Haggling

[Guest CollegeToronto]

Ok I am by no means a long time escort. I'm a full time student and have been escorting on the side for a little over a month. My question is this, while the vast majority of my clients have been really nice and decent guys I've recently encountered several guys who insist on trying to negotiate my rate if they only want to say suck me off or jerk me off. Have any of you encounter this kind of haggling. My gut response is to tell them nicely that the rate is the rate I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the subject.

 

Thanks

 

[Guest Kenny021]

Your reply, very politely, that you have a set rate which is non negotiable is exactly the way to go. As a client, I would not be offended by that reply. On the other hand, when I contact an escort and request pertinent info (including his rates) if he replies with a rate that I find too high, I will reply (politely) that the "charge" is more than I am willing to pay. I DO NOT request to negotiate with him. If he replies that he is willing to negotiate, then I will reply with the rate I AM WILLING TO PAY. I personally hate negotiating and almost NEVER do it. Usually, my declining the initial rate ends the corresponding.

[Rick Munroe]

>Ok I am by no means a long time escort.

 

Does this mean you only specialize in quickies? But seriously folks, Kenny021's post above is, as they say on Match Game '75, the definitive answer.

[+ Lucky]

"Does this mean you only specialize in quickies?"

 

See Rick, those quick one-liners are fun!

[LovesYng]

:* Yo Rick & Lucky, you guys are a ball. I love reading your comments, it always gives me a good laugh. Keep up the good work guys:+

[+ Lucky]

Gee thanks, LY. Rick and I make a good team. You shoulda seen us in bed, all giggles!

Now though I am worried that I will have to monitor the board more closely lest he beats me to all the one-liners!

[Rick Munroe]

>Rick and I make a good team.

 

Yeah, I just realized our names work well together, too: Lucky & Ricky. We should have our own sitcom where Ricky's a popular escort and Lucky's always trying to get into the act (or bed). Who's our Fred & Ethel?

 

>You shoulda seen

>us in bed, all giggles!

 

Yeah, that Margaret Cho CD was a great choice for fuck music.

 

>Now though I am worried that I will have to monitor the board

>more closely lest he beats me to all the one-liners!

 

Don't worry...I'll let you beat me to some...so I can have the last word.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Definitive

 

>But seriously folks, Kenny021's post above is, as they say on

>Match Game '75, the definitive answer.

 

I hate to contradict a national monument. I would agree with Mr. Munroe that, in your particular instance, Kenny021 did give an excellent answer. In the context of other escorts, who may, for example, offer sensual massage, be oral tops, etc., there may be different prices depending on the clients requests and needs.

 

In time, you will determine whether your current posture works best for you, as far as how busy you wish to or would not like to be, and so forth.

 

Good luck.

 

http://www.gaydar.co.uk/francodisantis

[Guest RetrdEscrt]

RE: Definitive

 

The DEFINITIVE Escort rule whether you are new to the business,do it part time or make it your life's work is NEVER and i mean NEVER haggle over prices.

 

If you have an hourly rate it could be $100p/h or $500p/h stick to that rate ,it doesn't matter if the prospective client wants a 'quickie' or a full hour of you plugging him thats the rate they will have to pay for your services,End of Story.

 

If they are too cheap to pay then thats their problem (and loss)if you are new and maybe are charging too much then a rethink maybe be needed ,maybe it's just me but if you start haggling you may as well be down on the corner hustling.

[Bilbo]

RE: Definitive

 

I was just writing an answer to this, hit the wrong button and it disappeared. I hope I'm not making a near duplicate.

 

Perhaps the fact that, with the exception of Franco, I live closer geographically and perhaps culturally to Mexico here in Houston than any of the other anserers do colors my answer, but I say that if you want to negotiate, by all means do so. If it bothers you, don't.

 

There are many, many threads in the archives which would indicate that clients who would otherwise never think about negotiating do so when the fee goes over $200 for an hour. Likewise, if you charge less than $100 you must never negotiate or you will look cheap.

 

You must make sure to make a very hard point (pun intended) that when you do negotiate, the lower fee is only available that day for that one person, etc. Otherwise, the client will feel that he can always get you at that price whenever he wishes. That is a definite nono as you will get stuck with ugly scenes down the road when you appear to raise your fee, or when you do raise your fees generally and this guy wants the same one.

 

Your own comfort level must be your guide. If you are actually happy with a fee less than what you normally charge, then the old adage won't kick in. "The moment you settle for less than you desire, you will receive less than you settle for."

[Guest Bitchboy]

I pay retail for everything. Saves a lot of aggravation. I was with someone recently on the lower east side here in NYC. He haggled for a better price on linens. I got such a headache I had to wait outside.:o

[btmstudnyc]

Bitchboy,

 

Your'e my kinda guy.

 

Actually...whenever anyone haggles over price....I haggle over time. Either Ill give more time...or less time....depending on the price.

 

AND HUEY...don't ever call me. Unless you want a massage....cause thats all I can give you for the price wars you started.

 

JIM

 

:+

 

I guess a few of my common answers are....THIS AIN'T CANAL STREET...or...If you were an Escort, what would you charge....and really think about it.

 

or finally

You'd pay that much for a JETS Playoff game TICKET....sports are sports

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Price Wars

 

Retired Escort, you gave the same answer Rick and Kenny021 did. I think the problem here is "haggling" - and the whole fee for time situation.

 

If the fee is for time, then of course, there is nothing to negotiate.

 

If the fee is for an hour long sensual massage, then it is not the same as the fee for an hour long "companionship" session (a misnomer, as has been pointed out elsewhere) or the fee is a for an hour long strictly legit massage.

 

I do agree that he should set his own internal rate and stick by it. Otherwise, we create situations such as Jim and Huey have raised, which is bad in that some clients will not "luck" out as others and which will just create areas of concerns where none need exist.

[Guest jwraustin]

I have always felt that you charge ALL the clients the same rate.

 

A long time ago, when I was still learning the ropes, I would give one client a rate and another one a different rate. A couple of my clients got together and compared rates, and it was hard to explain why one was charged more than the other. It wasnt good for business.

 

There was a time when I was so full of myself, that my prices were really high. Then, the economy got slow and I had to lower my prices to keep my clients. It taught me a good lesson in my pricing. Also, with the higher prices, I noticed that I was turning away a lot of clients that I really enjoyed being with. Now, I keep my rates at the market.

 

I guess that my really hot button is clients who try to haggle with me over the price. I have an e mail today from a client wanting a "friendly" rate. My response was polite but firm. I have my rate, and that's that. I dont negotiate the price.

 

Like a good escort mentor of mine once told me: "Honey, you're not K-mart, and you dont get marked down." I always remember that.

 

Jon Dean

[alanalt]

Haggling and another Pet Peeve

 

I wholeheartedly agree about not haggling. However, because I'm usually looking at longer sessions, I will often ask if he has a 'special' rate for 3 hours or 5 hours. Enough escorts seem to have these 'extended time rates' that I don't feel this qualifies as haggling...

 

But what I really, really hate x( is the response I've gotten a few times which is essentially 'what are you prepared to pay?' I mean if the escort doesn't have an extended fee schedule, that's fine; he can either make one up or tell me he only charges by the hour. But to expect me to come with a price for him, especially when I've never been with him before, GRRRRRRR x( (okay, I feel much better having got that out of my system )

 

The one 'haggling' instance I did get into was an escort, whom I had seen once before at an hourly rate, had an 'overnight' rate of $1000 Cdn (that's $600-650 US, if anyone cares). Anyway, when he arrived, he tried to tell me that his overnight rate for 'fetish/kink' was $1500!! (I have a foot fetish). I told him that I didn't have $1500 on me and that we could do a 1 hour session at his hourly rate of $200...

 

He took the $1000 for an overnight like a good boy...}(

 

(It's not always the client who starts the 'haggle')

 

Alan

[+ deej]

> Who's our Fred & Ethel?

 

HooBoy and Daddy. :+

[Guest fukamarine]

RE: Haggling and another Pet Peeve

 

>But what I really, really hate x( is the response I've

>gotten a few times which is essentially 'what are you prepared

>to pay?' I mean if the escort doesn't have an extended fee

>schedule, that's fine; he can either make one up or tell me he

>only charges by the hour. But to expect me to come with a

>price for him, especially when I've never been with him

>before, GRRRRRRR x( (okay, I feel much better having got

>that out of my system.

 

It's all in the way it is presented. To be asked "what are you prepared to pay" would probably piss me off too. But I would not object if he said "What figure would you be more comfortable with?" Basically it's the same question - just a little more diplomatic in it's delivery!

 

 

fukamarine

[VaHawk]

RE: Haggling and another Pet Peeve

 

Please FAM, don't take this as a personal attack, as it is not meant that way! But really, "what are you prepared to pay" is way, way different than "which do you prefer". I can't imagine an escort saying "would you prefer to pay me $200 or $100"? DUH, anyone want to place a bet on the client's response? If you say $200, can I interest you in buying some Pacific Ocean front property I own in Arizona? :-)

 

I personally am like other respondents on this thread, I don't haggle, ever! I find my time much more valuable to me than money, which is why I am probably the world's worst new car shopper! State the fee, and if I don't want to pay that much, I'll tell you that! If you make a counter offer because you want my business and I find it agreeable I will say so! If I don't find the reduced fee agreable either, then don't offer yet another reduction, as that indicates to me that you are indeed just a "piece of merchandise for sale" that I'm not going to want to know. :-(

[tedbear]

RE: Haggling and another Pet Peeve

 

A couple of years ago I had to make a sudden trip to New York to help out a client. I arrived around 10 and checked into the Essex House. I had picked up Unzipped somewhere along the line and picked out a masseur I thought I'd like to see. I beeped him and when he returned the call, he gave a price that I just couldn't handle without going to a cash machine. (I can't remember if there isn't one in the Essex House or if it wasn't working, but I was just too tired to go out looking for one). Anyway, I told him I didn't have enough cash and thanked him.

 

He then offered to do the massage for an amount that I could cover so I told him to come over to the Essex House. When he showed up, he charmingly grumbled that I could afford to stay in that marble palace, but couldn't afford to pay him his regular fee. I was mortified that he thought that. I quickly explained that the hotel was on my expense account where he was not and then explained my lack of cash.

 

He seemed to understand and have me a fairly nice massage and we spent some time discussing the charms of Chicago where he was considering relocating to. He also let me swallow his cock while he was leaning over me massaging my tits!

 

I would personally never haggle, but if I find that the unadvertised rate is too much, I will let the masseur/escort know that and thank him. At that point, if he chooses to offer a lower rate, it's up to him. I would never ask for it.

[Guest fukamarine]

RE: Haggling and another Pet Peeve

 

>Please FAM, don't take this as a personal attack, as it is

>not meant that way! But really, "what are you prepared to

>pay" is way, way different than "which do you prefer". I

>can't imagine an escort saying "would you prefer to pay me

>$200 or $100"? DUH, anyone want to place a bet on the

>client's response? If you say $200, can I interest you in

>buying some Pacific Ocean front property I own in Arizona?

>:-)

 

Sorry but I don't know where you're coming from. You must have misread my post. I never said "which do you prefer" which would imply that the escort gave two prices and asked for a response.

 

My post stated that I thought a more tactfull response from the escort rather that "what are you prepared to pay" would have been "what amount would you feel comfortable with?"

 

This is quite different that the way you read my words.

 

fukamarine

[ad rian]

RE: Haggling and another Pet Peeve

 

>I wholeheartedly agree about not haggling. However, because

>I'm usually looking at longer sessions, I will often ask if he

>has a 'special' rate for 3 hours or 5 hours. Enough escorts

>seem to have these 'extended time rates' that I don't feel

>this qualifies as haggling...

 

I agree. I would add too that I don't consider negotiating a "special" rate with an agency escort to do private appointments outside of the agency contract as haggling especially when given the margins, the escort will in almost always come out ahead.

[jackhammer91406]

RE: Haggling and another Pet Peeve

 

FAM,

I agree with you. Your way is better and probably would have resolved the situation. Good observation.

[MiamiLooker]

>

>Ok I am by no means a long time escort. I'm a full time

>student and have been escorting on the side for a little over

>a month. My question is this, while the vast majority of my

>clients have been really nice and decent guys I've recently

>encountered several guys who insist on trying to negotiate my

>rate if they only want to say suck me off or jerk me off. Have

>any of you encounter this kind of haggling. My gut response is

>to tell them nicely that the rate is the rate I was wondering

>if anyone had any thoughts on the subject.

>

>Thanks

>

>

>

Once you've responded "that the rate is the rate" it only becomes haggling if you choose to respond further, as it takes two to haggle. Keep in mind that it's not uncommon among your competition that they may offer different rates for incall vs outcall, day vs night, weekday vs weekend, in-season vs out-of-season, as well as the-rent-is-due rates and behind-on-my-car-payment rates.

[alanalt]

RE: Haggling and another Pet Peeve

 

Actually, the question was "what was your budget for a __ hour session". But I think you're missing my point, it's not how the question was worded that peeves me, it's that the escort is throwing the ball into my court and I don't want it!!

 

If he only has an hourly rate, then he should say so. It just bugs me when an escort, one who've never been with, expects ME to put a valuation on his 'services' for a multi-hour session...

 

Alan

[alanalt]

>Once you've responded "that the rate is the rate" it only

>becomes haggling if you choose to respond further, as it takes

>two to haggle. Keep in mind that it's not uncommon among your

>competition that they may offer different rates for incall vs

>outcall, day vs night, weekday vs weekend, in-season vs

>out-of-season, as well as the-rent-is-due rates and

>behind-on-my-car-payment rates.

 

I think you're forgetting the 'Frequent Flyer Rate' in an otherwise exhaustive series...

 

;-)

 

Alan