When a Legit Straight RMT Flirts ... ?

[orville]

I asked because I don't understand your determination to keep your pants on tomorrow?

Cause I think it would be too weird to take my pants off tomorrow making an excuse that something happened in my leg since yesterday, but next week I can say "Oh ... this happened during the weekend and now I need some work on my legs". I don't know ...

[orville]

I don't understand why you think you need a "reason?"

You guys are telling me not to be creepy.

[LivingnLA]

Yes, we only discussed upper back.

 

Yes, and yes.

 

This is now my plan! What would be a credible reason for him to expect me to take my pants off for the last 3 sessions?

 

You had a 30min back session last time? What sort of back issue is it? If it's lower back, pelvis muscles are likely involved. What sort of work was done in the last session? It would be plausible to say the issue remains but feels difficult. Perhaps your glutes now feel like they're pulling? Or is your pelvis anteriorly or posteriorly rotated? In other words, does your pelvis feel like it's pushed forward or backward? Do you have any restrictions for movement? Lower back issues frequently have glute, quad, and/or psoas involvement. All require different approaches depending on what causes the issues for you.

[LivingnLA]

You guys are telling me not to be creepy.

 

It's not creepy to remove your pants if they're work slacks you don't want to wrinkle or if it would make you more comfortable and help you relax. What would make it creepy would be looking right at him and saying you plan to remove your pants and throw in a wink. That would be weird.

[orville]

You had a 30min back session last time?

Yes, if I knew he was going to flirt this way I would have booked a longer time from the beginning, which I did for my session tomorrow.

What sort of back issue is it?

Pain in shoulders and upper back down to the middle back. No lower back involved.

What sort of work was done in the last session?

Deep tissue but the last 15 min he has very sensual with the moaning. Or perhaps it was all in my mind, I don't know.

Perhaps your glutes now feel like they're pulling? Or is your pelvis anteriorly or posteriorly rotated? In other words, does your pelvis feel like it's pushed forward or backward? Do you have any restrictions for movement?

No restrictions of movement. My pelvis is fine. I would definitely love if he "pulls my glutes"

I just don't want to make up anything that he'll know it's fake and then he'd stop seeing me.

[+ sniper]

I guarantee he is not going to ask you why your pants are off. Don't say anything about it. It's just more comfortable. You'll be under the sheet anyway.

[orville]

I guarantee he is not going to ask you why your pants are off. Don't say anything about it. It's just more comfortable. You'll be under the sheet anyway.

I will follow your advice. Hopefully he will think of it as a 2nd sign after my longer session booking today.

At least it will let me know sooner (if he does "more things" tomorrow) that taking my pants off was the right thing to do.

He will know right away that my pants are off because the sheets are light and semi-transparent.

Edited October 10, 2020 by Guy Fawkes

[+ Just966]

I can not imagine getting a massage and keeping my pants on - and I am talking legitimate massage with no expectation of anything happening. That is what the draping that all licensed RMT typically use.

[rustyrex]

I'm in agreement LivingnLA, let the masseur do the driving. Last thing you need is to be banned from a place because you took it too far. Since this place sounds legit I wouldn't be pushing anything. Even if he is pressing his semi hard cock on you....it could be a ploy for a better tip or it could be a cellphone in his pocket. If I were in your situation, I would be telling him how good he is at his technique and that his cellphone pressed up against me a couple times. He will either apologize or tell you it's not a cell phone....just his hard dick. Innocent enough to bring up in conversation, yet direct enough to get answer.

[orville]

I'm in agreement LivingnLA, let the masseur do the driving. Last thing you need is to be banned from a place because you took it too far. Since this place sounds legit I wouldn't be pushing anything. Even if he is pressing his semi hard cock on you....it could be a ploy for a better tip or it could be a cellphone in his pocket. If I were in your situation, I would be telling him how good he is at his technique and that his cellphone pressed up against me a couple times. He will either apologize or tell you it's not a cell phone....just his hard dick. Innocent enough to bring up in conversation, yet direct enough to get answer.

If he ever pushes his semi-hard against my elbow again I will say "that feels good" or "yes, right there"

I think I'm learning from you guys.

[+ azdr0710]

Leave underwear on and cover it with the draping before he comes back in. That is normal. Don't say anything about pants off or lower back pain or whatever. If he asks why no pants, just say they're too constricting. Mention he did a great job yesterday and it felt great and you're back. Don't mention anything sexual. He'll lead if he wants to do something, but don't insult him by being too obvious. My earlier suggestions upthread are all you should do.

[OrBlanc]

basically...match, don't escalate. This may take time to develop.

 

I think when dealing with someone who presents themselves as "straight", this is 100% the best piece of advice you will get. Match his vibe and see if he escalates it further, specially in this type of situation it's probably better to not be the initiator.

[LivingnLA]

Yes, if I knew he was going to flirt this way I would have booked a longer time from the beginning, which I did for my session tomorrow.

 

Pain in shoulders and upper back down to the middle back. No lower back involved.

 

Deep tissue but the last 15 min he has very sensual with the moaning. Or perhaps it was all in my mind, I don't know.

 

No restrictions of movement. My pelvis is fine. I would definitely love if he "pulls my glutes"

I just don't want to make up anything that he'll know it's fake and then he'd stop seeing me.

 

Don't be too eager or pushy. As others have said, follow his lead. This is risky for him. Though, why did he do it? Are you famous? A local celeb or something? It's very unlikely, but could this be some kind of set up? You could overthink this all day. It's best to try and relax and go with the flow. You'll at least get some good massage out of it.

 

Ok, so did he do any anterior chest and neck work? All of those muscles are typically involved in shoulder and upper back issues. Don't make up anything. Just mention stuff that's happening in your body.

[Wolfer]

This is such a fun read! Can't wait to hear the updates!

[MscleLovr]

This is such a fun read! Can't wait to hear the updates!

I totally agree @Wolfer. I woke up this morning and read this…and thanks to @orville I’ve been transported back in time to the 19th Century and a romantic melodrama.

 

Why be so nervous and retiring @orville? Do you think your “straight RMT” will have a fit of the vapours if he glimpses your burgeoning interest in him?

 

I’m a massage addict and I’ve had hundreds over the years. Mostly male masseurs but I have always been naked…even when massaged in the open air at the beach.

 

I say Enjoy the flirting for what it is - simple fun.

Given that you strangely kept your pants on last time, just tell him I thought I’d get naked so you can really work on me; I hope that’s OK. He won’t object.

Don’t be crass but when he leans into you and touches you or he uses his hands in ways you like, tell him so: say That feels good or Oh, that’s so nice.

If you want more pressure in certain areas, just say so: I like that but you can go firmer/deeper if you like.

And if his cock brushes against you, just sigh with pleasure. If he positions his cock near your hand, just brush against it lightly.

Let him set the pace and the boundaries.

 

I’ve had straight masseurs do more than usual, even tho or because they know I’m gay. One just brushed my cock lightly and I twitched responsively so he stroked me more and brought me off. Another guy worked on my thighs and stroked my perineum before bringing me to climax without touching my cock. A cute Israeli guy asked me if I wanted him to ”relieve my tension” and he kindly used a warm washcloth to clean me up afterwards. The oddest guy commented that I have a pretty cock and asked me if he could suck me off; afterwards he reassured me he wasn’t gay but he”loved the taste of cum”!

[orville]

Don't be too eager or pushy. As others have said, follow his lead.

After talking to my pillow all night I think everyone who suggested this is right.

If there is something that characterizes the straight male mindset is that they are in control and they take the lead.

I will be in the lookout to see if he does something "more interesting" today and respond "accordingly".

Edited October 10, 2020 by orville

[orville]

I’ve had straight masseurs do more than usual, even tho or because they know I’m gay. One just brushed my cock lightly and I twitched responsively so he stroked me more and brought me off. Another guy worked on my thighs and stroked my perineum before bringing me to climax without touching my cock. A cute Israeli guy asked me if I wanted him to ”relieve my tension” and he kindly used a warm washcloth to clean me up afterwards. The oddest guy commented that I have a pretty cock and asked me if he could suck me off; afterwards he reassured me he wasn’t gay but he”loved the taste of cum”!

Thanks for the stories.

I've been told several times that from my interaction I don't come across as gay.

But I really wish, either straight or bi, that this masseur sees himself being on the "insertive" side of things.

[Daverwr]

@orville I totally understand your trepidation. I’m never sure what’s expected, what’s flirting, and what’s “Opps, I didn’t mean to touch that.” That is why I use escorts and not masseurs. No confusion. What I would do, and I’m probably too late for today, is wear a jock strap. I’d take off my pants and keep the jock on and draped. And remember, pain/soreness can move and extend. There is nothing to say that your back pain is moving to the lower back. That might help prove things. Good luck and beyond anything relax and enjoy. Isn’t that the point to getting a massage?

[Phil_musc]

I totally agree @Wolfer. I woke up this morning and read this…and thanks to @orville I’ve been transported back in time to the 19th Century and a romantic melodrama.

 

Why be so nervous and retiring @orville? Do you think your “straight RMT” will have a fit of the vapours if he glimpses your burgeoning interest in him?

 

I’m a massage addict and I’ve had hundreds over the years. Mostly male masseurs but I have always been naked…even when massaged in the open air at the beach.

 

I say Enjoy the flirting for what it is - simple fun.

Given that you strangely kept your pants on last time, just tell him I thought I’d get naked so you can really work on me; I hope that’s OK. He won’t object.

Don’t be crass but when he leans into you and touches you or he uses his hands in ways you like, tell him so: say That feels good or Oh, that’s so nice.

If you want more pressure in certain areas, just say so: I like that but you can go firmer/deeper if you like.

And if his cock brushes against you, just sigh with pleasure. If he positions his cock near your hand, just brush against it lightly.

Let him set the pace and the boundaries.

 

I’ve had straight masseurs do more than usual, even tho or because they know I’m gay. One just brushed my cock lightly and I twitched responsively so he stroked me more and brought me off. Another guy worked on my thighs and stroked my perineum before bringing me to climax without touching my cock. A cute Israeli guy asked me if I wanted him to ”relieve my tension” and he kindly used a warm washcloth to clean me up afterwards. The oddest guy commented that I have a pretty cock and asked me if he could suck me off; afterwards he reassured me he wasn’t gay but he”loved the taste of cum”!

Thank you, Msclelovr, for entering this saga. It's always good to have a subplot going to reinforce the main story line and act as a counterfoil. This is currently my favorite thread here and I love the additional story line. Please both of you, keep them coming. And please, orville, keep us informed about your progress. In these trying times I find that I'm living through people like you. I can't wait for the next installment. Btw, couldn't you just take your pants off because the room was just so warm?

[+ sniper]

For the record, the only place it would be weird to be naked under the sheet is one of those large rooms with just curtains separating people. If the therapist had a preference that you not be naked, they would say something like "undress but please keep your underwear on." Maybe in a chain-type place like Massage Envy that might happen.

[coriolis888]

 

If he ever pushes his semi-hard against my elbow again I will say "that feels good" or "yes, right there"

I think I'm learning from you guys.

 

 

Here is something else to learn.

 

It is possible that you mistook his rubbing against you for a semi-hard cock. It is difficult to be certain what is beneath a uniform or clothing.

 

If you say to him (as you suggested) "that feels good" or "yes, right there" - it is possible you are mistaking an innocent maneuver for something else entirely. You might find yourself in an embarrassing situation.

 

There are too many willing providers that make it clear they are available for more than a massage.

[+ sniper]

Ok, I'm assuming the appointment already happened at this point and orville is being a tease...

[LivingnLA]

Here is something else to learn.

 

It is possible that you mistook his rubbing against you for a semi-hard cock. It is difficult to be certain what is beneath a uniform or clothing.

 

If you say to him (as you suggested) "that feels good" or "yes, right there" - it is possible you are mistaking an innocent maneuver for something else entirely. You might find yourself in an embarrassing situation.

 

There are too many willing providers that make it clear they are available for more than a massage.

 

That's certainly possible. It's important for him to be discreet and relaxed about the interactions because you're right, he could be misreading the situation. In my limited experience, it usually takes the client provider relationship being well established before everyone relaxes enough for unexpected extras to appear in a professional session.

[imma]

After talking to my pillow all night I think everyone who suggested this is right.

If there is something that characterizes the straight male mindset is that they are in control and they take the lead.

I will be in the lookout to see if he does something "more interesting" today and respond "accordingly".

 

 

Any updates?

[Phil_musc]

Yes, yes, don't keep us in suspense! And hey, Msclelovr, feel free to move the subplot along. I'm staring at a long and tediously empty Sunday evening. Show some mercy. Bring on the updates!