PNP

[John]

I avoid hiring escorts who say they PNP. I find many care more about substances than about anything else, even money. Also when the escort is high, or even recovering from a high, he is not entirely present.

 

Other attitudes?

[+ Topseed]

For me it’s a non-negotiable NO.

 

I’ve walked away from several very fun guys.....escorts and “civilians”...because of their party drug use. I don’t want the dishonesty, the wandering attention nor the potential liability should they generate an emergency that requires a call to 911.

[Wanderoz]

Strongly agree with both comments so far.

[sexymonk]

I can't agree with ops view anymore! The guys in pnp can't perform well, have weak erection, lost from reality and zoning out repeatedly. I saw it in well know escorts who are no more on rm. but what I do is say bye bye! If anything happens in session then I may be in legal trouble which should be avoided! So takeaway is stay away from those providers!

[Epigonos]

I am aware that some escorts inadvertently mark all the items rentment lists as things they are into. Makes no difference to me if they are that careless I’M NOT INTERESTED. I ALWAYS immediately move on when I see PNP.

Edited July 29, 2019 by Epigonos

[+ Axiom2001]

When I have seen PNP in an ad of a particular escort, I usually have sent the escort an email and have inquired if pnp includes 420. In their responses, they've invariably stated "Yes." The guys whom I've seen have NOT had any difficulty smoking some good stuff-- and "being in the moment" throughout our playing.

 

ALL have given me one hell of a torrid play time-- remaining rigid and hot and fuckin' me into oblivion. I'd liked! I'd liked!

[blightuponyou]

PNP (I mean meth specifically) is a hard no for me as well. I cannot handle being around that unpredictable, jittery energy. I passed up a chance with one of my favorite porn stars just because he had that on his profile. Better to miss out than just be creeped out the whole time.

[+ Axiom2001]

PNP (I mean meth specifically) is a hard no for me as well. I cannot handle being around that unpredictable, jittery energy. I passed up a chance with one of my favorite porn stars just because he had that on his profile. Better to miss out than just be creeped out the whole time.

 

I don't do METh, have NO interest at all! I'm with you...!

[Trick]

My fear is that the provider PnP’ing goes on a bad trip and hallucinates that I’m his enemy.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

I'm also equally as amazed at escorts who's copy says 'you can PNP while we're together, but I don't.'

 

Yikes.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Nice way to stigmatize drugs users, specially remarkable when is coming from a stigmatized community itself.

[Trick]

Nice way to stigmatize drugs users, specially remarkable when is coming from a stigmatized community itself.

 

This is an honest question. How should we deal with drug users in the context of the escort business?

[hypothetically]

This topic always comes up and everyone seems to be completely oblivious to the fact that there are equally if not more clients who PNP than escorts, hence the glamorizing and increased visibility of “pnp culture” on hiring platforms. Escorts verbalize and advertise these vices because they are monetary. A client who enjoys PNP is eager, heavy-handed on the cash and can’t be bothered with the back n forth. That equals quick and easy money. But it comes with a detrimental price...one escorts are willing to overlook for a fat wallet.

 

Everyone is always quick to point to the escort as the perpetrator, and it’s usually the opposite, but none of you would know that because it’s the elephant in the room and no client is going to talk openly about his relationship with PNP on the forum, so instead we scold the escort. If we’re going to continue to have this conversation, clients need to be held equally responsible for their role in this culture that is literally killing our community from the inside out, instead of further stigmatizing and painting the escort as the culprit. I have horror stories about walking into situations where clients are high.

Edited July 29, 2019 by hypothetically

[+ Keith30309]

I’ve seen a few guys who had PnP in their profile and am generally wary.

I’ve met 3 guys who I know were on something meth’ish and all 3 meets were a frustrating waste of time and left me feeling sad. One of the young guys seemed like a real sweetheart when we first talked and when we met he was a mess and pitiful. I once spend 3.5 hours with a guy on a 2-hr appointment and gave up (though to be honest at minute #121 the fault flipped from him to me for staying hoping for something spectacular.)

 

I’ll meet someone who has PnP checked on their RM profile but in my profile I’m pretty clear about showing up and leaving sober. I met a guy a couple of weeks ago who’d checked the box and he was the model of professionalism: communications, timeliness, focus, boundaries (mine and his).

 

To @hypothetically ‘s point, several guys I’ve gotten to know tell me they are often asked by clients to obtain party supplies.

[+ José Soplanucas]

This topic always comes up and everyone seems to be completely oblivious to the fact that there are equally if not more clients who PNP than escorts, hence the glamorizing and increased visibility of “pnp culture” on hiring platforms. Escorts verbalize and advertise these vices because they are monetary. A client who pnps is eager, heavy handed on the cash and can’t be bothered with the back n forth. That equals quick and easy money. But it comes with a detrimental price...one escorts are willing to overlook for a fat wallet.

 

Everyone is always quick to point to the escort as the perpetrator, and it’s usually the opposite, but none of you would know that because it’s the elephant in the room and no client is going to talk openly about his relationship with PNP on the forum, so instead we scold the escort. If we’re going to continue to have this conversation, clients need to be held equally responsible for their role in this culture that is literally killing our community from the inside out.

 

Whether we are talking about escorts or civilians, it is not important to me (although I understand why it is to you). It is discouraging how judgmental we are, how easy we put a label and marginalize a whole group of people, knowing how diverse that group is. This is not ignorance, it is pure bigotry.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Nice way to stigmatize drugs users, specially remarkable when is coming from a stigmatized community itself.

 

I don't condone stigmatizing recovering addicts, but commenting negatively on those not wanting to hire those still actively using?

 

Oy. This over-political correct bullshit needs to stop.

[+ José Soplanucas]

I don't condone stigmatizing recovering addicts, but commenting negatively on those not wanting to hire those still actively using?

 

Oy. This over-political correct bullshit needs to stop.

 

You are also part of the problem if you think that drug users are addicts. You know better than that.

 

I do think that having drugs involved is a yellow flag and requires further inquiring. Thanks to @Keith30309 for his balanced post.

[hypothetically]

Whether we are talking about escorts or civilians, it is not important to me (although I understand why it is to you). It is discouraging how judgmental we are, how easy we put a label and marginalize a whole group of people, knowing how diverse that group is. This is not ignorance, it is pure bigotry.

 

I agree. We need to stray away from scolding and stigmatizing and instead drop links to resources to aid those struggling with substance abuse. These topics are never productive and the commentary is often motivated by ignorance.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

You are also part pf the problem if you think that drug users are addicts. You know better than that.

 

I do think that having drugs involved is a yellow flag and requires further inquiring. Thanks to @Keith30309 for his balanced post.

 

Don't make assumptions about what I think: I said recovering addicts and then I mentioned current active users. Two separate things.

 

I do know better than that, which is why I never said or implied all drug users are addicts.

 

-Back on topic-

 

The OP stated he wasn't keen on his escorts coming to appointments high as kites, especially when they can't perform, much less communicate. I'd say he's spot on.

 

Edited July 29, 2019 by Benjamin_Nicholas

[hypothetically]

but commenting negatively on those not wanting to hire those still actively using?

 

I hear you but how many times do we have to do this?

[+ José Soplanucas]

Don't make assumptions about what I think: I said recovering addicts and then I mentioned current active users. Two separate things.

 

I do know better than that, which is why I never said or implied all drug users are addicts.

 

Back on topic. The OP stated he wasn't keen on escorts coming to appointments high as kites, especially when they can't perform, much less communicate. I'd say he's spot on.

 

You can choose to ignore the Inquisition, I choose to confront it.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

You can choose to ignore the Inquisition, I choose to confront it.

 

I'm sorry... I can't make sense of a conversation when people speak only in platitudes.

 

Like the gentleman we are, we shall agree to disagree

[+ José Soplanucas]

I'm sorry... I can't make sense of a conversation when people speak only in platitudes.

 

Like the gentleman we are, we shall agree to disagree

 

Of course. It is just weird that apparently you think you are not speaking, and siding with those who speak platitudes.

[marylander1940]

You are also part of the problem if you think that drug users are addicts. You know better than that.

 

I do think that having drugs involved is a yellow flag and requires further inquiring. Thanks to @Keith30309 for his balanced post.

 

I would recommend folks to stay away from addictive and illegal substance that will loosen their inhibitions and make them jeopardize their livelihoods and also their lives.

 

Yinz customers... do you really need cocaine/crack to enjoy the company of a hot guy? Viagra should be the only drug you need.

 

Nice way to stigmatize drugs users, specially remarkable when is coming from a stigmatized community itself.

 

I do stigmatize irresponsibility and putting your life, job, family, etc. in danger.

 

How many guys who do PNP can remember taking PrEP daily and before even wonder if there was condom on the guy fucking them?

 

I avoid hiring escorts who say they PNP. I find many care more about substances than about anything else, even money. Also when the escort is high, or even recovering from a high, he is not entirely present.

 

Other attitudes?

 

Exactly, sooner or later their cock won't work, they'll forget to go to the gym, take PrEP, showing up for an appointment, paying bills, etc.

 

Stay away.

 

@Benjamin_Nicholas you have lasted so many years in this business because your positive approach to life, your body and your reputation, if you had engage on regular PNP with clients or buddies non of those thigns would have lasted.

Edited July 29, 2019 by marylander1940

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

@Benjamin_Nicholas you have lasted so many years in this business because your positive approach to life, your body and your reputation, if you had engage on regular PNP with clients or buddies non of those thigns would have lasted.

 

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