is dinner on the clock?

[Guest njguy62]

I have a tentative appointment in a couple of weeks with a well reviewed escort in So CA. He asked to confirm with him approximately 1 week prior to the appointment, which I plan to do. The expectation is for a 2 hour appointment. As it turns out, the appointment is on the day that I arrive (from the east coast), and I arrive in the late afternoon and have the entire evening free. I thought I would offer to take him out for dinner (I would pay of course), but not sure if he would also expect to be paid for this time in addition to the 2 hour appointment. Would an escort take offense at such a request - sort of like asking for free time?

 

Dan

[Losgatan]

NJguy,

 

If this is your first appointment with the escort in question, I think you should be prepared to pay for the time spent at dinner -- particularly if dinner preceeds the other activities of the evening and you sort of insist that he be there.

 

Many escorts have an "evening rate" that covers situations like this. Don't be afraid to ask.

 

If you were a returning client and the dinner was entirely optional, then I wouldn't hesitate to invite him "off the clock." I also wouldn't be offended if he declined.

[Guest ncm2169]

Dan, I had the exact same desire and posed the question to 2 diff escorts, both in LA recently :-) . The first said directly and in a VERY non-offensive way that he charged for time, whatever the activity :9 . The second negotiated an evening rate with me . My lesson? Ask and you may receive, but if you never ask, you'll never receive }> .

 

P.S. Feel free to priavte message me if I can provide any more details.

[Guest jeffOH]

Since this will be the first time you've seen this escort and escorts conduct business differently, I think it would be best to ask him in advance how he prefers to handle the situation.

 

JEFF

jeff4men@aol.com

[Guest fukamarine]

>I thought I would offer to take

>him out for dinner (I would pay of course), but not sure if

>he would also expect to be paid for this time in addition to

>the 2 hour appointment. Would an escort take offense at

>such a request - sort of like asking for free time?

 

My thoughts are that the escort has to have dinner anyway - so if the client was will to spring for it and there was a guarantee of 2 hours paid frolicking afterwards, then it would be good PR for the escort to graciously accept and not charge for his time spent at the dinner table.

 

If the escort did not see it this way, I'd probably still book him but I would view him in a less favourable light and look upon him as only out for the bucks.

 

fukamarine

[Flower]

>***** then it

>would be good PR for the escort to graciously accept and not

>charge for his time spent at the dinner table.

>If the escort did not see it this way, I'd probably still

>book him but I would view him in a less favourable light and

>look upon him as only out for the bucks.

>fukamarine

 

WELL -- there is another view. First, with what the escort charges an hour, the cost of the meal isn't much of an incentive for what could lead well into an hour or more dinner plus getting there and returning.

 

Second, these guys do have lives aside from escorting. Some will spend the time studying, others doing whatever they do with their free time.

 

I'm in a profession where I have clients and I charge by the hour in most cases. I also have clients that want to take me out to dinner or lunch and usually I decline, since I have a tight schedule and if nothing else, value quiet time when I can get it.

 

If the work that I do for my clients is top quality, I would hate to think that they would not refer me business or recommend me as a professional to others simply because I declined a free dinner or lunch, which I do all the time it seems. Likewise, I don't feel that it is at all fair for an escort's client to give him a less favorable review because he declined dinner--even if it was free and even if he has to eat some time.

 

It sure doesn't hurt to ask and many would probably accept, but if they decline, respect that and DON'T DEGRADE THEIR SERVICE FOR IT on a review. Fair is fair.

 

Flower :*

[Guest Ant415]

I work in the conventional business world. If there was a work cotnact that I knew would not result in gaining business, I would not want to spend time at a dinner.

[+ Lucky]

Mr. Ant, surely there is an exception to that rule. If your business contact was a hot Asian man in an Armani suit with a dazzling smile, wouldn't you overlook the fact that no, um, further business was going to develop and just enjoy his company?

[Guest Not2Kinky4me]

I read all the replies (and no one is wrong) and I have to agree, dinner on the cock depends on each particular situation, the escorts schedule, your history and repoire with the escort, etc.

 

Just ask him what his policy is. It might very well be moot anyway if he has a social or business engorgement later that evening anyway.:+

[Guest fukamarine]

> WELL -- there is another view.

>First, with what the escort charges an hour, the cost of the

>meal isn't much of an incentive for what could lead well

>into an hour or more dinner plus getting there and

>returning.

 

My dear Flower: You seem to be ignoring my point about it being good PR. It would be very good PR in my opinion. And as he is travelling to the client's hotel for the "encounter" they would probably have dinner in the hotel's dining room, so additional travel time may not be an issue.

 

>Second, these guys do have lives aside from escorting. Some

>will spend the time studying, others doing whatever they do

>with their free time.

 

True, but they still have to have dinner, don't they? Who knows, they might even enjoy a fancy dinner with a bottle of wine etc. We're not talking Wendy's here!

 

>Likewise, I don't feel that it is at all fair for an

>escort's client to give him a less favorable review because

>he declined dinner.

 

>It sure doesn't hurt to ask and many would probably accept,

>but if they decline, respect that and DON'T DEGRADE THEIR

>SERVICE FOR IT on a review. Fair is fair.

 

Flower - what are you smoking tonight? I never said I would degrade their service in a review. All I said was that I would probably look upon him as only out for the money. This might change my perception of him but would never affect the review. If he is hot in bed, he is hot in bed, period.

 

I know you don't like me, but you should not allow this to cause you to mininterpret what I say just for the sake of disagreeing with me.

 

fukamarine

[Guest Hole_4_Hire]

I have to agree that my personal response differs from client-to-client. I would probably be hesitant to agree to dinner off the clock with a first-time client unless we had some familiarity such as on this message board, chat rooms, etc.

 

However, I would definately provide a very attractive "evening" rate. I've done this before with clients who wanted me to play "tourist guide" or theater companion prior to the bedroom activity. In those instances which involve an evening rate, I would definately expect to pay for my own dinner, theater ticket, or other reaonsable expenses. I don't feel the client should pick up the entire tab when I receive some benefit or pleasure from it.

 

The bottom line is that you should ask. Most guys won't be offended by the offer.

[ted]

>I read all the replies (and no one is wrong) and I have to

>agree, dinner on the cock depends on each particular

>situation, the escorts schedule, your history and repoire

>with the escort, etc.

>

>Just ask him what his policy is. It might very well be moot

>anyway if he has a social or business engorgement later that

>evening anyway.:+

dinner on the cock ? business engorgement ? typos or not? Is that you Yogi?

[guyinsf]

It's interesting that you say that you would expect to pay your share of the theater ticket or whatever. I wonder how many escorts feel this way?

 

One of the first guys I ever hired actually asked me when setting up the appointment if I would like to "extend" our session by taking him out to dinner at the same cost for his service but with me paying for dinner. I thought that sounded like a good idea and it was the first time I took an escort out to dinner. Unfortunately I found his company a bit tedious (too narcissistic for my taste, with the conversation revolving around him or no conversation at all) but he was hot in bed and very sexy.

 

I've only taken one other escort out to dinner (and have done so many times). Since I always hire him for an overnighter, it's a great way to begin the evening. I almost always pay for the meal. I'm always willing to pay; it's just that he's such a nice guy that he has insisted on treating me a few times for special occasions. :-)

[Guest njguy62]

Thanks to everyone for their responses. Definitely helps put things into perspective. All valid points. After giving this some more thought, I realize that a lot of this depends on how important it is to -me- to have extra time at dinner with the escort. I suppose, if it is really important to me, then I should be willing to pay the extra cost, as the whole point ot the escorts business model is based on time, regardless of the activity. In this case, it is more of a "nice to have", as opposed to a "must have", which is why I would not be disappointed if the answer was that the dinner time was on the clock (or was it one the cock, as Not2Kinky4me stated!?!) And I certainly would not hold it against him, especially in a review. I'm actually more concerned that the guy would think less of me for trying to get some free time and that would result is a less successful session.

 

Yes, while I think it would be good PR for an escort to accept such an offer, especially if a 2-hr appointment was confirmed for afterwards, I can also understand his hesitancy to accept, especially with a first time client (as in my case). Interestingly, if you extend this issue to the general business/sales world, it is the saleperson who takes the -client- out for PR purposes, often when the client is just a prospect. But it those circumstances, the cost of the entertainment and time is small compared to the profit from the potential sale.

 

Sooo... I'm definitely going to ask, but first I will confirm the 2-hr appointment & fee, then mention that I'm also free for dinner and have no plans, see if he is interested, and then find out if he would charge an "evening" rate, as suggested.

 

I'll update this thread with the results.

 

Thanks again for all the feedback.

 

Dan

[Rick Munroe]

>My thoughts are that the escort has to have dinner anyway -

 

>If the escort did not see it this way, I'd probably still

>book him but I would view him in a less favourable light and

>look upon him as only out for the bucks.

 

That's really not fair. It's more than just dinner & free food; the escort has to be "on", charming, etc. If it's an overnight, I love to go to dinner; actually, that's an excellent way to get to know one another (and if it's a repeat, it's a nice way to spend quality time together outside of the bed). But to see an escort as a hustler because he wants to be paid for his time in any other situation is, as I said, unfair.

[+ Lucky]

After I had "dinner on the cock" I invited an escort to join me for dinner, off the clock. He accepted, and we went to a very nice and expensive restaurant.

At the end of dinner, he picked up the tab! Talk about a pleasant surprise!

[Flower]

>Flower - what are you smoking tonight? I never said I would

>degrade their service in a review. All I said was that I

>would probably look upon him as only out for the money. This

>might change my perception of him but would never affect the

>review. If he is hot in bed, he is hot in bed, period.

>

>I know you don't like me, but you should not allow this to

>cause you to mininterpret what I say just for the sake of

>disagreeing with me.

>fukamarine

 

Fuckamarine, First, I've actually come to like you even though I disagree with a lot of what you say--nothing personal :+

 

Second, I used a reply to your post to cover several--it was not "aimed" at you. We went through that before. The only thing that you said that I was taking exception to was "but I would view him in a less favourable light" and in that sentence, I MISREAD your use OF "VIEW" thinking you wrote "REVIEW" and to that I did take umbrage, but obviously improperly so and I really do appologize :*

 

But rather than post at several locations in the same thread, I try and do it once so the rest of the comments were really addressed to either other posts or just my "deep" thoughts.

 

I do agree with you that it would be good PR if he thought you'd be back -- I'm certainly not suggesting Wendy's--at least Taco Bell) I'm not so sure that anything else other than my misreading had us at odds--SO--can you ever forgive me?

 

Flower :*

[Guest fukamarine]

>I'm not so sure that anything else

>other than my misreading had us at odds--SO--can you ever

>forgive me?

 

Sure I can - in fact it is I who should apologise to you. I wrote my reply this a.m. before my 1st cup of coffe and I was way too grumpy (even for me)

 

fukamarine

[Guest Ant415]

well, ok maybe then I would go. But, I don't think it would be conventional business lunch then.

[guyinsf]

I like the notion of being "on." I kind of understand what you mean, because in my line of work I definitely need to be "on" to a certain extent. Largely, though, I get to be who I am. I appreciate escorts who are the same. (I realize, Rick, that you are perhaps this way yourself; I just wanted to respond to the *idea* of an escort having to put forth a lot of effort during dinner in order to pretend to be something he isn't.)

[Flower]

>>-SO--can you ever

>>forgive me?

>

>Sure I can *****

>fukamarine

 

:* :* :*

 

Flower :*

[Guest ChicagoCorey]

I don't have much to add on this point since I think it's best answered by the universal answer to escort/client questions: "Communication is key!"

 

However, there is one point that some people might miss. I've often had chatty clients ask me "What was your worst escorting experience?" They always expect me to answer with some horriffic sexual request. However, my answers are always non-sexual tales -- rude treatment in a non-sexual atmosphere -- like dinner, for example.

 

That's not to say that some guys wouldn't love to have dinner off the clock -- especially with a regular. And I (and others) prefer full evenings, rather than one hour quickies; I think it's hotter and makes the experience more complete (not to mention more convienient from a business perspective). However, I think it's an incorrect belief to assume that dinner with a stranger when in "escort-mode" is somehow far easier than the sex part; unless you've developed a rapport with someone, it feels like a blind date -- and that's not a situation a bunch of guys are going to jump into willingly.

 

In other words, ask if you want, especially if you feel like the guy would be up for it. But don't be offended by a "no" answer. It's probably just a policy based on bad past experiences, not something you did.

[Guest njguy62]

Well, just to give you all an update, I decided to ask about an "evening rate", got a very positive response (and reasonable rate), and now I'm looking forward to a fun night! Thanks again to everyone for their thoughts and wit. This is a great message board!

 

Dan

[Guest luv2luv]

I wondered this too when I booked for an overnight. A flat fee of $1100.00 was quoted. Dinner was nice but the broadway show after was as if I was siiting there alone and not with anyone else. I knew this particular escort from previous times together, the one hour quickies. When we finally got back to my place he was dead meat. Thisguy should stick only to the hour appointments. He didn't have enough of anything to sustain an entire overnight. Because of this I will never chance such an expensive escapade again. Some guys don't have enough in their personality bank to endure anything outside of the bedroom. I'm not judging all escorts by this one experience but I think you have to admit it's all alittle too expensive to chance a bum time. Thanks for listening.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Greetings~

 

The responses to this question are as varied as the very people who post... Always nice to see a good mix of replies without useless bickering.

 

My personal policy has always been to NOT charge when it comes to a pre or post dinner from this simple standpoint: It's a good time to get to know your client and, not to sound too much like a hillbilly, it's a free meal. IMO, it's just not kosher when an escort requests payment for something like this.

 

If an escort feels that being 'on' during a meal is tough enough to demand compensation, then they're trying WAY too hard. Remember, it's not just about coming across as a concierge~ it's also about showing that unique personality that keeps people coming back for more. I can understand at times needing to perk up after a bad day and be 'on,' but in the longrun being yourself will garner much more success. There's only so 'on' one can be without appearing about as real as Joan River's face

 

 

 

 

Warmest Regards,

 

 

 

Benjamin Nicholas

Escort@ChiKindaKid.com

http://www.ChiKindaKid.com