Area to Discuss Clients?

[marylander1940]

This was one of my points in my first post. Would my exchange with the provider who was above my price point and required a deposit land me on the wall of shame? Who makes that decision?

 

How many times have we heard about the time wasters from providers on this board? I’ve had conversations with my regular providers, not about specific clients, but the nature of the business, and how many texts/calls/emails they field in relation to actual meetings. I’m sure it’s frustrating, but as you pointed out, it’s a high touch, customer centric business.

 

Only no shows and scammers like the one who stiffed @MrMattBig should have their numbers and personal information online as a warning to others.

 

Time wasters unfortunately happen in all jobs and activities but without them we wouldn't appreciate folks who behave like gentlemen who keep their word.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Blacklist sites exist and while I'm sure there are a contingent of people who post with malintent, it does serve purpose for the working guys who have been beaten, drugged, raped, stolen from, stiffed, etc. That's all aside from the private conversations that happen between escorts.

 

As I was told growing up, if you're not doing anything bad, you've usually got little to worry about.

 

My advice is that if you have a lot to lose, make educated choices in the company you keep and think several steps ahead in the event you need to extract yourself from a bad situation. I've known guys who have had their lives turned upside-down by blacklists.

[marylander1940]

Blacklist sites exist and while I'm sure there are a contingent of people who post with malintent, it does serve purpose for the working guys who have been beaten, drugged, raped, stolen from, stiffed, etc. That's all aside from the private conversations that happen between escorts.

 

As I was told growing up, if you're not doing anything bad, you've usually got little to worry about.

 

My advice is that if you have a lot to lose, make educated choices in the company you keep and think several steps ahead in the event you need to extract yourself from a bad situation. I've known guys who have had their lives turned upside-down by blacklists.

 

https://m4m-forum.org/threads/a-warning-to-providers.154189/

 

Unfortunately the provider didn't google the name or the number of the client

[stop]

I understand the purpose and, believe me, I wish there was a simple way to rate clients from a provider perspective since we deal with a lot scammers and flakes from a provider standpoint. However, I am a big believer in safeguarding the identity of clients. We choose to release our personal information to the world while many clients do not. I believe providers should respect the privacy and anonymity of all clients.

 

I am sorry people are missing the real issue here. Mrbeefymuscles is your avatar a pic of you?

[BluDay]

Even though I think I would get good reviews from my hires, I can see the dangers of a forum discussing clients.

 

There is a difference, in my mind, reviewing escorts. To me, it's like being a celebrity. Celebrities are afforded less legal protections than non-celebrity persons. Escorts by the nature of their business have to be known somehow. Reviews and comments are part of that. Clients by nature are to be anonymous. I do not say it is equitable, but it is how things are due to their different positions.

[Studsearcher]

This reminds me of last year when I was interviewing general contractors for a home renovation. One of them told me ‘all of our customers love us except a few and they’re usually the real problem so we give them a bad review too.’ I don’t know where they would review a customer but I’ve heard of businesses suing people for leaving bad yelp reviews.

 

I like to think I’m a pretty good client to have, but if I knew of and had access to a site where providers reviewed clients (anything beyond the number or email being a time waster) I would avoid them.

[Mrbeefymuscles]

I am sorry people are missing the real issue here. Mrbeefymuscles is your avatar a pic of you?

Yes, the picture in my profile is of me. I have the same username on RM too.

[Mrbeefymuscles]

Escorts tend to use "stage names" and burner numbers - Clients can do the same thing. I'm not promoting the outing of people's identities or being malicious but escorts aren't the only voluntary participants, clients also VOLUNTARILY give whatever info (FAKE OR REAL) to the escorts they contact. If the "client" texting is just some pervy timewaster trying to collect pics and jerk off, or worse, meets the escort but skips out on paying then Escorts should have a place to warn others.

Not only that, it would Escorts could help their co-workers by leaving positive reviews for good clients who don't mind being reviewed. I mean at very least, rentmen should add that feature to client profiles.

Very good points @SteelFan! I like your input.

[GTMike]

Kind of a difficult balance to strike. For sure both clients and escorts should be able to warn any and everyone about truly fraudulent and dangerous people for everyone's protection. Obviuosly though due to nature of the industry hard to implement a reliable system of checks and balances.

 

Escorts are at a real disadvantage from structural perspective as maintaining client confidentiality is considered a business norm and must be respected though they are in a professional services sales industry and marketing themselves is key to the success of their entreprenuerial endeavors. What professional service providers such as Attorneys, Accountants, Doctors, Home Contractors, CFP's etc.. don't market themselves personally or through a business in one form or another? So there's that dynamic.

 

I also could only think of truly exceptional situations (maybe I'm wrong) whereby if I got into an argument or dispute with a new Dentist or Personal Trainer for example that he or she would proactively contact a network in my area of other like professionals to alert them not to do business with me (unless again perhaps it was criminal).

 

On the other hand this profession has exponentially far fewer professional practitioners and by design is way more personal and intimate.

 

Risks of fraudulent behavior on both side exists in large part because it is more discrete and hidden. Apologies for the stream of consciousness notes and thought diarrhea.

[orville]

Even though it's a noble idealistic proposal, it will never happen for so many reasons. Uber being the only platform I can remember where providers can rate clients too, @latbear4blk gave a great example with Yelp, reviews (across industries) are mostly of providers, for clients to read and make a decision where to put their money. Not that it would be impossible for escorts to rate clients, but I think it would be incredibly impractical from an execution POV, starting from the fact that there are more clients than providers, like WAY MORE. It would be unmanageable for RM to dedicate more tech power to supply that additional feature on the website.

 

I also think that the majority of us, clients and escorts, are very forgiving unless something very bad happened. Multiple times I have preferred to post no review, than a bad one. And I think escorts would prefer to just move on and try to make more money rather than investing precious time and resources vetting clients. If anything, I don't think escorts would ever disclose who their best clients are? Hence, any space to review clients would organically evolve into a space to trash bad clients. Now that I just typed that it doesn't sound too bad, but I think it would become a vendetta downward spiral, which in return would give the escorts who submit bad clients' reviews, a bad reputation. What client would like to get involved with a provider who is perceived as too vindictive and conflicting?

 

I would think that what escorts want to focus on, is on getting the best possible reviews for themselves. That's how the money-stream flows, FROM the client TO the escort, hence the escort is the depository of the supply or service, whose "quality" is more likely to be rated and "valued", not so much the client who holds the money and the leverage in this power relationship, so the client gets to vet.

 

Finally, if such space to review clients ever appears in this forum, I don't think escorts will engage. They don't even participate in the "Ask an Escort" forum as much as they participate in "The Deli", just saying!

Edited June 2, 2020 by orville

[myophile]

EBay‘s review system required feedback from buyers and sellers equally for a long time, but they finally had to abandon that model, because of the tendency for any dispute to devolve into a he said/she said shit-show of recrimination.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Oh, it is a double standard. However, I think this double standard is present in every single industry. There is no Yelp for customers and clients. I think.

 

Oh really??? Ha. Businesses have been fucking people over for far more than an escort posting a client’s number on a niche online bulletin board. This whole fucking country revolves around your credit score, and how a person pays their bills and creditors. I’m only learning from what the corporate world has done to us for so long...

 

https://www.experian.com/

 

https://equifax.com/

 

http://transunion.com/

 

 

 

It is a double standard. If you can sue escorts for rating you, they can sue you for, say, a Daddys Review that includes their phone number.

 

Of course, no lawyer can make a legitimate complaint or threat without opening their client up to prostitution charges. Attorneys have no power here.

 

 

I’ve had a couple guys pull that on me. They don’t seem to understand that:

 

A) If they “sue”, they will essentially be a plaintiff. Which means going to trial, with us to testify.

B) if they “press charges”, they will still be listed in the report as well.

 

Whenever they pull that on me, I’m like: have your attorney call me. Matter of fact, what’s your attorney’s number, I’ll call them! Just don’t forget I have the texts showing you contacted me first lol.

 

But at this point, I put an end to the mayhem. Over the past several weeks, I’ve only had 1 idiot mess me over, and only because I bought into his “I don’t do deposits because I been burned before” craft.

 

I don’t meet anyone without a deposit anymore. It’s nothing about not trusting people, it’s just about making sure I’m not spending my money and time, before I get paid for my time. Nothing personal. Even my married discrete clients seem to have no issue doing so. They have separate accounts. I used to make exceptions, but when even former regular clients leave you high and dry, it’s become so standard for me, that I don’t even think twice.

 

And lately all my coordinating of appointments have been much better and less on edge about the probability of it taking place.

Edited November 28, 2020 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Cruiser7]

It is a double standard. If you can sue escorts for rating you, they can sue you for, say, a Daddys Review that includes their phone number.

But you chose to put your (or at least A) number out there. I’m sure most escorts have burner phones or virtual numbers. Most clients have not put their number out there for all to see. Plus, an escort’s number is one way of him advertising.