well in all my years of hiring, particularly importing,

>

>Just curious, do you do any exporting as well?

 

Only for my very best friends, and my worst enemies!

[guyinsf]

Make this your mantra: Clear communication, clear communication.

 

Just read what you wrote. You call escort X and ask him to come to your town for the weekend. According to what you wrote, he responded by stating what his usual overnight rate is. If this is what actually happened, then you needed to take the next step: (a) either not hire the guy because he doesn't answer questions directly or (b) ask him, "What would your rate be from Friday evening until Sunday afternoon, with you having alone time on Saturday afternoon?" or whatever you had in mind. As someone else said, you don't need to worry about a "sting" operation if you are just asking about the length of an appointment.

 

Given that you only recently posted about another problematic encounter with an escort caused by radically different understandings as to the terms of your "agreement" with him, I suggest that looking at your contributions to these "misunderstandings" is important.

 

>>In my opinion, a "daily" rate should constitue a full 24

>hour

>>period. A daily rate should be employed when an escort

>travels

>>out of town or is expected to stay with someone for an

>>extended time. If a client requests that an escort stay with

>>him for an event, occasion, or private encounter where the

>>escort spend most of a day traveling and it makes him

>>inaccessable to other for one or several days then it seems

>a

>>daily rate is appropriate.

>

>As I re-read this post, I agree with this statement, and it

>seems to me I have been needlesly defensive on the point.

>

>Let me try one more time at the chronology. I contacted an

>escort I had seen in another city for a1 hour session in the

>past. I asked him if he would travel to my city for the

>weekend. He replied that he would and that he "usually does

>overnights for $1000", plus travel expenses. I assumed (make

>an ass out of you and me) that the weekend would therefore be

>$2000.00. I replied that that was fine, and that he should get

>a cheap ticket. I said if it was cheaper to stay Saturday

>night in order to do so, if not he should return on Saturday

>so he would spend just one night. When he arrived midnight on

>Friday (much later than I expected) he informed me that he got

>a cheap ticket and the return date was early on Sunday. In my

>mind, I was not happy with that, but I was still willing to

>pay for 2 overnights (which as I aid before I understood to be

>two days).

>

>Having had the afternoon off on Saturday, he returned to ask

>if we could have one more intimate encounter and if he could

>then leave that night to avoid having to get up too early. He

>said he would not charge me for the travel since he was

>leaving early, and since in any case the ticket was so cheap.

>In the end, I gave him one night fee plus a tip, and then all

>hell broke loose with him insisting on getting two nights or

>else he would cause an "embarassment" in the hotel. In the

>end, I paid an additional amount that represented 81% of the

>contracted 2 day (or 2 overnight) fee, for what to me was only

>41% of the time he had agreed to spend.

>

>Does the additional data change your perspective? It seems

>to me that it if a daily rate and an overnight rate don't mean

>the same thing, then escorts should not be quoting overnight

>rates for what they know are going to be multiple night

>engagements. It is just not practical to do so, unless the

>escort also says my forst 12 hour overnight rate will be at X,

>my 12 hour day rate will be Y, then the client could add X and

>Y, multiply by the number of nights and days and then know the

>feee. That is awfully cumbersome, and it has never been the

>practice in my experience. In similar situations, escorts

>have always given me a daily rate that I multiply by two.

>

>

[axebahia]

>Just read what you wrote. You call escort X and ask him to

>come to your town for the weekend. According to what you

>wrote, he responded by stating what his usual overnight rate

>is. If this is what actually happened, then you needed to

>take the next step: (a) either not hire the guy because he

>doesn't answer questions directly or (b) ask him, "What would

>your rate be from Friday evening until Sunday afternoon, with

>you having alone time on Saturday afternoon?" or whatever you

>had in mind.

 

Did you read my post to the end? Why should I have to ask that if an escort is being honest? How on earth can an overnight rate mean anything other than a daily rate in the context of a multiple night engagement for the reasons I gave above? As for communication, I agree that is important, but there is nothing in my prior experience to have suggested that an overnight rate in this context could mean something other than a daily rate.

 

And for the umpteenth time, the post on the Freinds thread was entirely different because I had over 6 months told that escort that I would not hire him for companionship or for other than hourly appointments. Why would I need to clrify anything in that context when I, responding to his contacting me, asked him whether he "would come if I paid for the ticket?"

 

Obviously, in light of both instances, I will be more careful, but in both cases, I think the escorts were clearly not acting honestly. Plausible deniability aside, their positions still seem very unreasonable to me. It's a real shame because I don't have many negative experiences to report with my escorts.

[dick_nyc]

In your posting you say overnight rate should be a daily rate. You are paying for time. Overnight does not equal a day; ergo the payment which is for time should not be equal.

 

Everyone is saying the same thing to you. COMMUNICATE!! This is not an area where there is an escort's glossary written by a lawyer as to what is an overnight and what is a day. Just like Bill Clinton you need to read a good dictionary. Overnight and day do not have the same definition.

[VaHawk]

I really don't understand why you have this much trouble with your escort encounters, since according to you, you have been doing this for several years, including flying escorts in from other locations. I would think by now, as others have stated, that you would have learned to communicate with the escort so there is no misunderstandings in any areas.

 

Reading not only this post, but your others about your encounters, I find myself wondering some things:

 

You're willing to spend 2,000 for this escort, but are insisting

that he get the cheapest flight available.

 

You don't pay for companionship, just sex. Well pardon me, but

I believe you're paying for the escort's time, regardless of what

activities you engage in. If you want to leave him on his own

while you pursue other activities, that doesn't mean you don't

owe him for that time period, as that is your choice, not his.

Seems to me that you have no respect for the escort as a person

and just expect him to be some kind of "sex machine" that should

just be quiet and stand in the corner until you're ready to use

his body again, and again and again. Sounds like you feel

you should pay per sexual encounter rather than per session,

and if you expect 4 sexual encounters per weekend and only

have 2 that you feel you should only pay half the fee. If

that's what you want, then you should agree to this upfront

with the escort.

 

If you are only interested in a sexual encounter, then why

are you hiring for weekend sessions? I don't know why

any escort would want to travel to meet a client and

then just be totally ignored like an inanimate object

until you're ready for the next sexual escapade. If

you want to treat someone that way, then you should be

pay over and above his normal rates.

 

I feel true sympathy for any escort who agrees to see you for more than a couple hour session. The fact that this escort not only decided to not charge you travelling expenses, and in all likelihood paid additional charges to change his flight, rather than spend another night with you, TRULY SPEAKS VOLUMES about the pleasure of your company.

 

:-(

[axebahia]

>I really don't understand why you have this much trouble with

>your escort encounters, since according to you, you have been

>doing this for several years, including flying escorts in from

>other locations.

 

Actually, I don't have much trouble. I only have one negative experience to report and that was this one. I think most escorts have a pretty good time with me, hence the willingness of the "friend/escort" to fly to meet me, the former escort becoming an uncompensated "friend" and even this escort coming on short notice to see me again. I genuinely have never had a escort quote me an overnight fee for a multiple night out of city engagement before. In the past the fee was always a daily fee in the range of what this escort quoted me.

 

> You don't pay for companionship, just sex. Well pardon me,

>but

> I believe you're paying for the escort's time, regardless of

>what

> activities you engage in. If you want to leave him on his

>own

> while you pursue other activities, that doesn't mean you

>don't

> owe him for that time period, as that is your choice, not

>his.

 

Yes, and he would have been paid for his afternoon alone in his daily rate. That's not the issue. The issue is whether if you contract for 48 hours, you should have to pay for 100% for 41% of the time.

 

> Seems to me that you have no respect for the escort as a

>person

> and just expect him to be some kind of "sex machine" that

>should

> just be quiet and stand in the corner until you're ready to

>use

> his body again, and again and again.

 

No, I don't agree with that. Under similar circumstances, I always spend time with the escort. We shared breakfast, lunch and I showed him the tourist areas. I had work to do though, and I thought that he might want some time alone to shop or explore.

 

>Sounds like you feel

> you should pay per sexual encounter rather than per

>session,

 

Not at all, I thought I had paid a daily rate which in the past covered several intimate encounters.

 

> If you are only interested in a sexual encounter, then why

> are you hiring for weekend sessions?

 

Because perhaps what I was looking for was not available where I am currently. Also, I was weighing going to his city or another for the weekend, and ordering several dfferent escorts by the hour. Part of the reason, I am so pissed off about this is that his (unworkable?) understanding of overnight rate been clear to me I would have exported myself rather than importing him.

 

>The fact that this escort

>not only decided to not charge you travelling expenses, and in

>all likelihood paid additional charges to change his flight,

>rather than spend another night with you, TRULY SPEAKS VOLUMES

>about the pleasure of your company.

 

I don't think so. We actually were having a great time before the pay issue erupted out of nowhere at the end. The issue about leaving early had to do with the fact that the original time of departure would have required getting up very early so he asked if e could leave earlier. I had no problem with that because I had work today too, but that does not mean I was prepared to pay for the time lost. It also cost him nothing to change the ticket.