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Anyone else feeling proud for Todd Herzog winning Survivor's million dollar prize? I thought it took a lot of smarts and strength on his part. It's great to see a successful gay guy. Although he's not quite as handsome as that Erick guy, he's pretty fine-looking to boot. I got a little twinge of gay pride, there. I hope he doesn't end up making an ass of himself like the first guy. I was surprised when the Instinct issue I received 3 weeks ago listed him as the "Million Dollar Man." Did they have advance information, or were they just predicting?

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I didn't like the guy from the first.

As I watched more episodes, I liked him even less.

He is a bit too smarmy for me.

If we as gay men, can't have better role models, then I fear no one in the straight world will ever have a clear picture of us as men.

WAR to having gay role models that don't have to lie, cheat, steal and gossip to win.

 

As for me, Denise was the only one of the final four I could have voted to give the money. Maybe that's why America voted her as most deserving (or whatever the $50,000 was for).

 

James made a bad mistake not using the immunity idols, but he was fun to look at while he lasted. (ok, so a bit of a hypocrite, talking about roles models and then juicing over eye candy, but hey, I am old...so it's OK).

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America didn't vote Denise as most deserving. they voted for James and gave him 100.000 the producer gave denise 50.000 because she lost her lunch room job

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The man was a contestant on a game show. I love game shows but I don't vote for politicians cause they look like me and I don't root for game show contestants because they have the same sexual preference. As for this guy, he was a good game player but was depicted as a man who I would not be likely to befriend or to be interested in knowing more about. I would have preferred that Amanda vote for Todd and let him earn his berth in the finals rather than coasting in.

As for James, get me on the Midnight Train to Georgia or whichever of the southern states he lives. That is one fine piece of man.

Not too verbal, but I think I could do enough verbalizing for both of us.

Good news for we forum member Survivor fans, rumored that James is one of two of this group headed to the next season. Courtney may be another. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://seat42f.com/site/images/stories/tvshows/SurvivorChina/james-clement-survivor-china.jpg&imgrefurl=http://seat42f.com/site/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26task%3Dview%26id%3D642%26Itemid%3D172&h=500&w=334&sz=121&hl=en&start=9&tbnid=bJ_foL4VE9wf9M:&tbnh=130&tbnw=87&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgravedigger%2B%2522%2BJames%2522%26as_st%3Dy%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26ie%3DUTF-8

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I read about his Mormon upbringing in that Instinct issue. I really have to admire that guy for all of his inner strength. What guts it must have taken to overcome everything he's been through and prosper. It was easy for me coming from an atheist family. I just want to tell him "Way to go! And congratulations!" Yes, some deceit is always involved in winning Survivor. Nevertheless, I thought he was a great role model for the gay community (especially if others had read of his courage in the Instinct article).

It was interesting for me to compare Todd with J.P. Calderon. The latter admitted he never would have come out if his father hadn't passed away. I'm happy for J.P., and glad to see that he didn't waste his whole life in the closet. But I think Todd has more courage, determination, and emotional strength. And I believe that's why he won Survivor, when J.P. was voted out early (much to my chagrin--there's no denying J.P. is iMuy Caliente!).

J.P. will be (well, is, I guess) successful in great part because of his beauty. I believe Todd will be successful because of his inner qualities (not that Todd ain't really easy on the eyes himself). As for him giving 10% to the Mormon Church, I sure hope not!!

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heres a statement from the school denise works at.

 

 

The school that Denise worked at posted a comment.

 

Press Release: Mrs. Denise Martin

December 17, 2007

Douglas Public Schools

 

On the "Survivor China" television program that aired on December 16, 2007, Mrs. Denise Martin, an employee of the Douglas Public Schools, stated that she was demoted from her position as a cafeteria worker upon her return from taping the show. This statement is false. In fact, Mrs. Martin held a full-time position as a custodian prior to her participation in the series, and she returned to this same position upon her return from China. Mrs. Martin was granted - at her request - an unpaid leave of absence so that she could participate in the "Survivor" program. We were pleased and excited to support Denise, and have enthusiastically cheered her on throughout the duration of the show.

 

Although Mrs. Martin was a cafeteria employee prior to her selection as a contestant, she asked to be considered for a promotion to full-time custodian, and was promoted to this position on March 30, 2007. This promotion came with additional benefits and a higher salary. Following her leave, she then returned to this same position.

 

Regretfully, the Douglas Public School District was inaccurately portrayed as failing to be accommodating to an employee during what the District viewed as a "once-in-a-lifetime" opportunity. This is far from the case. On the contrary, we granted all requests made by Mrs. Martin so that she could participate in the "Survivor" series. Since Mrs. Martin was on an approved leave, her position was held open for her, and she returned to this same position upon her return from China. As a District, we make every effort to support our employees, and will continue to do so.

 

Nancy T. Lane

Superintendent of Schools

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I was very proud of Tod. I got a bit teary eyed. The fact that he was small and effeminate made me even prouder. Many gay men are that way, just as many are not. The fact that a little "sissy boy" prevailed in an extremely grueling game should give our military pause when they review "Don't ask don't tell." In my opinion, being an effeminate gay man is nothing to be ashamed of. I've certainly met my share of effeminate straight men. "Straight acting," whatever that is, doesn't necessarily mean much to me. I suppose Larry Craig is straight acting, but he's an embarrassment. I'd rather be a proud out sissy than a closeted "straight" toilet queen :-)

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I guess I need to clarify a few things. My original response to this thread started with the statement

"my thoughts on this are all over the map"

 

The response in total never got posted (probably because I clicked the wrong button).

In reproducing what I first wrote, my thoughts got a little jumbled.

Let's see if I can sort them out.

 

First, I didn't take to Todd from the beginning. I think I got that part out pretty clear. Personally, I don't have a thing against any type of gay man...whether they be fem, butch, geek, jock, or any other type. I like men. Who I would choose to hang with might narrow the range a bit, but otherwise, no problems.

 

Am I proud a gay man won? Well, yes and no. It's nice to be represented. But after so many gay stereotypes on TV, I wish we had other gay role models shown. There is such a thing as a gay male who is intelligent, thoughtful, attuned to what's going on in the world, possessing inner and outer strength, willing to compete on the most strenuous level, who makes contributions to his work, community and family without having to be reduced to a stereotype as a gossipy, whining, weepy queen who backbites, lies and manipulates. Yes, I realize SURVIVOR is a game and you have to play to win, but at what cost?

 

Crap, the more I try to explain this, the more it seems I will be hurting someone's feelings. That's not my intent.

 

The original post asked if I was proud of this gay man for winning.

The answer then is yes and no. That's the best I can do on this I guess.

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As A strong "Survivor" fan my vote would have been for Amanda. Her game was better than Todd's, both from a strategy viewpoint (voting out James) and winning immunity contests (Amanda won far more than Todd, including the last two).

 

Todd won because he was far better in answering the jury's questions than Amanda. But up until the jury questions, Amanda played a much more subtle and thoughtful game.

 

In a general way, sure I am proud of Todd.

 

Of course there have closeted gay men who have won reality shows, most recently the two look alike male models on "The Amazing Race."

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There's another gay man coming up in reality TV that might throw your "role model pride" in a bit of a tizzy. On the new "American Gladiators" series, one of the Gladiators used to do gay porn for Colt. :o

 

Here's the link to Perez Hilton's version of the story: http://perezhilton.com/?p=10748 -- John Rutherford apparently blogged about it, but the Colt website is not responding at the moment.

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>Anyone else feeling proud for Todd Herzog winning Survivor's

>million dollar prize? I thought it took a lot of smarts and

>strength on his part. It's great to see a successful gay guy.

> Although he's not quite as handsome as that Erick guy, he's

>pretty fine-looking to boot. I got a little twinge of gay

>pride, there. I hope he doesn't end up making an ass of

>himself like the first guy. I was surprised when the

>Instinct issue I received 3 weeks ago listed him as the

>"Million Dollar Man." Did they have advance information, or

>were they just predicting?

 

I'm proud of Todd. I did a shout out to his winning in my eye candy post.

 

I also saw that issue of Instinct. I purchased it because I thought that show had ended for this season and the magazine people knew that Todd won. However the magazine article didn't explicitly mention that Todd won. It did seem to be kind of a coincidence though. I bet they did have advance notice, but stop short of completely spoiling the ending in the magazine article.

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>I didn't like the guy from the first.

>As I watched more episodes, I liked him even less.

>He is a bit too smarmy for me.

>If we as gay men, can't have better role models, then I fear

>no one in the straight world will ever have a clear picture of

>us as men.

>WAR to having gay role models that don't have to lie, cheat,

>steal and gossip to win.

>

>As for me, Denise was the only one of the final four I could

>have voted to give the money. Maybe that's why America voted

>her as most deserving (or whatever the $50,000 was for).

>

>James made a bad mistake not using the immunity idols, but he

>was fun to look at while he lasted. (ok, so a bit of a

>hypocrite, talking about roles models and then juicing over

>eye candy, but hey, I am old...so it's OK).

 

I didn't have a problem with Todd being swarmy. I think that it is important to let a gay person be himself than to act in a way that you believe that the "str8 world" should see you. Believe it or not, I myself am very str8 acting. People who don't really know me don't realize that I'm gay, but that doesn't mean that I think that gay men should be str8 acting. What I fight for when I support progressive political campaigns and groups such as HRC is the right to let every gay person simply be.

 

Also I think that lying, cheating, stealing and gossiping on Survivor is a characteristic of gay men on Survivor. I believe that lying, cheating, stealing and gossiping on Survivor is a characteristic of ANYONE who wants to win Survivor. I don't even know if Todd did those things, but I'm trying to make a point.

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I switched channels after the announcement that Todd had won Survivor China, so I missed the award to James and the consolation prize, or whatever to Denise.

What exactly did she say on the show? That she had been fired, lost her job, been demoted, or what?

If she was awarded $50,000 because she LOST her job for being away on the show, and this is NOT true, then the money should be taken away. According the letter the superintendent released, Denise received a promotion to custodian, from her position as a lunch lady. For those who have never worked in a public school, this may seem strange, but think about it: with an increase in benefits, probably longer hours, and an increase in hourly wages, or perhaps even an annual salary she would be much better off.

Why she would lie about it on national television is beyond me---didn't she realise that the truth would come out almost immediately?

If she lied---she is scum to me and deserves nothing---put her back in the lunch room and let the little rug rats make snide comments about her when they go through the line.

Forgive my cattiness, but she ended up as one of the final four; she appeared on national television; she got to spend over a month in China; and probably lost a lot of weight which certainly can't hurt. She should have counted her lucky stars and gone quietly home.

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`Survivor' Lunch Lady Won't Take $50,000

 

Dec 19, 1:04 PM (ET)

 

NEW YORK (AP) - Denise Martin, who gained fame as the lunch lady on CBS' reality show "Survivor: China," is donating the $50,000 she received from producer Mark Burnett to the Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDs Foundation.

 

Martin told viewers on Sunday night's live finale that she'd been demoted to janitor at a school in Douglas, Mass., after finishing fourth on the show. After hearing her story, Burnett surprised Martin with the money to help get her life back.

 

On Tuesday, Martin acknowledged on CBS'"The Early Show" that she'd been promoted to custodian, at her own request, before the competition began.

 

"It was not my intention to be misleading," Martin, 40, said on the broadcast. "I'm sorry, and I apologize to everybody."

 

In a statement issued Tuesday by the network, Martin said she took "full responsibility" for her actions.

 

"I do not feel comfortable about accepting the $50,000. I would instead ask that it be donated to the Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation," the statement said. "Please accept my apology. I would also like to thank all the people who have supported me through this experience."

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Thanks for the update on the "Denise debacle." Her actions/statements on being caught out are an interesting bit of PR. I'm glad the money from the producer is being donated to the pediatrics HIV clinic for children BUT my opinion of Denise has not changed--she wanted MONEY and really believed she should have won and would have won if she had been in the final two. It's also amazing that woman is only 40 years old---I thought she was at least 7-10 years older than that. I realise that many of the others were in their 20's but still------40?

I used to enjoy Survivor, but this season disappointed me for a variety of reasons. I think it's run it's course and probably should be retired. I'll only watch the next running if James is one of the survivors.

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