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There's a bit of a nasty spat going on in the masseurs forum, of all places, about tipping. Right now, I am deliberating whether to tip my newspaper person, who I never see and who just throws the paper in the driveway, and tipping my gardener, who shows up faithfully every week but manages to find extra charges here and there that make me think he has already gotten his tip.

 

I never tip at Starbucks, especially since it doesn't get you a drop of extra service. I tip my barber, but he always ignores the fact, and I don't feel that it gets me any extra service either.

 

I do tip escorts and masseurs, especially when they have pleased me well. But right now, it's not an issue since I can't afford to hire one anyway.

 

I would tip you for reading this, but then you would have to tip me for reading your response...it never ends.

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Tipping is getting way out of hand.It seems like almost everyone has their hand out expecting a tip for doing what they are paid to do.I always tip someone if I feel they went above and beyond to get something done for me like the Fios repair tech last week that really went out of his way to show that Fios equipment was working fine and it was the TV not working properly.

But I'm sick of seeing those tipping cups on counters of bagel stores,delis,etc.I'm not tipping someone for putting a few bagels in a bag.

I give a tip every year to our mailman,UPS man but I don't give anything to the sanitation guys who when they pick up our trash are famous for leaving anything that falls to the ground on the ground or if something is a bit too heavy they leave it.

A few weeks ago we had a Cable repair guy in our office who really did a great job and when I went to hand him a 10 dollar tip he refused saying "Thanks but it's what I get paid for".When cable called to ask how our repair was handled I gave the repair guy a glowing report.And damn he was so hot too!

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I think tipping is for personal services for which people are generally underpaid. I tip the laundry people who deliver my laundry to my apartment building (at no extra charge - that is, I pay no more for laundry than the folks who stop at the laundry to pick their own up rather than have it delivered), I tip the newspaper delivery guy, I tip my barber when I get a haircut because I'm not sure how that little barber shop is surviving in my neighborhood at the high commercial rents and the relatively low prices they charge for haircuts. I tip the staff in my building because it is such an engrained custom that not to tip them would leave them surly all year! And, of course, I tip the guy who comes to clean my apartment each week.

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At Christmas, I tip my current paper delivery guy, because he is much more dependable than the last one, and the paper has told me how difficult it is to find reliable deliverers for such small pay. I also give holiday tips to my excellent pest control guy, and to my Chicano gardeners, because they do any extra task I ask them to do, although their pay hasn't changed in five years. I tip my barber every time I get a haircut, because that's what I was taught to do as a child, and it would be awkward to stop doing it now (unless I changed barbers). I tip the guys who dry and polish my car at the car wash, because I suspect they depend on the tips to survive.

 

I don't tip the trashmen, because I have no idea who does it each week; ditto the mailmen/women. I don't tip my handsome, beautifully groomed poolman, because he drives a more expensive car than I do.

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Isn't it amazing how our expectations have mushroomed over time? I doubt that any of the posters on this thread lead what they consider a life of luxury and, even if they did, that is good for them but stop a second and look at the job titles mentioned: gardener, pool boy, house keeper, masseur, etc. etc.

 

This reminds me of a depression era joke. No, I am not that old but my grandparents lived through it as adults.

 

The Jones family was poor. The maid was poor. The butler was poor. The chauffeur was poor. The gardner was poor. Etc.

 

I am grateful for all the help I get in this life. I try to show it each and every time I can but that does not always mean a tip.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

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RE: Tipping ...Again, and again, and again...

 

Any conversation about tipping is really a conversation about money. Conversations about money reveal personality nuances not typically seen in other discussions. Talk of money often reveals a person's true nature because these discussions tend to expose deep-rooted emotional feelings. Everyone's relationship with money begins at an early age so there's much history (and psychosis) revealed when the wallet opens or it doesn't, whether someone is aware or not.

 

I find money discussions fascinating. And I chuckle when I come across another reason to find a particular poster on this board a complete turn off. And then, while pondering my turned-off state, I pity the poor escort or massage therapist who has to feign enjoyment while delivering intimate service to one of these selfish plates of shit. (How fun is YouTube!)

 

It's heartwarming to see the generosity and thoughtfulness exhibited by other posters who have the courage to engage in such a discussion. Tipping a $300-an-hour (bottom) fuck seems odd to me simply because I would never leave a cash tip for a lawyer and, as a top, I feel I do all the work. Yet, tipping a $150 massage therapist, especially the guy who not only relaxes all my body muscles but takes the care and time to get my dick hard and bring me to a fun climax without giving anything back, seems a no brainer.

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I think it's actually a control issue when people refuse to toss a couple coins in the Starbucks tithe box. "SEE? I didn't tip you cuz "your" coffee is too expensive," as if the $8/hr employees set the prices.

 

If you think the coffee is too expensive, don't go there, make your own--dilemma solved.

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I disagree, Rod. tipping has long been a device to reward extra or premium service. To tip someone for making you the coffee that you ordered, in other words, doing his job, seems superflous. If he din't give me the coffee, I wouldn't patronize the place in the first place.

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RE: Tipping ...Again, and again, and again...

 

>And then, while pondering my

>turned-off state, I pity the poor escort or massage therapist

>who has to feign enjoyment while delivering intimate service

>to one of these selfish plates of shit. (How fun is YouTube!)

 

Gosh - I wonder who he could be referring to?

 

>Tipping a $300-an-hour (bottom) fuck seems

>odd to me simply because I would never leave a cash tip for a

>lawyer and, as a top, I feel I do all the work.

 

You mean tipping a bottom who endures taking your mangy old dick up his ass seems strange? And you have the audacity to call others cheap?

 

Sheesh - some people!

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RE: Tipping at Starbucks

 

Regarding tipping at Starbucks, I agree with Lucky. Since when does the tradition to tip exist in any food-to-go service in America? The tip cup at the register choice is a relatively new phenomenon. Small business owners like it because it keeps their low paid service employees off their backs for pay increases.

 

The coffee is more costly at Starbucks because they offer you indefinite time spent lingering in their real estate. The customer "controls" whether they wish to stay or not. However, without table service and a large "to go" customer base, it's hard to justify tipping (although someone does have to clean up after people if they decide to take advantage of a chair, table and/or a couch). And then given how successful Starbucks is, it's even more ridiculous to see a tip cup for its underpaid employees when, clearly, the business can afford to pay higher rates and remove the tacky cup.

 

On the other hand, if a Starbucks employee went beyond the ordinary and brought my order to my table, then a tip would be a kind and generous thing to include.

 

So I have a hunch the tip cup is there for those who decide to stay and use the real estate and show their appreciation for a clean space to enjoy coffee. If others add to it, who's going to complain?

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Lucky,

 

I would explain it to you but I know you have a trained legal mind which operates like a steel trap (a mouse trap?). I can hear a fact being acquired by you now. Snap. Snap. Snap.

 

After reading the NY Times piece you mentioned I can now see you and Miss Manners as a twosome. Don't fight the feeling.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

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-Rule #1 ALWAYS - TIP the Barber - especially at the Holidays - Just good sense that the person you allow to put a straight razor to your face every 3 weeks all year long - should think fondly of you.

 

 

-The Mailman? There must be at least 5 different ones that I have seen from a distance over the year - PASS

 

 

-The Bagel Lady - Sometimes - Though she is an hourly employee - She is pleasant - polite, fast ,efficient, always remembers my order - makes friendly (non-sexual) conversation - says Thank You and gives correct change. In todays world of surly - slow - sloppy - service - SHE Gets TIPPED - where her slackardly cohorts do not.

 

 

-The Handy Man - (MINDS OUTTA THE GUTTER!!!) Does a variety of property related jobs for me throughout the year. And other than his inability to stay out of the liquor cabinet for more than 2 hours - he is honest and seems to incorporate his consumption into the price of the job. TIP HIM!

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Who I tip: Baristas (non Starbucks) the guy who cuts my hair every few weeks, waiter staff, cabbies (only if they don't make me piss myself with unsafe driving and argue when I pay with plastic), bell hops, doormen, hotel front desk staff if do something above and beyond what is asked of them. That is all I can think of for right now as I am not fully awake, no coffee flowing through the body yet.

 

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>Greg, Agree with all or most of those - I was specifically

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>thinking of Holiday Tipping.

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Ah ok. My list is those who I tip year round. But a nice thank you for the postal person (if it's the same one as I've had for the last few years) or handy man is always nice at the end of the year. I meant to mention this in my last post but tips for escorts naw. Not unless we did something amazing or had to endure a few cancellations on your end or a meeting time that is usually beyond that escorts working time. But over all I feel that what we charge is enough not to warrant a tip.

 

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I have cut back this year and the tips to my building staff will be decreased by 25%. One or two individuals, who do an exceptional job, will be rewarded with a few dollars more than the others, and some will receive nothing.

 

Fortunately my postman does nothing for me, my building does not have mail boxes, so he is not an issue, however my postman in Florida is a nice guy and helps keep the junk mail out of the box, so I always give him something for going "above and beyond." Did you know it is against the Postal code for employees of the post office to accept money?

 

Times are tough, money is hard...

 

ED

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(For humor's sake and to alleviate boredom, please don't take too seriously)

 

I felt a great deal of research needed to be put into this incredibly important debate.

 

As a former employee and long time regular patron of Starbucks I felt this topic particularly relevant and interesting to me. I typically tip a decent amount every time I'm in there or a bigger amount if I've been using a credit card all week. Part of this stems from working there and knowing the value of tips there and the fact that the government AUTOMATICALLY TAXES THEM based on an assumed hourly tip wage.

 

I felt that maybe my interpretation of Starbucks tip value could be skewed by the fact that I used to work there and may have had ties to certain employees. I realized that this couldn't be the current case because I never worked with ANY of the present employees.

 

This topic requires the utmost concern and study thus I have just returned from Starbucks coming to the following conclusions.

 

1. I was greeted by several employees including the manager saying hello and seeing how I was. I ever got a Happy Holidays from the new girl.

 

2. I got charged for a tall drip instead of a quad grande sugar free hazelnut soy no whip mocha ... (on other occasions my drink is sometimes comped if I order a pastry or rang up as a drip refill)

 

3. My drink was pushed ahead of a VERY long line of drinks ahead of me.

 

Granted this could have been a particularly good day for me but I have to say that parts or all of it are quite common in my experiences there. Again, as you said, "why tip the coffee guy for serving you coffee." Why tip the waiter who's bringing you food at a restaurant? Why tip the bellman who brings bags to your hotel room? How about tipping the massage guy as mentioned? If they put in extra effort or go a little beyond expectations, if they have the potential to provide a little extra next time like preferential scheduling, quicker extras at the hotel, or a free dessert?

 

You talk about the people at Starbucks not deserving those things. I dunno, it's kinda like the vicious circle when young people go to nice restaurants get treated below par because the waiters expect a below par tip. Inevitably their actions result in their expectations even if that young person typically tips well (having a brain fart and know there's a technical term for it but can't recall it and it's annoying the crap out of it).

 

For future reference, to get service worthwhile of a tip, remember that a little (just the gesture) goes a long way to make your Starbucks crew want to remember you and give a little something extra next time =-)

 

Regular pocket change could mean a free drink once in a while and faster service if you're in a rush ;-)

 

What say you Rod?

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I rarely if ever tip at Starbucks when I am forced to go there. Why might one ask? Because they are no longer baristas. All they do is push a button and out comes the brown sludge they call espresso. The baristas are no long trained about coffee and all the yumminess that comes with it. They are now trained to push pasteries and frappiwachamacallits. That to me does not warrant a tip. The baristas at Starbucks used to be well trained learning about the different areas the coffee came from even learning how to pour a good shot. But no more! It is all super auto and that does not warrant a tip. And yes Starbucks can afford to pay it's store employees better but they choose not too. As for the ma and pa places most of the time they are operating on a very tight budget honestly barely making it for the first couple of years so I do give them slack on wages.

 

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My holiday tips are very limited. My paper deliveryman especially because he knows after I am away for 2 days or more (he sees the uncollected papers) he stops delivering without me having to phone the office (I travel a lot).

 

The lady who watches over my country chalet when I am away. Her son caught the burglars who robbed me 4 years ago and she is worth more than the alarm company that I contracted for after the robbery (since she goes and turns on the heat 24 hours before I arrive).

 

I do my own yardwork to keep fit, wash my own car, shovel my own driveway, heck, I'm retired and I like to exercise my body as well as my mind. ;)

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>my postman

>in Florida is a nice guy and helps keep the junk mail out of

>the box, so I always give him something for going "above

>and beyond." Did you know it is against the Postal code

>for employees of the post office to accept money?

 

It's also against postal code (I think even illegal) for them not to deliver all the mail, including junk. Tip well.

 

Kevin Slater

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RE: Tipping at Starbucks

 

Scott makes some interesting points. It should be noted that people who have experience working in the service business tend to share the same view on tipping: tip and be generous.

 

"the fact that the government AUTOMATICALLY TAXES THEM based on an assumed hourly tip wage"

 

If Starbucks employees are forced to declare tips in the same manner that restaurant waiters and hairdressers are now required, then these employees are, in fact, deserving of tips. Any automatic calculation by the IRS is completely unfair for these employees. I would also argue that Starbucks should inform their customers if this is the case (framed signage). Maybe Starbucks management should offer table service to encourage more tipping.

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RE: Tipping at Starbucks

 

Sbux baristas are tax on tips which ome out of their checks. As for how much I don't remember since I haven't worked for the co since 02.

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