CoVid and Coronavirus

[Starlight77]

I was talking to an escort who admitted he tested positive for CoVid in the past but has since tested negative. I know this is not a medical board but not opposed to some advice or knowledge. Is hooking up with someone who had Covid in the past a lesser risk? Wouldn't he have the antibodies? I really don't know how it works. I know i'm 100% negative. I haven't hooked up with anyone since February and I'm getting tempted yet still wanting to keep myself safe.

[+ 7829V]

I was talking to an escort who admitted he tested positive for CoVid in the past but has since tested negative. I know this is not a medical board but not opposed to some advice or knowledge. Is hooking up with someone who had Covid in the past a lesser risk? Wouldn't he have the antibodies? I really don't know how it works. I know i'm 100% negative. I haven't hooked up with anyone since February and I'm getting tempted yet still wanting to keep myself safe.

 

Based on what I've read online and videos I watched. I'm not a physician.

 

Is hooking up with someone who had Covid in the past a lesser risk? - Yes, but he can get infected again and infect others. There's evidence that even if you had it, you can get it again. Also, I assume he can also pass it if he has it on his clothes, sheets, bed, etc.

 

Wouldn't he have the antibodies? Yes, but they are not sure how long do they last. Some say about 3 months. I haven't read conclusive evidence or a consensus on this. And it seems like the virus can mutate too.

 

I really don't know how it works. No one knows everything about this virus. It's a new virus. There's lots of research going on on this. Information and recommendations are changing constantly.

 

I know i'm 100% negative. You cannot know that. No medical test is 100% accurate for many reasons, including error and timing of the test. Because it is possible to get a negative result even when you have coronavirus, it is important to be careful even when you receive a negative result. Some doctors recommend quarantining yourself until symptom-free for at least 72 hours. More about tests https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/coronavirus-testing-basics

 

I haven't hooked up with anyone since February. Good for you

 

I'm getting tempted yet still wanting to keep myself safe. You are doing the right thing. And we all take the risks based on our own circumstances. Some might risk it and it's fine if they are aware of all the consequences.

[SirBillybob]

Usually, generally, provisionally a lesser risk but not zero risk. Many variables are involved. Personally, I would want to see evidence of a previous positive test result, or positive for antibodies.

 

The prevalence in his (your) jurisdiction is a relevant factor independent of exposure status and immunity status FWIW. I can show you how to calculate probability in your geographic area, if in the USA simply tell me the county, if you are comfortable, or DM me privately, or outside of USA state the country.

 

Jury is still deliberating on reinfection phenomena and whether these ‘second helpings‘ may be a different strain for the host that he can manage with preexisting defences, yet a newbie might not do well with initial exposure to the strain.

 

Animal models suggest it is possible to transiently host and shed the same virus even if immune, as the pathogen spends a bit of time attempting to get a foothold thru subsequent exposure, while the host’s antibodies and other immune system components kick into action. Such research is not done with humans. However, this is relevant from my point of view given the higher reexposure potential of escorts from clients.

[SirBillybob]

Good point from 7829V about test reliability. It is a shit show. I had a very sore throat this past Wed and got PCR tested on symptom Day 2 (Thurs) with a 75%-100% probability of false negative. The result was negative. For good measure I just completed a do-over today (Day 5), about the lowest anticipated false negative potential, 20%. And this is an easy exercise compared to random testing without any symptoms.

 

I suspect it is still negative but cannot understand why I felt like crap a few days back since I am considerably confined.

 

The nurse today barely grazed the back of my throat (frustrating!) but at least seemed to take a deep adequate nasal swab.

 

More failsafe is sexual partners that are not cohabiting to self-quarantine for a few weeks prior to hook-up, not practical for escorts and perhaps the same inconvenience level for many clients.

Edited August 30, 2020 by SirBIllybob

[Guest]

I was talking to an escort who admitted he tested positive for CoVid in the past but has since tested negative. I know this is not a medical board but not opposed to some advice or knowledge. Is hooking up with someone who had Covid in the past a lesser risk? ...

Obviously, there are no 100%'s in medicine. However, it was just in the last week that we found the first documented case of someone being infected with Covid-19 twice:

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-reinfection-case-confirmed-us.html

Considering that there have been millions of people who've recovered from Covid in the US alone, I'd say the odds of someone getting re-infected are pretty low (at least for several months). And the odds that this escort would happen to be in the few days of being contagious before his symptoms appear are even lower. Of course, you have to look at your own risk. If you're a 72 year-old obese diabetic, it does make sense to be super-cautious. However, given the apparent rarity of re-infection, your odds of getting killed in a car crash on the way to your appointment are greater than your odds of getting Covid from this dude. Last month, I hired an escort who posted in his ad that he'd had Covid-19 in the Spring. To me, that was a selling point. Of course, he could have been lying, in which case I wouldn't have agreed to have sex with him. Which means, according to @mike carey that I was raped. Oh, that's for another string.

https://rentmen.eu/Connorevans

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/client-convicted-of-rape-after-refusing-to-pay-escort.159664/

Edited August 30, 2020 by Unicorn

[SirBillybob]

At this point a rape, explicit or implicitly by any other name or politicized context, is looking pretty appealing. Just sayin’. Profuse apologies all round for the abject insensitivity. I do, however, need a few days notice for on-demand PrEP, so staged is best though flexible about setting. Naturally I realize I digress.

[Starlight77]

The escort in question said he has CoVid 2 months ago and he is safe to hire. He seems very sure of me being safe of catching the virus.

[Guest]

The escort in question said he has CoVid 2 months ago and he is safe to hire. He seems very sure of me being safe of catching the virus.

Again, there are no guarantees on anything in life, but this escort would be the safest you could come to in terms of not contracting Covid-19 from an escort.

[Luv2play]

Obviously, there are no 100%'s in medicine. However, it was just in the last week that we found the first documented case of someone being infected with Covid-19 twice:

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-reinfection-case-confirmed-us.html

Considering that there have been millions of people who've recovered from Covid in the US alone, I'd say the odds of someone getting re-infected are pretty low (at least for several months). And the odds that this escort would happen to be in the few days of being contagious before his symptoms appear are even lower. Of course, you have to look at your own risk. If you're a 72 year-old obese diabetic, it does make sense to be super-cautious. However, given the apparent rarity of re-infection, your odds of getting killed in a car crash on the way to your appointment are greater than your odds of getting Covid from this dude. Last month, I hired an escort who posted in his ad that he'd had Covid-19 in the Spring. To me, that was a selling point. Of course, he could have been lying, in which case I wouldn't have agreed to have sex with him. Which means, according to @mike carey that I was raped. Oh, that's for another string.

https://rentmen.eu/Connorevans

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/client-convicted-of-rape-after-refusing-to-pay-escort.159664/

Other than that technicality, did the “rape” at least feel good at the time?

[+ keroscenefire]

An escort who had and recovered from COVID two months ago is very likely temporarily immune. He should have antibodies that last for about 3-4 months and memory T cells that last likely even longer. Even if he were to be reinfected, he would likely be asymptomatic and his immune system would quickly deal with the virus. However, it is possible he might be able to still infect others. Nothing is 100% but I think generally hiring this escort is fairly low-risk in getting COVID assuming he is telling the truth.

 

Generally I don't think hiring is as risky as people think. If you're generally pretty cautious and avoid large crowds, wear masks and socially distance, you're doing pretty good at avoiding COVID-19. The likelihood that one person you hire and have an intimate time is contagious with COVID-19 at the time you meet him is pretty low. The likelihood of getting COVID after going to a crowded restaurant or bar or other indoor space where dozens of people present could be contagious with COVID is much higher.

[SirBillybob]

I calculated event risk probabilities with the applicable algorithm as the OP privately shared the location.

 

We likely have individualized margins of risk tolerance/aversion.

 

If the escort tricks with 25 clients over the course of a week, assuming he has first-exposure strain immunity, what percentage likelihood of a minimum of one actively contagious client among the 25 would you accept? Please chime in.

 

I am late 60’s and healthy. I would tolerate a 5% chance that at least one of 25 clients prior to me exposed the escort to this week’s flavour of CoV.

[jonnychgo]

Good point from 7829V about test reliability. It is a shit show. I had a very sore throat this past Wed and got PCR tested on symptom Day 2 (Thurs) with a 75%-100% probability of false negative. The result was negative. For good measure I just completed a do-over today (Day 5), about the lowest anticipated false negative potential, 20%. And this is an easy exercise compared to random testing without any symptoms.

 

I suspect it is still negative but cannot understand why I felt like crap a few days back since I am considerably confined.

 

The nurse today barely grazed the back of my throat (frustrating!) but at least seemed to take a deep adequate nasal swab.

 

More failsafe is sexual partners that are not cohabiting to self-quarantine for a few weeks prior to hook-up, not practical for escorts and perhaps the same inconvenience level for many clients.

A friend of mine had lost his taste and sense of smell for almost two weeks, no other symptoms. Got a test on day 4, negative. Got a test on day 14, negative. Got an antibody test about two months later, negative. No one can figure out what he had but appears not COVID. On a side note, I found out that there was a positive case in a doctor's office I was in on Tuesday. My PCP says that symptoms are seeming to appears on days 4-5 and that getting a test before those days may not be accurate as perhaps not as much of a viral load built up in the early days.

[Guest]

A friend of mine had lost his taste and sense of smell for almost two weeks, no other symptoms. Got a test on day 4, negative. Got a test on day 14, negative. Got an antibody test about two months later, negative. No one can figure out what he had but appears not COVID. On a side note, I found out that there was a positive case in a doctor's office I was in on Tuesday. My PCP says that symptoms are seeming to appears on days 4-5 and that getting a test before those days may not be accurate as perhaps not as much of a viral load built up in the early days.

Current data suggest a person is probably most contagious in the few days before the symptoms begin. If you were exposed on Tuesday, a test you did tomorrow should be pretty strongly predictive, either way. If you live with anyone else, or contact others in an indoor setting, I would get tested ASAP if the exposure was significant (for example, you were in the same room as the positive patient right after the positive patient was seen). Transmission in doctors' offices is quite rare, however, Our office has almost 100 rooms with lots of doctors, obviously. Our county Public Health Department has been tracking infections, and not a single case transmitted in our office so far.

[Guest]

I calculated event risk probabilities with the applicable algorithm as the OP privately shared the location.

 

We likely have individualized margins of risk tolerance/aversion.

 

If the escort tricks with 25 clients over the course of a week, assuming he has first-exposure strain immunity, what percentage likelihood of a minimum of one actively contagious client among the 25 would you accept? Please chime in.

 

I am late 60’s and healthy. I would tolerate a 5% chance that at least one of 25 clients prior to me exposed the escort to this week’s flavour of CoV.

I very strongly doubt most escorts have even 10 clients in a week, let alone 25, especially these days. You would need to check the positivity rate for whatever county you happen to live in. Again, if you want to minimize the chance of transmission, hire someone who's recovered from infection in the last few months; that puts your risk at nearly zero. Of course, that assumes escorts never lie...

[mike carey]

Of course, he could have been lying, in which case I wouldn't have agreed to have sex with him. Which means, according to @mike carey that I was raped. Oh, that's for another string.

Oh dear, Unicorn's been on the cooking sherry again. Seeing links that aren't there and unable to see those that are.

[Guest]

Oh dear, Unicorn's been on the cooking sherry again. Seeing links that aren't there and unable to see those that are.

Sorry, dude. It's pretty plain to anyone who's read the string. You said that even though an escort flew to Canberra and had sex with a client voluntarily, that the sex was "rape" because consent to have sex was conditional on receiving payment, and since he didn't receive payment, the consent was never valid in the first place. If my consent to have sex with someone is conditional on his promise that he had recovered from Covid fairly recently, and that this was a fraudulent claim, then by your same logic, our sex was rape as well, because my consent was conditional as well and therefore never existed in the first place. It's essentially the same situation: lying and deceit to get someone to consent to sex that he would have otherwise not consented to. Same twisted logic. Only a complete hypocrite would deny that. You can't have it both ways. What if I had gotten sick, or, worse, ended up on a ventilator? If you're going to stick to your guns, at least be consistent.

Edited August 31, 2020 by Unicorn

[SirBillybob]

I very strongly doubt most escorts have even 10 clients in a week, let alone 25, especially these days. You would need to check the positivity rate for whatever county you happen to live in. Again, if you want to minimize the chance of transmission, hire someone who's recovered from infection in the last few months; that puts your risk at nearly zero. Of course, that assumes escorts never lie...

You missed the point. I am partially to blame.

 

Event risk can be calculated using a binomial equation that incorporates rolling incidence, an accepted duration of contagion potential, and an ascertainment ratio of likely incidence over reported incidence based on what available antibody surveillance exists. This provides a probability from above absolute zero to below absolute one hundred percent for any arbitrary number of persons in the event. Risk management decisions are easier to apply with single to double digit percentage figures because the relatively small fractions of point prevalence are such that large differences (following a decimal point and zeros) appear deceptively small and do not incorporate the variable that is often known or anticipated: number of persons in the event. For many events, all that is important to know is the probability the active virus resides within it. Personally, I do not consider regional point prevalence on its own particularly useful.

 

I had hoped to generate a more in-depth discussion since there are a lot of questions about risk, but there has been little to no discussion that incorporates clinical utilities akin to standard gamble, time trade-off, and currently the evolution of event risk probabilities that have emerged in a more sophisticated way as more is known about the mysteries and ambiguities of CoV prevalence.

 

The trend seems to be people asking whether they should engage in a particular behaviour and respondents contributing pretty much the same input repeatedly, ranging from well-meaning cock-blocking to hedged reassurance. If that is all there is, so be it.

 

How many punters the escort has is not totally without pertinence but the arbitrary selection of 25 was not intended to shut down a discussion that may hold interest to a few message board readers.

Edited August 31, 2020 by SirBIllybob

[Otto]

Of course, that assumes escorts never lie...

 

 

Wasn't there a Lyin' Paraguayan mentioned somewhere?

[Guest]

Wasn't there a Lyin' Paraguayan mentioned somewhere?

Yes. And he did use my house as a bit of a bordello, as the man he was two-timing me with found out. And yes, even some of the escorts on this forum have confessed to lying. He actually picked up the last of his things the week-end before last. I told him whatever he didn't pick up I would donate to charity. We gave each other a final hug (wearing masks). He's been promoted to assistant manager at a paint store. Maybe he does have a decent future. I hope he learns to lead an honest life some day.