PNP

[marylander1940]

Okay then, so how would you know what meth does to one’s productivity? An observation: you always come out the woodwork most aggressively about drug use, and with great conviction. That’s awesome you’re passionate about it (I wholeheartedly mean that) but you also seem to know the LEAST about substance abuse, so you yelling “ITS BAD!” and random things you’ve heard is motivated by nothing other than ignorance and that is why these topics get messy instead of informative. Coming from someone who has dealt with substance abuse first hand (and second hand)...it is slightly offensive and you are doing more harm than good. You’re saying a lot but you’re actually saying nothing at all. If you’re going to be an advocate for sobriety, make it make sense. Do it right.

 

Others have pointed similar opinions.

 

Pardon me if I take for granted that dependency on drugs is bad for a person. I'm sure as you always said "you're well equipped" to help others on the subject.

 

I (wholeheartedly) hope in your busy schedule you make time to watch and read news about the drug epidemic. Some folks say it was one of the things that made trump’s compassionate populism more credible

Edited July 30, 2019 by marylander1940

[+ oldNbusted]

This topic always comes up and everyone seems to be completely oblivious to the fact that there are equally if not more clients who PNP than escorts, hence the glamorizing and increased visibility of “pnp culture” on hiring platforms. Escorts verbalize and advertise these vices because they are monetary. A client who enjoys PNP is eager, heavy-handed on the cash and can’t be bothered with the back n forth. That equals quick and easy money. But it comes with a detrimental price...one escorts are willing to overlook for a fat wallet.

 

Everyone is always quick to point to the escort as the perpetrator, and it’s usually the opposite, but none of you would know that because it’s the elephant in the room and no client is going to talk openly about his relationship with PNP on the forum, so instead we scold the escort. If we’re going to continue to have this conversation, clients need to be held equally responsible for their role in this culture that is literally killing our community from the inside out, instead of further stigmatizing and painting the escort as the culprit. I have horror stories about walking into situations where clients are high.

 

I hope we can all concede the people who post here are in no way representative of typical clients. This is just a tiny little slice. I do get amused when people who do embrace this also want to say it's a better slice. It's just different. So it's no surprise to me the usual default is the problem is the escort. I think it's the same thinking in the threads about STDs that almost alway focus on escorts.

 

Having said all that, my perception when this comes up is there are two different topics.

 

First is the topic of not wanting to meet with someone who is acting flaky and is not focused. But as said so many times in other threads, it's best to communicate the desired experience up front. Of course, checking in with forum when possible can help.

 

The second topic is the fantasy of fraternizing with a so-called "drug-free" escort. I certainly wouldn't dump on a fantasy, to me it's not a whole lot different than the straight or bi guy fantasies. It does surprise me when people here, who I want to believe are knowledgeable and intelligent, believe that if a profile doesn't include any references and the escort says they do not partake, that this actually has any meaning. It's fantasy fulfillment. Who is administering screenings upon meeting?

 

I think people should take a close look to see if they are saying they want the second because they really want the first.

[Epigonos]

OldNbusted I partially agree with you but one needs to look at both sides of the coin. When an escort states upfront that he is into PNP it's a fairly safe bet that he does PNP. If, however, he doesn't mention PNP that certainly does not guarantee that he doesn't PNP. The only thing that is certain is that he isn't making a statement. The same thing applies to safe sex. When an escort states upfront that anything goes it's a fairly safe bet that he barebacks. If he states "safe sex only" there is no certainty that he is telling the truth and doesn't bareback. There are virtually no certainties in this world and that is definitely the case when comes reading escort's ads -- take it all with a grain of salt.

[tenderloin]

I hope we can all concede the people who post here are in no way representative of typical clients. This is just a tiny little slice. I do get amused when people who do embrace this also want to say it's a better slice. It's just different. So it's no surprise to me the usual default is the problem is the escort. I think it's the same thinking in the threads about STDs that almost alway focus on escorts.

 

Having said all that, my perception when this comes up is there are two different topics.

 

First is the topic of not wanting to meet with someone who is acting flaky and is not focused. But as said so many times in other threads, it's best to communicate the desired experience up front. Of course, checking in with forum when possible can help.

 

The second topic is the fantasy of fraternizing with a so-called "drug-free" escort. I certainly wouldn't dump on a fantasy, to me it's not a whole lot different than the straight or bi guy fantasies. It does surprise me when people here, who I want to believe are knowledgeable and intelligent, believe that if a profile doesn't include any references and the escort says they do not partake, that this actually has any meaning. It's fantasy fulfillment. Who is administering screenings upon meeting?

 

I think people should take a close look to see if they are saying they want the second because they really want the first.

 

I agree with much of what you said, but I think you miss an important point regarding the escort's stated preferences: clearly, the preference indicator is no guarantee of any particular behavior, and one would be foolish to assume it is. But if I do not want to deal with a drugged up escort, where are my odds better: the escort who says "no pnp" or the one who says "pnp" or "leTs parTy all The Time" ?

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

The second topic is the fantasy of fraternizing with a so-called "drug-free" escort. I certainly wouldn't dump on a fantasy, to me it's not a whole lot different than the straight or bi guy fantasies.

 

Your entire post was well-written, but I was especially taken with what you said here.

 

People often forget that 'drug use' can mean most anything controlled that's being taken without a script: I know more than a few escorts who have the body they have by abusing steroids. The side effects are problematic. The long term effects are no joke. And they didn't get the juice from a legitimate doctor.

 

For some people, drug-free really means just that: Zero tolerance

 

I fully believe there are guys on both sides of this who follow this ideology.

[hypothetically]

if I do not want to deal with a drugged up escort, where are my odds better: the escort who says "no pnp" or the one who says "pnp" or "leTs parTy all The Time" ?

 

A lot of people seem to be stuck on this archetypal image of a drug user. “High functioning addicts” in our business are common. (CC: @marylander1940 )

[hypothetically]

I hope we can all concede the people who post here are in no way representative of typical clients.

 

IN. NO. WAY.

Thank you for the reminder.

[marylander1940]

A lot of people seem to be stuck on this archetypal image of a drug user. “High functioning addicts” in our business are common. (CC: @marylander1940 )

 

Maybe you can teach us how to help them. You seem to have the knowledge and you're also "well equipped" on how to handle all problems.

 

I never called most escorts drug users... I think it's the opposite, guys who escort and last in the business don't do drugs and keep their lives together.

 

Funny that now you pay attention to my post (and the way they represent the position of unknown others) yet in one of your first post you said my opinion didn't matter in this section because I wasn't an escort.

Edited July 31, 2019 by marylander1940

[marylander1940]

I hope we can all concede the people who post here are in no way representative of typical clients. This is just a tiny little slice. I do get amused when people who do embrace this also want to say it's a better slice. It's just different. So it's no surprise to me the usual default is the problem is the escort. I think it's the same thinking in the threads about STDs that almost alway focus on escorts.

 

 

Yes, and btw there's no such a thing of a typical client because of men of all ages, backgrounds, social classes, etc. hire on and off for different reasons.

 

We can also say for sure that clients in the Bible belt are more likely to be married to a woman than clients in NYC or SF.

[marylander1940]

I'm just a bit tired of this topic. I taught high school for over thirty five years and was judgemental every day of those thirty five years. Furthermore I DO NOT hire escort who list PNP as something they are into. Yes I am a judgemental person and if that makes me an ignorant bigot -- so be it.

 

 

OldNbusted I partially agree with you but one needs to look at both sides of the coin. When an escort states upfront that he is into PNP it's a fairly safe bet that he does PNP. If, however, he doesn't mention PNP that certainly does not guarantee that he doesn't PNP. The only thing that is certain is that he isn't making a statement. The same thing applies to safe sex. When an escort states upfront that anything goes it's a fairly safe bet that he barebacks. If he states "safe sex only" there is no certainty that he is telling the truth and doesn't bareback. There are virtually no certainties in this world and that is definitely the case when comes reading escort's ads -- take it all with a grain of salt.

 

Exactly... if an escort lists PNP get ready for someone more likely NOT to show up, show up late, text you constantly while driving on his way to you, text you again to confirm your address, text you at your door instead of knocking, keep on texting you if you don't open the door within 5 seconds (because his time is precious and yours doesn't count) and also he may not be ready to do what asked because he didn't pay attention/remember what you said and he will be likely NOT to get his dick to work. Texting others before, during and after the appointment will happen too.