escorts offering to bareback

pierrot · May 24, 2008

Twice recently I've hired well known escorts who offered to bareback with me. I was rather surprised both times as I had specifically said "safe only" ahead of time. But then I guess most escorts don't really read the info you send.

But what really gets me is that these guys are stupid enough to bareback. Don't they know the dangers? Even if they top?

It makes me wonder if I'm doing the right thing even hiring guys that bareback other people even though they use condoms with me.

twinkboylover28 · May 24, 2008

What are the HIV dangers of barebacking as a Top?

May 24, 2008

Infections go "up" as well as "go down."

Sorry to see that you're so uninformed. x(

+ *deej* · May 24, 2008

After describing how he rimmed a kid who had a white powdery residue around his anus you're surprised at *anything* he says?

Bearman · May 24, 2008

>After describing how he rimmed a kid who had a white powdery

>residue around his anus you're surprised at *anything* he

>says?

I missed that one, where and when was that posted?! }(

Luv2play · May 24, 2008

The question I would ask is why were you surprised? Did you hire these two "well known" escorts on the basis of reviews on this site, ads on Rentboy or some similar site or from some source like Craigslist? If you relied on reviews or ads on the Internet, did the information that was provided indicate that the escort always practiced safer sex? If so, then I can see why you would be surprised. If not, then I think it would be incumbent on you to ask during the preliminary contacts what the escort's practice was concerning safer sex. Then there would be no reason for surprise at a later stage unless they were less than forthcoming in the initial response.

May 24, 2008

IMO anyone thats willing to have bareback sex already has aids. even if they use condoms with you who's to say they don't bareback in their personally life.. you should assume everyone has aids and use a condom..

pierrot · May 24, 2008

I read their reviews here and looked at their Rentboy ads. I also specifically told them in e-mails that I'm a "safe only" kind of guy. But I've found it almost universal that escorts never read those e-mails very closely.

JT Brooklyn · May 24, 2008

Those that have a "White Powdery Substance" around the Anus usually call it..Johnson & Johnson Baby Powder, At least I do!

Unfortunately It does look like Babrebacking is making a comeback, among the Young and Stupid! of course along with the HIV Numbers going up.

IF you can't LEARN from your own mistakes in life at least SADLY LEARN from others! Working Guys of ALL people should know this but SOME are "driven" by the Profit Motive. Which in turn, the bottom line could drive them to the Cemetary!

Bart · May 25, 2008

I would also check after he disembarks to see that the condom is still there. Twice, it has happened to me that the escort has cum while screwing me only later for me to discover that the condom was left in me. The majority of the time I prefer to get screwed while on my stomach or doggy and I do not always look back. I do check on going in as i see the wrapper and I like watching the guy put it on anyway. Twice it has come off but the escort has fished it out right away.

bartleby · May 25, 2008

According to the American CDC bareback topping is not as dangerous as bareback bottoming, it is closer in risk level to that of giving a good bj. This explains why there are plenty of men (including some escorts) who are willing to bareback top but who don't bareback bottom and who remain HIV-ngeative. "Safe sex" for many of these guys means "I never get fucekd" or "I never get fucked raw."

The "estimated per-act risk for acquisition of HIV, by exposure route"...the risk per 10,000 exposures to an infected source:

Blood transfusion 9,000

Needle sharing injection-drug use 67

Receptive anal intercourse 50

Receptive penile-vaginal intercourse 10

Insertive anal intercourse 5

Receptive oral intercourse 1

Insertive oral intercourse 0.5

These CDC stats are easily checked out:

http://depts.washington.edu/hivaids/post/case5/fig1d.html

http://depts.washington.edu/hivaids/post/case5/discussion.html

pierrot · May 25, 2008

It won't come off if you chose escorts who have big dicks that stay hard.. It's small and/or soft dicks that loose the condom. Never happened to me though, I'll admit. I like the big boys though.

twinkboylover28 · May 25, 2008

NCM2169 wrote:

<<Infections go "up" as well as "go down."

Sorry to see that you're so uninformed.

<<<

Obviously I was playing devils advocate.

twinkboylover28 · May 25, 2008

>IMO anyone thats willing to have bareback sex already has

>aids. even if they use condoms with you who's to say they

>don't bareback in their personally life.. you should assume

>everyone has aids and use a condom..

I agree 110%

twinkboylover28 · May 25, 2008

>Hi Pierrot,

>

>I entirely (!) agree with JosephGA. That is, they may not have

>AIDS (yet), but they certainly will be HIV+ .

>

>In other words, if a guy offers to bareback (no matter an

>escort or someone else you hook up with), then that's not the

>first time he's offering or doing it, so you must assume he is

>HIV+. At that moment, the choice to have sex or not with the

>guy is yours.

>

>I guess I must have had sex with more than 1000 different men.

>In bigger cities an average of one-third is HIV+ . That

>applies to Amsterdam as well, so I must have had sex with more

>than 300 men who are HIV+ . I'm still HIV- , so sticking to a

>few simple rules must have kept me that way. :-)

>

>Back to your question. You should be fine when using condoms,

>but nothing is 100% guaranteed. If the condom breaks and if

>the guys you're with is HIV+ and if he has precum, then

>there's a slight risk. However, that risk is also there if you

>don't know the HIV status of any other guy that you're with.

>

>So don't let me scare you needlessly by mentioning the

>possebility of a condom breaking. How often did that happen to

>you in the past? In addition, don't forget what I said about

>myself having had sex with over 300 HIV+ men.

>

>I hope this helps.

>

>Anton/Amsterdam.

>

Good points. Also, HIV isn't the only thing to be concerned about if you're barebacking (herpes, gono, etc)

twinkboylover28 · May 25, 2008

>After describing how he rimmed a kid who had a white powdery

>residue around his anus you're surprised at *anything* he

>says?

After doing a Google search it appears I'm not the only one who had this concern. Plus I've read MANY similar issues on Yahoo, AOL, and other gay-oriented websites.

http://www.mcgill.ca/studenthealth/ask/sti/#ALDARA

Hey Dr. T,

I have had a few anal abscesses on and next to the rectum area, and once I had some ripping from anal sex, and now and then after showering and with no BM there is a white pasty film. I have HPV, and have been on Aldara for the HPV, but I'm wondering what would cause the white pasty film in and around the rectum area.

-Wondering

Hi Wondering,

If I understand correctly, you have white pasty material on the skin around your anus, and you are using Aldara on the anal skin as well. The white pasty discharge could be due to the Aldara, could be due to a fungal infection, or could be another form of infection. The best way to make the diagnosis would be to have someone look at it.

twinkboylover28 · May 25, 2008

>According to the American CDC bareback topping is not as

>dangerous as bareback bottoming, it is closer in risk level to

>that of giving a good bj. This explains why there are plenty

>of men (including some escorts) who are willing to bareback

>top but who don't bareback bottom and who remain HIV-ngeative.

> "Safe sex" for many of these guys means "I

>never get fucekd" or "I never get fucked raw."

>

>The "estimated per-act risk for acquisition of HIV, by

>exposure route"...the risk per 10,000 exposures to an

>infected source:

>

>Blood transfusion 9,000

>Needle sharing injection-drug use 67

>Receptive anal intercourse 50

>Receptive penile-vaginal intercourse 10

>Insertive anal intercourse 5

>Receptive oral intercourse 1

>Insertive oral intercourse 0.5

>

>These CDC stats are easily checked out:

>http://depts.washington.edu/hivaids/post/case5/fig1d.html

>http://depts.washington.edu/hivaids/post/case5/discussion.html

>

It's amazing how uninformed NCM is about infections going "up" and

"down."

The bottom line is no one should be "shamed" when asking questions about STD's.

Thanks for the excellent stats!

seaboy4hire · May 25, 2008

>It won't come off if you chose escorts who have big dicks

>that stay hard.. It's small and/or soft dicks that loose the

>condom. Never happened to me though, I'll admit. I like the

>big boys though.

You're kidding right? Please say you are, pretty please. Honestly it doesn't matter what size cock the guy has condoms slide off no matter if they are hung like a flea or a horse. As mostly a bottom I've had them slip off some nicely well hung men and I know the top didn't take it off as I was on my back legs up and I put the rubber on him myself. Please don't misinform the readers with such silliness on what many consider a serious issue.

Hugs,

Greg

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May 25, 2008

About the statement that barebacking is safer for the top. Remember that studies have shown that uncircumcized men are much more likely to become infected in vaginal intercourse than cut men, and the same reasoning undoubtedly applies to anal intercourse. The skin of the head and inside the forskin are very thin and more receptive to the virus. If tops did not become infected, bottoming would be safe, but of course both do become infected. Anal intercourse is never safe, only safer under some circumstances. Accidents happen. Condums break and come off etc.

One way to make sex safer is to assume that all are infected. But also, avoid sex with anyone known or suspected to be infected. There is no way to know but sometimes you have reasons to suspect it. If he is willing to bareback is a give away, for instance.

twinkboylover28 · May 25, 2008

Is unprotected rimming safe for the one being rimmed (eaten out)?

May 26, 2008

I was partnered for 11 years with somebody who was HIV+ and am still HIV-. I am not trying to flame in this thread, but, sometimes I just get really frustrated with things that people say about barebacking, HIV, etc.

The stats posted from the CDC kind of say it all. Are there variables? Of course. Unprotected, receptive anal sex with a partner who is HIV+ has a 1 in 50 chance of contracting the HIV virus - not odds that'd make many smart people comfortable doing it. But, there are circumstances where it is more likely that you will be exposed - such as using a lubricant with N-9 or not using lube or the presence of other STD's or, perhaps most importantly, the viral load of the person with whom you are having sex. Unprotected insertive anal intercourse with an HIV+ partner results in a 1 in 2,000 chance of contracting the virus - 40 times lower odds than receptive. That's a big, big difference. Of course, some of the same variables apply, some different ones. As a matter of fact, giving somebody head without a condom is only 5 times less likely to spread the virus than insertive anal intercourse. How many of us regularly give oral sex without a condom?

The only responsible thing to do, in my opinion, is to establish what your comfort level with sexual activity is - regardless of your belief or knowledge of your partner's HIV status - and stick with that. The thought that you should be more careful if you know your partner is HIV+, to me, is just hogwash. The only way to KNOW whether your partner is HIV+ or not is to be with them for several months to know they don't have sex with anybody else in that time and then go with them to test. Otherwise, you're assuming that what they tell you is the truth AND that they have been tested recently AND that they haven't done anything even remotely dangerous (including receiving an unprotected blowjob with a 0.5 in 10,000 chance of transmission) since the last time they got tested.

As to the question of being rimmed, while HIV has been found in very low quantities in saliva, contact with saliva has never been shown to transmit HIV. Now, if you have something going on where there would be mouth to blood contact (cut? sore? I don't want to be disgusting here), it would most likely dramatically increase the risk.

Since my former partner tested +, I have assumed that every person I have been with was + and behaved as such. I don't bottom unless I know a person very, very well. I don't bottom without a condom - EVER. Oral sex is a different animal - I only give it when I'm with somebody I know well and I don't let anybody "finish" in my mouth.

If I met an escort who offered to barback with me, I'd assume that they make that offer to all of their clients and I'd politely refuse; however, it wouldn't make a difference in whether or not I would have sex with them. For all I know, every person I am with has bareback sex with others. Just because they don't *OFFER* it doesn't mean that they don't *ALLOW* it. As a top, I automatically reach for the rubbers, but, from talking to my friends who bareback, I'd imagine that there are a lot of guys who, if I didn't, wouldn't necessarily stop me.

The bottom line for me is that barebacking is an individual choice. Everybody who does it knows the risks they are taking - HIV, Hep B/C, syphillis, gono, HPV, HSV, etc. It's the same with oral sex without a condom - everybody who does it is taking those same risks.

I will do the same things with somebody who barebacks as with somebody who doesn't because I'm comfortable with the risk level of what I do.

May 26, 2008