Why does RM prevent people who escorts have blocked from leaving reviews.

[nyc80]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but why does blocking a member prevent that member from leaving a review? The escorts know that if they behave badly or don't deliver the services promised that all they need to do is block the  wronged member, and a review which is really the only recourse then becomes impossible. Ive had one escort with high reviews be very rude to me in the initial conversation and then block me because I had the nerve to ask why he would need my photo. I had another who left hours early from an overnight because he was bored, collected full payment, and then immediately blocked me when he got home. 

[TallMuscl37]

Because it’s RentMen. 
 

They want to be on the escorts side (we’re paying them every month). They want to also be on the client’s side (hence why you get to leave reviews). Issue is, it leaves a midground of, who’s looking out for who? 
 

That said, the only way you’ll get an appropriate answer is to contact RentM directly. An escort being rude in an email to you, isn’t going to compel RentMen to get a review published (and who knows, maybe you came off rude so…how fair would it be for RentMen to take sides or play mediator?). But getting actually ripped off might. 

Edited July 21, 2021 by Jarrod_Uncut

[nyc80]

I didn't mean to say that being blocked by someone for asking a valid question they dislike should lead to a complaint or a bad review. There are two sides to every story so perhaps I did unintentionally come across as rude, but when an escort asks for a photo after 2 or 3 polite exchanges, and a member writes back "Isn't that a bit of an unusual request under these circumstances" it was certainly not my intent to be rude but rather what I thought was a legitimate question. The surprising thing was prior to being blocked was  reading all of the reviews saying what a great guy he was. Maybe I just caught him on a bad day, but then I realized many both minor problems and the worst reviews or issues will never come to light simply because most escorts are smart enough to automatically block anyone they have wronged in either a small way or a large way as that is common sense. I would think to promote safety, avoid bad actors from abusing the site ,  and to not alienate the people  who pay the earnings of the people who pay website that it would be to everyone's benefit to have a fair trustworthy review system. There will always be people will complain needlessly and have unreasonable expectations, but if more reviews were allowed to be posted. it would at least give members a more accurate and fair overall picture which would be good for both members and the escorts.

[Guest leftbench23]

And RM allows escorts to easily remove a bad review, so that is why I have stopped leaving them all together and only discuss them here on the forum. 

[Kevin Slater]

5 hours ago, nyc80 said:

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but why does blocking a member prevent that member from leaving a review? The escorts know that if they behave badly or don't deliver the services promised that all they need to do is block the  wronged member, and a review which is really the only recourse then becomes impossible. Ive had one escort with high reviews be very rude to me in the initial conversation and then block me because I had the nerve to ask why he would need my photo. I had another who left hours early from an overnight because he was bored, collected full payment, and then immediately blocked me when he got home. 

I would guess for exactly this reason.  You never even met the guy but your nose is out of joint because of an email exchange and you want to submit a bad review?  Remember, Daddy never let you review a guy you've never actually met, and that's the right call.  Rentmen doesn't need to be in the position of negotiating a bunch of (what's the male equivalent of a Karen?) wanting to rate a service they've never experienced.

Kevin Slater

[Guest leftbench23]

There needs to be a review option for when escorts flake. I have had multiple confirmed appointments with providers (reputable and new) that seemed to drop off the face of the Earth when it came time for our schedule appointment. That is where the forum is helpful, but not everyone browses the forum.

[nyc80]

Kevin, we obviously come from different perspectives, but accusing someone you don't know of being a Karen is really unfair especially when I specifically said there are two sides to every story, and admitted perhaps I unintentionally did something to cause offense. That was used as an example of a minor thing that can get somebody blocked. If I was carrying around anger or was really upset about it I could have chosen to name names and I specifically didn't do that. That was an example in a post questioning a much larger issue. The fact that you seized on it, were so dismissive, and resorted to name calling makes me wonder perhaps if you have had an issue where you felt you were unfairly called rude or unprofessional and that is why you are so bothered?  You seem more upset and invested in a story you only know second hand, and had no part in than I am. Projection maybe?  Perhaps those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones? Personally, I would not leave a bad review for an escort who flaked or was rude on RM messenger or text, but I believe it someone chose to that that in and of itself is not wrong. It was their subjective experience and as long as they don't lie, what difference does it make when if the behavior is out of character or the person experiencing it is being dramatic as it will be outweighed by the many reviews that don't cite it as an issue or contradict it. If the best restaurant in town had great in house service and food, but downright atrocious rude service on the reservation line, would it be wrong for a critic to factor that into a review.? I'm sorry that your experiences in life have caused you to make such blind assumptions, call a stranger names, and has bent you so out of shape. I at least hope your little go at me brings you some pleasure or sheds some of your excess frustrations and anger and then I have done you a service without even intending to.

Edited July 21, 2021 by nyc80

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Once again, this is why 'Daddys Reviews' needs to exist, as a viable second review option to RentMen.

One source for this kind of info is never a good idea for any industry.  It's too much power for one site.  It needs to be spread around a bit.

 

51 minutes ago, nyc80 said:

Kevin, we obviously come from different perspectives, but accusing someone you don't know of being a Karen is really unfair especially when I specifically said there are two sides to every story, and admitted perhaps I unintentionally did something to cause offense. That was used as an example of a minor thing that can get somebody blocked. If I was carrying around anger or was really upset about it I could have chosen to name names and I specifically didn't do that. That was an example in a post questioning a much larger issue. The fact that you seized on it, were so dismissive, and resorted to name calling makes me wonder perhaps if you have has an issue where you felt you were unfairly called rude or unprofessional and that is why you are so bothered?  You seem more upset and invested in a story you only know second hand, and had no part in than I am. Projection maybe?  Perhaps those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones? Personally, I would not leave a bad review for an escort who flaked or was rude on RM messenger or text, but I believe it someone chose to that that in and of itself is not wrong. It was their subjective experience and as long as they don't lie, what difference does it make when if the behavior is out of character or the person experiencing it is being dramatic as it will be outweighed by the many reviews that don't cite it as an issue or contradict it. If the best restaurant in town had great in house service and food, but downright atrocious rude service on the reservation line, would it be wrong for a critic to factor that into a review.? I'm sorry that your experiences in life have caused you to make such blind assumptions, call a stranger names, and has bent you so out of shape. I at least hope your little go at me brings you some pleasure or sheds some of your excess frustrations and anger and then I have done you a service without even intending to.

 

Kevin is a good guy and you're reading into this way, way too much. 

If 'Karen' is the worst thing you're being called here, consider yourself lucky

[nyc80]

I should have known that even writing a post simply questioning what I believed to be an illogical policy without meaning to get anyone bent out of shape would lead to some kind of heat. I wouldn't be a newbie and it wouldn't be my first post without that:) I apologize if I unknowingly attacked a sacred cow or if my original post was not as fair and evenhanded as I thought it was. The older I get the more I try to avoid making assumptions and realizing that two people may have very different perceptions  even having experienced the exact same event. That being said I am human, and I apologize if my response was not as gracious, humble, or assumption free as it should have been. Benjamin, thanks for the advice and your kind words:)

Edited July 21, 2021 by nyc80

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

58 minutes ago, nyc80 said:

I should have known that even writing a post simply questioning what I believed to be an illogical policy without meaning to get anyone bent out of shape would lead to some kind of heat. I wouldn't be a newbie and it wouldn't be my first post without that:) I apologize if I unknowingly attacked a sacred cow or if my original post was not as fair and evenhanded as I thought it was. The older I get the more I try to avoid making assumptions and realizing that two people may have very different perceptions  even having experienced the exact same event. That being said I am human, and I apologize if my response was not as gracious, humble, or assumption free as it should have been. Benjamin, thanks for the advice and your kind words:)

I think the thing we all miss with any internet post is audible cadence.  It makes all the difference.

This isn't a sacred cow thing...  It's just a roll-with-the-punches thing.  Steven isn't known for being an asshole (and really wasn't in this instance, either).

 

Stick around.  Ask more questions.  Don't take anything personally.  Remember that you have the gift of anonymity here.  

[Rod Hagen]

This thread is funny.  RentMen gives escorts publishing power because we pay them.  That's exactly why Aaron Lawrence told Hooboy, nearly 25 years ago, that his site needs to be free.    Also, Kevin was 100% right.

[HoleTrainer]

Blocking is a hard boundary that means “you may not engage with me anymore in any way”.  You’re really asking why RM allows escorts, whose work is criminalized and highly stigmatized, to create this hard boundary?  Negative reviews are often used as a weapon by clients against escorts.  If someone had such a bad time on their overnight with you that they needed to leave early AND block you, and you’re still insistent that you should be allowed to engage with this escort digitally, then you probably have bigger issues than not being allowed to leave a review.  When an escort blocks you or declines to see you, simply move on.  Even if someone left your session early, that’s not a rip off.  Escorts have no obligation to complete a session if we aren’t being treated well.  Being treated well is subjective, but you’re obviously finding ways to be accidentally rude that you’re unaware of, considering you don’t understand how questioning an escort’s required screening procedure led to you getting blocked.  Learn from your mistakes and move on rather than questioning why escorts are allowed to create hard boundaries with clients who they don’t want to engage with in the future.  You’re not entitled to remain qualified to book and or review escorts simply because you’re a client.  Being allowed to engage with us in any form is a privilege.  If you lose that privilege with one escort then simply move on to someone else, and try not to repeat whatever behaviors led to you getting blocked if it bothers you so much.

Edited July 21, 2021 by HoleTrainer

[maninsoma]

Rentmen reviews are largely worthless.  The only ones I give any credence to are those left by clients who are obviously genuine (for example, some reviewers use the same name there that they use on this website). 

[nyc80]

I find it funny that if a provider who was acting more and more bizarre over the course of the evening and taking multiple bathroom breaks, leaves 4 hours early, keeps full payment that he quoted for a much larger amount of time that is somehow my fault and the provider did not rip me off (I suppose that is also my fault as I should have administered a drug test, patted him down, and immediately recognized what was happening when the character change was gradual. A provider  can charge $5,000.00 and leave after 10 minutes because it is his choice when he leaves according to your logic. Did you really believe in what you just typed? Do you dislike your clients so much that you always find a reason to side with a provider even when you don't know all the facts and you have basically endorsed the right to rip off clients? I never suggested a blocked person should be able to continue to  communicate with  a provider. I simply said they should be able to leave a one time review. That does not imply direct, continued, unwanted contact as you seem to falsely insinuate. There are some clients who are bad apples, but there are also just as many providers that rip clients off, steal, blackmail, and try to take advantage. Apparently after a year of being on the site I may or may not have inadvertently offended 2 people so I must have a problematic personality since that never happens to normal people.  Are you just a little ashamed for making these crazy arguments or can you actually use logic and not just always blame the client before having all the facts? I'm happy to engage with others and try to understand, but I refuse to engage with the disingenuous or the foolish. You must be one or the other to have made those types of ridiculous arguments past the age of 8 supported by no reasoning other than your badly supported beliefs and desires. 

 

Edited July 21, 2021 by nyc80

[TallMuscl37]

[TallMuscl37]

19 hours ago, nyc80 said:

I didn't mean to say that being blocked by someone for asking a valid question they dislike should lead to a complaint or a bad review. There are two sides to every story so perhaps I did unintentionally come across as rude, but when an escort asks for a photo after 2 or 3 polite exchanges, and a member writes back "Isn't that a bit of an unusual request under these circumstances" it was certainly not my intent to be rude but rather what I thought was a legitimate question. The surprising thing was prior to being blocked was  reading all of the reviews saying what a great guy he was. Maybe I just caught him on a bad day, but then I realized many both minor problems and the worst reviews or issues will never come to light simply because most escorts are smart enough to automatically block anyone they have wronged in either a small way or a large way as that is common sense. I would think to promote safety, avoid bad actors from abusing the site ,  and to not alienate the people  who pay the earnings of the people who pay website that it would be to everyone's benefit to have a fair trustworthy review system. There will always be people will complain needlessly and have unreasonable expectations, but if more reviews were allowed to be posted. it would at least give members a more accurate and fair overall picture which would be good for both members and the escorts.

I’m certainly not negating your experience. And yeah, maybe you did contact him on a bad day or bad time of day. We all have them. I know I have them. 
 

I know you probably feel that escort reviews should be as fair as leaving a Yelp or Google review. You can walk into a store, and if a clerk is rude, you can write a bad review without having ever brought anything. Again, I don’t know the details behind RentMen’s determination and review process. But, I think your assessing the matter moreso about the escort, versus the review process. Fact is: you had a bad time with the provider. I don’t know why the person would leave early and block you. Why? Why would he do that? What happened at the moments leading up to that happening? 
 

HOWEVER, I do agree that you should still be able to leave a review if someone you hired blocked you, but I also believe we as escorts should be able to review clients (in a confidential way) on the site as well, and I’m still waiting on that… 

[nyc80]

Thanks for all of the replies. Ultimately I still think the system of linking access to a profile with leaving a review creates odd results. A provider who knows they have behaved badly is much more like to just preemptively block a client rather than take the hit of a bad review whereas a provider who is just having an off day or is hired by a client who is not a good match seems less likely to proactively block someone and then must take the hit of a bad review. I do understand the frustration of having a system where clients can say what they want only from their own perspective, and there is little ability to defend yourselves. My hope would be that a more open system would encourage more reviews making it easier to identify unfair or inaccurate reviews, and also much more quickly weed out those who truly are disreputable. I realize now citing the two examples I had with blocking was a mistake. It was not an attempt to call anyone out, name names, or get any type of vindication or validation. It was from my point of view the reason some are blocked for (IMO) rather trivial things and other times there are providers who  know they have behaved in a way that most would find as wrong, (of course there are many times that a client is blocked completely due to their own bad behavior) so linking the ability to give a review with the blocking system seems unjustified as blocks happen for so may different reasons so gathering anything from them is useless. A few people seem really invested in creating scenarios where I must be a jerk who was deserving of the blocks, and this post was an attempt primarily to whine about that and I am just itching to leave these two people bad reviews as some sort of misguided revenge or tit for tat. In my mind the first example was to illustrate that not every blocked person would leave a bad review most would recognize even if they thought the block was silly it would not really justify taking the time to write a review.  However even if I am all the things you assume, it doesn't matter unless you want to argue that the system should stay as is, and that bad actors don't block a person who has a legitimate grievance that will likely result in a justified poor review. I just was trying  to understand if I was correct in how the system worked, if there was any logical reason for it. I did not foresee being called out by people that weren't there for 2 examples that I used to explain why I find it doesn't make sense. Discrediting me doesn't invalidate the question or the concern that some blocks may be more about avoiding a bad review than anything the blocked client may have done. Perhaps in the scheme of things that is better than the alternative, but claiming I'm personally a complainer deserving to be blocked who is always looking to leave a bad review does little to address the underlying merits of the policy.

Edited July 23, 2021 by nyc80

[Guest]

On 7/22/2021 at 5:22 PM, nyc80 said:

Ultimately I still think the system of linking access to a profile with leaving a review creates odd results. 

Without passing judgement on the specific situation you've experienced, I think it's worth noting that not being blocked is not the only requirement for reviewing an escort on RM. You also have to have met (or convince RM admins that you met) him. If this seems weird to you, consider the alternatives. Any client can review any escort? A recipe for chaos and trolling. If you have suggestions for another way for RM to manage things, I'd be open to hearing it. 

As @Benjamin_Nicholaspoints out, this forum and daddy's reviews have existed to fill a niche that listing sites existentially can't. Your frustration seems heartfelt, and in these sites you have options to act upon that frustration, and let other clients form their own opinions of the escort in question. 

RM is what it is-we escorts have plenty of bones to pick with it too. All I can suggest is that you don't let it get you down. Experienced clients aren't stupid, they know what RM reviews do and don't say about an escort. 

[coriolis888]

On 7/21/2021 at 10:58 AM, HoleTrainer said:

snip - 

Negative reviews are often used as a weapon by clients against escorts.  If someone had such a bad time on their overnight with you that they needed to leave early AND block you, and you’re still insistent that you should be allowed to engage with this escort digitally, then you probably have bigger issues than not being allowed to leave a review.  When an escort blocks you or declines to see you, simply move on.  Even if someone left your session early, that’s not a rip off.  Escorts have no obligation to complete a session if we aren’t being treated well.  Being treated well is subjective, but you’re obviously finding ways to be accidentally rude that you’re unaware of, considering you don’t understand how questioning an escort’s required screening procedure led to you getting blocked.  Learn from your mistakes and move on rather than questioning why escorts are allowed to create hard boundaries with clients who they don’t want to engage with in the future.  "You’re not entitled to remain qualified to book and or review escorts simply because you’re a client.  Being allowed to engage with us in any form is a privilege." 

snip

You are saying that if a client pays an escort fee (often in excess of a thousand dollars) for an overnight and the escort leaves early "that's not a rip off"

I doubt any reasonable person would agree about no "rip off" if the escort collects the full fee and leaves ahead of the agreed time.
 

You also said "Being allowed to engage with us in any form is a privilege."  

So, in your opinion, a client "engaging" with an escort in any forum is a privilege"

 

You have some unconventional ideas.  

After reading your comments, I must say that I agree with another poster in this forum who evaluated some of your posts from not long ago. 

Please see below:

 

 

Edited July 24, 2021 by coriolis888

[sjmuktop]

On 7/24/2021 at 7:13 AM, coriolis888 said:

You are saying that if a client pays an escort fee (often in excess of a thousand dollars) for an overnight and the escort leaves early "that's not a rip off"

I doubt any reasonable person would agree about no "rip off" if the escort collects the full fee and leaves ahead of the agreed time.
 

You also said "Being allowed to engage with us in any form is a privilege."  

So, in your opinion, a client "engaging" with an escort in any forum is a privilege"

 

You have some unconventional ideas.  

After reading your comments, I must say that I agree with another poster in this forum who evaluated some of your posts from not long ago. 

Please see below:

 

 

Reading this guy's comments on here, it is clear to me that he views clients with absolute contempt. 

"Being allowed to engage with us in any form is a privilege" - oh, really? If that's his attitude, then he's definitely one provider to avoid like the plague.

I was astounded when he said that an escort taking full payment for an agreed amount of time (for an overnight session) and leaving early is acceptable. 

So many red flags with this guy in his attitude that comes through in his comments here on this post.

Less interested in providing a good quality service and making clients happy and treating them with respect and kindness (a two-way thing), and more concerned just about taking money, obviously. He is extremely rude, arrogant and as we say here in the UK, "up his own arse". Really not attractive qualities in any person, never mind a provider. 

 

 

Edited July 29, 2021 by sjmuktop

[maninsoma]

3 hours ago, sjmuktop said:

Reading this guy's comments on here, it is clear to me that he views clients with absolute contempt. 

"Being allowed to engage with us in any form is a privilege" - oh, really? If that's his attitude, then he's definitely one provider to avoid like the plague.

I was astounded when he said that an escort taking full payment for an agreed amount of time (for an overnight session) and leaving early is acceptable. 

So many red flags with this guy in his attitude that comes through in his comments here on this post.

Less interested in providing a good quality service and making clients happy and treating them with respect and kindness (a two-way thing), and more concerned just about taking money, obviously. He is extremely rude, arrogant and as we say here in the UK, "up his own arse". Really not attractive qualities in any person, never mind a provider. 

 

 

Maybe he's just trying to create an image of being an asshole but is really nice? 

Nah, I doubt that. 

Didn't he previously suggest that it should be the norm that clients send money to people who advertise before even meeting them as some sort of display of goodwill or seriousness, and if a client ends up getting ripped off because the guy doesn't show up it really isn't a big deal?

[+ RJD]

3 hours ago, maninsoma said:

Didn't he previously suggest that it should be the norm that clients send money to people who advertise before even meeting them as some sort of display of goodwill or seriousness, and if a client ends up getting ripped off because the guy doesn't show up it really isn't a big deal?

Sure did.  According to him, not only isn't it a big deal, it's the client's fault....

https://www.companyofmen.org/topic/127473-will-you-pay-a-deposit-to-a-stranger/?do=findComment&comment=1853294

 

[HoleTrainer]

On 7/29/2021 at 3:56 AM, sjmuktop said:

“Being allowed to engage with us in any form is a privilege" - oh, really? If that's his attitude, then he's definitely one provider to avoid like the plague.

Please DO avoid me if you think that you’re entitled to engage with an escort who does not want to engage with you!  The entire point of posting things like this is to make sure that clients like you do in fact stay away from me.  Plenty of fish in the sea, and plenty of clients out there who recognize that being allowed to hire and engage with us is a privilege and not a right.  

[coriolis888]

On 8/1/2021 at 1:34 PM, HoleTrainer said:

Please DO avoid me if you think that you’re entitled to engage with an escort who does not want to engage with you!  The entire point of posting things like this is to make sure that clients like you do in fact stay away from me.  Plenty of fish in the sea, and plenty of clients out there who recognize that being allowed to hire and engage with us is a privilege and not a right.  

Is the "pillow man supplying you with material for all your strange posts?

[Alexphilly]

My God I thought this topic was dead already.