When is a client too fat..

[woodlawn]

RE: Body Fascism?

 

>>I do agree that if an escort sees only men whom he finds

>>attractive it's kind of hard to understand what he is being

>>paid for.

 

>His time. Just like escorts who see men they don't find

>attractive.

 

If from the escort's point of view there is no real difference between a 'professional' appointment and an actual date, why would he insist on being paid 'for his time' during one and not during the other?

 

> Do you agree that it's none of your business what

>escorts who see clients other than yourself are being paid

>for?

 

Of course I don't, and neither do other posters. If every person who posted here agreed that it was none of his business what any escort does or why unless the escort was actually seeing him, this website would cease to exist for lack of interest. This is merely another of your many attempts to make people feel they have no right to express or discuss opinions that don't reflect well on some escorts. Since you are no longer escorting -- unless you want to court disaster by committing additional crimes while out on bond -- why is this any of YOUR business?

[Guest skrubber]

Pathetic? No, it's just plain considerate. If you don't have respect for yourself at least try to show some to your escort.

[SDTop]

"Pathetic? No, it's just plain considerate. If you don't have respect for yourself at least try to show some to your escort"

 

Even more pathetic

[bigguyinpasadena]

SDtop,congrats on your weight loss.

Now stop equating being fat with being rude or inconsiderate-this makes no sense and is falling into stereotyping fat people as stupid,lazy.unclean,and now rude.

These are not the words I,or others that know me would use to describe me.

As to being considerate,well I think being really clean is the most considerate thing I can do for a hooker.And I am not judgemental about his work,considerate of his time,and try not to emberass him by asking him to do things he is not comfortable with.

I am always upfront with a hooker on the phone when I am setting up an appointment,and I appriciate honesty in return.

[Bilbo]

RE: Body Fascism?

 

Woodlawn - If there were not a sizable minority of hetero people who find fat attractive why would there be quite a few positive words in the language for it, such as zaftig? And why would anyone still be paying astronomical prices for paintings by Peter Paul Reubens? (And why do I have the feeling that I've already misspelled at least two words?) And why would there be a newspaper comic strip (Rose is Rose) where the husband deeply loves his wife but gets more turned on when he sees her reflection in a hubcap or something that makes her look fatter? The artist doesn't refer to it very often, but it is a recurring theme.

 

Speaking as an erotic masseur - which is what most of my encounters are right now - when is a client too fat? Well, when I purchased my table six years ago, it was rated to be able to hold about 3,000 pounds. Now, it's not in as good repair as it was when it was new, natch. But don't expect me to get up on the table with you if you weigh over 1,000 pounds, no matter how tall you are. It just won't happen. }(

[woodlawn]

RE: Body Fascism?

 

>Woodlawn - If there were not a sizable minority of hetero

>people who find fat attractive why would there be quite a few

>positive words in the language for it, such as zaftig?

 

Quite a few positive words? What are the other positive words?

 

 

>And why

>would anyone still be paying astronomical prices for paintings

>by Peter Paul Reubens?

 

Because art collectors don't really collect paintings -- they collect autographs.

 

 

(And why do I have the feeling that

>I've already misspelled at least two words?)

 

Because you're too lazy to use the spell check program?

 

 

>And why would

>there be a newspaper comic strip (Rose is Rose) where the

>husband deeply loves his wife but gets more turned on when he

>sees her reflection in a hubcap or something that makes her

>look fatter? The artist doesn't refer to it very often, but it

>is a recurring theme.

 

Never heard of it. But I think the real question is why you waste time arguing against propositions for which there is a vast amount of supporting evidence in our culture. Is it because you're fat too?

 

Unlike skrubber I don't believe that fat people should be treated as criminals just because they're fat. But it's rather stupid to deny that American culture -- not merely gay culture -- considers as less attractive those people of either sex who are overweight. Gay men shouldn't be blamed for a cultural standard that goes far beyond the gay community.

[Rick Munroe]

RE: Body Fascism?

 

>And why

>would anyone still be paying astronomical prices for paintings

>by Peter Paul Reubens?

 

He paints now? I've often wondered what Pee-wee was up to after the arrest(s).

 

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/actors/pee-wee-herman/pee-wee-mug.jpg

[guptasa1]

Interesting topic. Thought I'd throw in my viewpoints.

 

I have mixed feelings about how escorts should react towards overweight people. First of all, I think honesty up front is important for both client and escort. If it's not going to work, I think it's best to avoid a bad situation as soon as possible and minimize hurt feelings or awkwardness. I also believe there's no excuse for a lack of cleanliness (within reason; sometimes sex is messier than expected, but attempts should be made) or manners.

 

I am of the opinion there are different levels of attraction that different people have (or don't have). I believe there are people out there who really are attracted to many people and can find those attractive qualities in others, and then I think there are people out there who are much more narrowly attracted and even picky. I tend to fall into the latter category, for example. I'm attracted to mostly younger, twinky type guys, and most other guys just don't do much for me sexually. That's not simply overweight people, but extremely muscular people, really hairy guys, etc. And of course I'm sure there are exceptions (one being someone who I used to be attracted to who might not be quite as physically appealing, but I find the attraction remains because of our previous relationship). On a another side note, the people I'm not sexually attracted too aren't necessarily considered ugly either. One interesting thing about me is, I can see someone and find them quite good-looking physically but have NO sexual attraction there at all - it's rather odd.

 

Now, my opinion is that the very best escorts are guys in this first group who can find something attractive about most people and get turned on (assuming the clients aren't jerks or something obvious). I myself wouldn't make a good escort because, while I might like someone on a friendly level, I probably couldn't get turned on at will for someone I wasn't actually attracted to.

 

That said, I've also been on the other side of the coin. In high school, I weighed ~ 248 lbs. at one point. It was hard to work most of that off (and some of it, frankly, was done in a not so healthy way - by not eating), but now (at 5'11") I weigh under 165 lbs. and am well-into the normal weight classification for my height. I still have problem areas I'd like to look better and am hoping to lose a little more, but I'm pretty happy overall. For me, sex (both with escorts and wanting a boyfriend) was a major motivator, I'll admit, and I think the reason I was ever that heavy in the first place was simply not caring (I didn't know I was gay at the time - just thought I wasn't interested in a relationship - lol). Anyways, while I don't equate being fat at all to being disrespectful or rude or anything else, I do really believe anybody really CAN get rid of it. The keys for me were motivation (I needed to really WANT to) and going slow, especially if you want to do it in a healthy way (just a few pounds per month over time will get you there; there's no quick fix). Another key for me was finding something that works to lose it. For me, it's portion control (I still eat EVERYTHING I like...I just try to control how much), lots of water, and moderate exercise (and I still need to become more consistent with this, but that'll be easier once I have my own place.)

 

At any rate, I am a firm believer that everybody needs affection sometimes, and I'm glad their are guys out there who are great at focusing on what about the person they are attracted to and enjoying themselves as well as making that person happy. I don't consider myself particularly attractive (though I'm flattered some people seem to), and it's just good to know there are guys out there like that.

 

Just my two cents as always.

[SDTop]

Hey BigGuy..

 

That was NOT me who lost the weight and has such disdain for overweight people. I am the one who thinks that kind of thinking is pathetic. Just thought I'd clear that up..

[bigguyinpasadena]

Sorry SD top-my reply was directed at skrubber.

[Bilbo]

RE: Body Fascism?

 

Perhaps I should just ignore your remarks right now, Woodlawn, because I'm going to a seminar at a retreat center in California next week and don't want to get into the middle of an argument with you and then just disappear, looking like I'm running away.

 

Another word, though I don't think that many heteros are using it yet, is Bear. And a good word to say about a bear is Woof. Yes, I am a bear, and proud of it - 5"9", 206 lbs right now. And hairy as hell. And the last time I went out of town for a seminar, I had a man fall head over heels in crush with me, which got in my way, just a little bit. }(

[Guest DevonSFescort]

RE: Body Fascism?

 

>If from the escort's point of view there is no real difference

>between a 'professional' appointment and an actual date

 

I wasn't aware that escorts who only accepted clients they found attractive held that point of view. Can you give us any names and tell us how you know they hold such a point of view? Or are you just making it up?

 

>why would he insist on being paid 'for his time' during one and

>not during the other?

 

People who enjoy their jobs and profess to look forward to going to work each day generally insist on being paid for their time during their work hours but not during their leisure hours. This is true in any number of professions. Why should escorting be any different? Do you think escorts should be required to be repulsed by their clients? Would clients be better served if they were?

 

>If every person who posted here agreed that it was none of his >business what any escort does or why unless the escort was actually

>seeing him, this website would cease to exist for lack of

>interest.

 

Does that mean that people who come here actually WANT to police what goes on in other people's bedrooms? That certainly explains most of your posts.

 

>This is merely another of your many attempts to

>make people feel they have no right to express or discuss

>opinions that don't reflect well on some escorts.

 

No, it's merely one of my many exercises of the right to free speech. I'm not trying to "make" you or anyone else feel any particular way. You posted a comment on a message board and I responded to it. And now I'm doing it again. Do you think you're going to MAKE me stop?

 

>Since you

>are no longer escorting -- unless you want to court disaster

>by committing additional crimes while out on bond -- why is

>this any of YOUR business?

 

You don't speak for me, so my clients would be ill-advised to heed any announcements you make about my escorting plans. The court has has made no comment on any part of my escorting career, which I've told the police and various mental "health" care professionals about, and has not instructed me to stop escorting, which is, after all, perfectly legal, since escort rates are for time only. I would only be courting disaster if I tried to escort OUTSIDE the Commonwealth of Massachusetts before 9/13/2004, which is when I am obliged to return to court. If any police departments in the Commonwealth wish to conduct a prostitution sting on me, they are welcome to do so, but they will be hard-pressed to prove that I have ever agreed to have sex with anyone in exchange for money. I have been open about being an escort for quite some time, and the police have never taken an interest in my activity as an escort. The charges against me, furthermore, are completely unrelated to my being an escort.

 

As usual, the only people on this site who have a problem with my escorting are people who've never met me and never will. Too bad for them.

[woodlawn]

RE: Body Fascism?

 

>>If from the escort's point of view there is no real

>difference

>>between a 'professional' appointment and an actual date

 

>I wasn't aware that escorts who only accepted clients they

>found attractive held that point of view. Can you give us any

>names and tell us how you know they hold such a point of view?

> Or are you just making it up?

 

No, YOU are making up a position I haven't taken and asking me to justify it. You've accused Doug69 of distorting your posts in exactly that way on many occasions, but the fact that you don't like it when it's done to you clearly doesn't stop you from doing it to others. Typical.

 

 

>>why would he insist on being paid 'for his time' during one

>and

>>not during the other?

>

>People who enjoy their jobs and profess to look forward to

>going to work each day generally insist on being paid for

>their time during their work hours but not during their

>leisure hours. This is true in any number of professions.

>Why should escorting be any different?

 

Possibly because one difference between prostitution and most other professions is that for prostitutes, business appointments and social appointments are virtually identical -- except for the issue of whether the prostitute finds the person he's with desirable. That is what we're discussing in this thread, in case you didn't notice.

 

> Do you think escorts

>should be required to be repulsed by their clients? Would

>clients be better served if they were?

 

I agree with the sentiments expressed by Al, Franco and several other escorts and clients that it is in some sense 'unprofessional' for an escort to confine his business to only those clients whom he finds sexually attractive. I take it you disagree.

 

>>If every person who posted here agreed that it was none of

>his >business what any escort does or why unless the escort

>was actually

>>seeing him, this website would cease to exist for lack of

>>interest.

 

>Does that mean that people who come here actually WANT to

>police what goes on in other people's bedrooms? That

>certainly explains most of your posts.

 

In case your drug habit has impaired your ability to comprehend English, which is entirely possible, it means that neither I nor a lot of the other people who post here consider what escorts get paid for to be, as you just suggested, none of our business. If we did, we wouldn't be discussing this. Obviously.

 

 

>>This is merely another of your many attempts to

>>make people feel they have no right to express or discuss

>>opinions that don't reflect well on some escorts.

 

>No, it's merely one of my many exercises of the right to free

>speech.

 

I note that you keep insisting on strict enforcement of the law barring government from interfering with speech, even as you keep insisting that other laws you find inconvenient should NOT be enforced. Again, typical.

 

> I'm not trying to "make" you or anyone else feel any

>particular way. You posted a comment on a message board and I

>responded to it. And now I'm doing it again. Do you think

>you're going to MAKE me stop?

 

 

No, Devon, I don't think I'm going to make you stop. On the contrary, I think you're going to keep being guided in this and all of your other actions by the same judgment and attitude that has gotten you where you are today. In fact, I'd bet on it.

 

>>Since you

>>are no longer escorting -- unless you want to court disaster

>>by committing additional crimes while out on bond -- why is

>>this any of YOUR business?

 

>You don't speak for me, so my clients would be ill-advised to

>heed any announcements you make about my escorting plans.

 

They'd also be ill-advised to hire a prostitute who has serious drug and emotional problems and is awaiting trial on criminal charges. But I suspect that won't stop them.

 

> The

>court has has made no comment on any part of my escorting

>career, which I've told the police and various mental "health"

>care professionals about, and has not instructed me to stop

>escorting, which is, after all, perfectly legal, since escort

>rates are for time only.

 

To quote our friend Franco, "Blah, blah, blah, blah."

 

>As usual, the only people on this site who have a problem with

>my escorting are people who've never met me and never will.

>Too bad for them.

 

I think some people who have recently learned about your drug and other problems are thanking their lucky stars right about now that they DIDN'T hire you.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

RE: Body Fascism?

 

>>>If from the escort's point of view there is no real

>>difference

>>>between a 'professional' appointment and an actual date

>

>>I wasn't aware that escorts who only accepted clients they

>>found attractive held that point of view. Can you give us

>any

>>names and tell us how you know they hold such a point of

>view?

>> Or are you just making it up?

 

>No, YOU are making up a position I haven't taken and asking me

>to justify it.

 

Well, then, who wrote these words, if not you?

 

"I do agree that if an escort sees only men whom he finds attractive it's kind of hard to understand what he is being paid for."

 

>You've accused Doug69 of distorting your posts

>in exactly that way on many occasions, but the fact that you

>don't like it when it's done to you clearly doesn't stop you

>from doing it to others.

 

The "fact" that I don't like it? How does your conjecture about my likes and dislikes translate into a "fact?" LOL!

 

>>People who enjoy their jobs and profess to look forward to

>>going to work each day generally insist on being paid for

>>their time during their work hours but not during their

>>leisure hours. This is true in any number of professions.

>>Why should escorting be any different?

>

>Possibly because one difference between prostitution and most

>other professions is that for prostitutes, business

>appointments and social appointments are virtually identical

>-- except for the issue of whether the prostitute finds the

>person he's with desirable. That is what we're discussing in

>this thread, in case you didn't notice.

 

I thought "we" were discussing escorts, not prostitutes. You're the one with the fixation on prostitution, not me.

 

>> Do you think escorts

>>should be required to be repulsed by their clients? Would

>>clients be better served if they were?

>

>I agree with the sentiments expressed by Al, Franco and

>several other escorts and clients that it is in some sense

>'unprofessional' for an escort to confine his business to only

>those clients whom he finds sexually attractive. I take it

>you disagree.

 

I think the issue of "professionalism" in a field in which the only barrier to entry is the ability to place some kind of ad or navigate a chat room, and in which a reputation for "professionalism" won't translate to employment prospects in just about any other field, is a bit of a non-sequiter, regardless of what Al, Franco, and you think. I think people who are denied the opportunity to spend money on an "unprofessional" escort should just move on and hire somebody they find more "professional" rather than complaining about "fascism." I think equating "unprofessional" escort practices with the practice of making Jews into lampshades or invading Poland on dubious pretexts amounts to trivializing REAL fascism.

 

>>>If every person who posted here agreed that it was none of

>>his >business what any escort does or why unless the escort

>>was actually

>>>seeing him, this website would cease to exist for lack of

>>>interest.

>

>>Does that mean that people who come here actually WANT to

>>police what goes on in other people's bedrooms? That

>>certainly explains most of your posts.

>

>In case your drug habit has impaired your ability to

>comprehend English, which is entirely possible

 

It is indeed possible, but I'm afraid Zyprexa is "my" psychiatrist's drug of choice, not mine. Yet another reason why other people's ideas about credentials don't impress me.

 

>it means that neither I nor a lot of the other people who post here >consider what escorts get paid for to be, as you just suggested, >none of our business. If we did, we wouldn't be discussing this.

 

Or so very, VERY frequently.

 

>>No, it's merely one of my many exercises of the right to

>>free speech.

 

>I note that you keep insisting on strict enforcement of the

>law barring government from interfering with speech, even as

>you keep insisting that other laws you find inconvenient

>should NOT be enforced. Again, typical.

 

Yes, it is, indeed, rather typical of my tendency to prioritize the US Constitution over other laws.

 

>> I'm not trying to "make" you or anyone else feel any

>>particular way. You posted a comment on a message board and

>>I responded to it. And now I'm doing it again. Do you think

>>you're going to MAKE me stop?

 

>No, Devon, I don't think I'm going to make you stop. On the

>contrary, I think you're going to keep being guided in this

>and all of your other actions by the same judgment and

>attitude that has gotten you where you are today. In fact,

>I'd bet on it.

 

You'd win that bet. Where I am today, after all, is a ranch house in Wareham, which I have all to myself until my friend returns -- and I've got access to a private beach! I have no complaints whatsoever about where I am today.

 

>>You don't speak for me, so my clients would be ill-advised

>>to heed any announcements you make about my escorting plans.

 

>They'd also be ill-advised to hire a prostitute who has

>serious drug and emotional problems and is awaiting trial on

>criminal charges. But I suspect that won't stop them.

 

Probably not. But I don't mind if my clients also want to hire prostitutes just because they also hire me. I don't consider it any of my business.

 

>> The

>>court has has made no comment on any part of my escorting

>>career, which I've told the police and various mental

>"health"

>>care professionals about, and has not instructed me to stop

>>escorting, which is, after all, perfectly legal, since

>escort

>>rates are for time only.

>

>To quote our friend Franco, "Blah, blah, blah, blah."

 

I wonder whether "our friend" likes having his replies to YOUR gibberish taken out of context. Oh well, you are perfectly free to do so, whether "our friend" likes it or not. And I say this despite the fact that "our friend" is the owner of one of my paintings. (Memo to "our friend" -- I suspect the market value of that piece will go up now that I've had my "crazy artist" credentials certified by the experts at Taunton State Hospital, and now that many other pieces that side have been destroyed by my kidnappers/carjackers.)

 

>I think some people who have recently learned about your drug

>and other problems are thanking their lucky stars right about

>now that they DIDN'T hire you.

 

If they are, that would make them sanctimonious hypocrites, in which case I'm thanking their lucky stars even more fervently than they are.

[woodlawn]

RE: Body Fascism?

 

>Well, then, who wrote these words, if not you?

 

>"I do agree that if an escort sees only men whom he finds

>attractive it's kind of hard to understand what he is being

>paid for."

 

I did write them. They simply do not correspond with the distorted meaning you are trying to give them.

 

>>You've accused Doug69 of distorting your posts

>>in exactly that way on many occasions, but the fact that you

>>don't like it when it's done to you clearly doesn't stop you

>>from doing it to others.

 

>The "fact" that I don't like it? How does your conjecture

>about my likes and dislikes translate into a "fact?" LOL!

 

It's a fact that you have complained about his behavior in this regard on numerous occasions. Do you complain about things because you LIKE them? Is that one of the effects of meth?

 

>I thought "we" were discussing escorts, not prostitutes.

>You're the one with the fixation on prostitution, not me.

>

 

This thread is about people who get paid to have sex with other people. If that is NOT what you want to talk about, then what the fuck are you doing here?

 

>>I agree with the sentiments expressed by Al, Franco and

>>several other escorts and clients that it is in some sense

>>'unprofessional' for an escort to confine his business to

>only

>>those clients whom he finds sexually attractive. I take it

>>you disagree.

 

>I think the issue of "professionalism" in a field in which the

>only barrier to entry is the ability to place some kind of ad

>or navigate a chat room, and in which a reputation for

>"professionalism" won't translate to employment prospects in

>just about any other field, is a bit of a non-sequiter,

>regardless of what Al, Franco, and you think.

 

You may be on to something there.

 

> I think people

>who are denied the opportunity to spend money on an

>"unprofessional" escort should just move on and hire somebody

>they find more "professional" rather than complaining about

>"fascism." I think equating "unprofessional" escort practices

>with the practice of making Jews into lampshades or invading

>Poland on dubious pretexts amounts to trivializing REAL

>fascism.

 

Since no one has ever appointed you a spokesman for the victims of fascism, you have a right to your opinion but no right to speak for those of us who actually have some connection to those victims.

 

>>In case your drug habit has impaired your ability to

>>comprehend English, which is entirely possible

 

>It is indeed possible, but I'm afraid Zyprexa is "my"

>psychiatrist's drug of choice, not mine. Yet another reason

>why other people's ideas about credentials don't impress me.

 

My idea about credentials is that those who have them get to give orders and those who don't get to take orders. That certainly seems to be the case in your situation.

 

 

>>it means that neither I nor a lot of the other people who

>post here >consider what escorts get paid for to be, as you

>just suggested, >none of our business. If we did, we wouldn't

>be discussing this.

>

>Or so very, VERY frequently.

 

Whether frequently or infrequently, it couldn't be clearer that lots of us don't agree with you that the subject is none of our business. Deal with it.

 

>Yes, it is, indeed, rather typical of my tendency to

>prioritize the US Constitution over other laws.

 

Prioritizing laws doesn't mean ignoring some and enforcing others.

 

>>No, Devon, I don't think I'm going to make you stop. On the

>>contrary, I think you're going to keep being guided in this

>>and all of your other actions by the same judgment and

>>attitude that has gotten you where you are today. In fact,

>>I'd bet on it.

 

>You'd win that bet. Where I am today, after all, is a ranch

>house in Wareham, which I have all to myself until my friend

>returns -- and I've got access to a private beach! I have no

>complaints whatsoever about where I am today.

 

I wasn't suggesting you should complain. I'm sure there are plenty of people who'd like the opportunity to stay in someone else's home without paying rent and have little or nothing to do all day but pop pills and beg strangers for money on an Internet message board.

 

>>To quote our friend Franco, "Blah, blah, blah, blah."

 

>I wonder whether "our friend" likes having his replies to YOUR

>gibberish taken out of context. Oh well, you are perfectly

>free to do so, whether "our friend" likes it or not.

 

You're goddamn right I am. I'm also free to point out that I care nothing for evaluations of my posts by someone who is a drug addict and mental patient.

 

 

>>I think some people who have recently learned about your

>drug

>>and other problems are thanking their lucky stars right

>about

>>now that they DIDN'T hire you.

 

>If they are, that would make them sanctimonious hypocrites, in

>which case I'm thanking their lucky stars even more fervently

>than they are.

 

I don't know why someone would be either sanctimonious or a hypocrite simply because he doesn't want to invite a hooker to his hotel room if the hooker has a history indicating that he may freak out due to drugs or mental illness or both. I suspect most people who use this website to find escorts would probably prefer to avoid someone like that. Especially if they're married.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

RE: Body Fascism?

 

>It's a fact that you have complained about his behavior in

>this regard on numerous occasions.

 

To the contrary, I enjoy sparring with Doug, and part of sparring, in the context of a message board, involves exposing the weaknesses in one's sparring partner's arguments.

 

>This thread is about people who get paid to have sex with

>other people.

 

Sorry, troll, but you don't get to dictate the terms of discussion on this message board, though you can continue with your pathetic simpering and whining.

 

>You may be on to something there.

 

>> I think people

>>who are denied the opportunity to spend money on an

>>"unprofessional" escort should just move on and hire

>somebody

>>they find more "professional" rather than complaining about

>>"fascism." I think equating "unprofessional" escort

>practices

>>with the practice of making Jews into lampshades or invading

>>Poland on dubious pretexts amounts to trivializing REAL

>>fascism.

>

>Since no one has ever appointed you a spokesman for the

>victims of fascism, you have a right to your opinion but no

>right to speak for those of us who actually have some

>connection to those victims.

 

That must be why I said "I think," implying that I spoke only for myself. How noble of you to try and claim some kind of moral high ground based on some "connection" to people who did and didn't survive the Holocaust. The victims must be so proud of you.

 

>My idea about credentials is that those who have them get to

>give orders and those who don't get to take orders. That

>certainly seems to be the case in your situation.

 

Spoken like a devoted fascist.

 

>Whether frequently or infrequently, it couldn't be clearer

>that lots of us don't agree with you that the subject is none

>of our business. Deal with it.

 

There's nothing to deal with. I don't base my opinions on how popular they are.

 

>>Yes, it is, indeed, rather typical of my tendency to

>>prioritize the US Constitution over other laws.

 

>Prioritizing laws doesn't mean ignoring some and enforcing

>others.

 

Look in the mirror when you say that, Mr. "So many men, so little time!"

 

>I wasn't suggesting you should complain. I'm sure there are

>plenty of people who'd like the opportunity to stay in someone

>else's home without paying rent and have little or nothing to

>do all day but pop pills and beg strangers for money on an

>Internet message board.

 

I'm sure there are many lawyers who'd like to bill their clients for the many hours they spent trolling escort websites, too.

 

>You're goddamn right I am. I'm also free to point out that I

>care nothing for evaluations of my posts by someone who is a

>drug addict and mental patient.

 

Yes, you are. And I'm free to mock sleazy, hypocritical lawyers' posts as much as I like.

 

>I suspect most people who use this website to find escorts would

>probably prefer to avoid someone like that.

 

And I KNOW that I don't need or want "most people who use this website" to hire me.

 

>Especially if they're married.

 

Another unmarried marriage counselor. Surprise, surprise!

[duke37]

RE: Body Fascism?

 

>Yes, you are. And I'm free to mock sleazy, hypocritical

>lawyers' posts as much as I like.

>

Actually Devon, I don't think he has either confirmed or denied that he is a lawyer.

 

---Quibble over----

 

Return to your regularly scheduled programming.

 

Oh yeah welcome back to the uhhh sweet air of freedom, Slim. :-) Nice having you back.

 

Jeff

[woodlawn]

RE: Body Fascism?

 

>>It's a fact that you have complained about his behavior in

>>this regard on numerous occasions.

 

>To the contrary, I enjoy sparring with Doug, and part of

>sparring, in the context of a message board, involves exposing

>the weaknesses in one's sparring partner's arguments.

 

But that isn't what you've said. You've complained again and again that he has "distorted" your positions. That isn't about his arguments, but about yours. Why lie about it?

 

>>This thread is about people who get paid to have sex with

>>other people.

 

>Sorry, troll, but you don't get to dictate the terms of

>discussion on this message board, though you can continue with

>your pathetic simpering and whining.

 

I merely observe, as those of us whose perception is not clouded by drug use are able to do, what it is that people in this thread are discussing. I can understand that you may have some difficulty doing that in your present condition. I've heard those anti-psychotic drugs have some wicked side effects. But then, you don't really have a choice, right?

 

> How noble of you to try and claim some kind of

>moral high ground based on some "connection" to people who did

>and didn't survive the Holocaust. The victims must be so

>proud of you.

 

Those I've met have been very grateful for certain assistance I've rendered in the area of reparations. That's one reason I don't like to hear people like you, who have never done anything on the matter except sit on your ass and prattle about it, pretend you know something about the subject.

 

>>My idea about credentials is that those who have them get to

>>give orders and those who don't get to take orders. That

>>certainly seems to be the case in your situation.

 

>Spoken like a devoted fascist.

 

Don't let envy make you bitter. It's no one else's fault that you never finished your education and you ended up under the supervision of people whom you view as far less intelligent than your brilliant self. But are they really less intelligent? After all, thanks to the choices they made in their lives, they're the ones giving the orders.

 

>>Whether frequently or infrequently, it couldn't be clearer

>>that lots of us don't agree with you that the subject is

>none

>>of our business. Deal with it.

 

>There's nothing to deal with. I don't base my opinions on how

>popular they are.

 

Thanks for pointing that out, but it's been pretty obvious.

 

 

>Look in the mirror when you say that, Mr. "So many men, so

>little time!"

 

Don't be a hypocrite, bubi. Unlike you, I don't insist that laws I find inconvenient shouldn't apply to me, then turn around and demand that laws that help me should be enforced. I recognize that if I'm going to act outside the law whenever it suits me, then I have no business appealing for the law's protection when I need it. You (as well as a number of other people in your line of work) seem to have trouble grasping that.

 

>>I wasn't suggesting you should complain. I'm sure there are

>>plenty of people who'd like the opportunity to stay in

>someone

>>else's home without paying rent and have little or nothing

>to

>>do all day but pop pills and beg strangers for money on an

>>Internet message board.

 

>I'm sure there are many lawyers who'd like to bill their

>clients for the many hours they spent trolling escort

>websites, too.

 

I wouldn't know. And neither would you. Your accusations are nothing but more shit that you make up. As for me, I'm simply repeating what you have already said about yourself. You didn't make all of that up as well, did you? Surely not.

 

>Yes, you are. And I'm free to mock sleazy, hypocritical

>lawyers' posts as much as I like.

 

Since you have nothing much else to do, I guess you are. But since, by your own account, you have fucked up your life about as much as it is possible to do so without actually cutting your own throat, one is given to wonder how you reach the conclusion that you are fit to disparage anyone.

 

>>I suspect most people who use this website to find escorts

>would

>>probably prefer to avoid someone like that.

 

>And I KNOW that I don't need or want "most people who use this

>website" to hire me.

 

Then I guess that makes it unanimous.

 

>>Especially if they're married.

 

>Another unmarried marriage counselor. Surprise, surprise!

 

I don't think one needs to be a marriage counselor to conclude a married man would not want to have to explain to his wife why he had to call the cops to eject from his hotel room a freaked-out male hooker. Do you think the explanation "Honey, I hired him for his time only!" would work? Somehow I doubt it.

[rocky]

Greetings all. Well I might fit in to this category; I'm

about 210 pounds, 5.6". I always state up front that I'm

overweight and let the escort decide from there. I certainly

understand where this might be a turnoff for an escort and

I wouldn't want a half ass attempt at trying to make me

happy if indeed the escort prefers not to be with larger

men. I am what I am, I will pay for what I like..Rocky

[VaHawk]

A client is TOO FAT when the crack of his ass is wider than the hole in his wallet!