What's the preffered way to find a resource?

[+ TylerandAce]

Rentmen seems to have slowed for some reason in most cities, even the A-level markets. Adam4Adam is fairly bargain basement...we are too expensive for that platform most of the time. Guys on Instagram and Twitter just want to chat ENDLESSLY and try to get you to send videos and xxx pics. So, to clients and escorts alike, what's the best platform to use now? Is it just us, or do things seem to be shifting?

[Smurof]

I'd still go with rentmen, as friendboy.pro has many complaints about it lately. Hotmasseur seems to have people jumping ship left and right recently, and any others just don't have enough word of mouth to make it worthwhile.

[+ TylerandAce]

I'd still go with rentmen, as friendboy.pro has many complaints about it lately. Hotmasseur seems to have people jumping ship left and right recently, and any others just don't have enough word of mouth to make it worthwhile.

We get a little traffic from Friendboy, but it's not a great platform

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

All listing platforms are currently piss-poor. Rentmen is the new Rentboy and it shows.

 

I think that Daddy's Reviews remains the steadfast clearinghouse for reviews, conversation and information.

 

 

My personal opinion is that it never hurts to show real personality through a social media feed: Guys want to feel they know a little something about you before they pull the trigger. Find your voice, make it entertaining and put it out there.

 

Don't make the mistake of only selling yourself as a piece of meat. You reap what you sow.

Edited July 11, 2019 by Benjamin_Nicholas

[hypothetically]

Rentmen seems to have slowed for some reason in most cities, even the A-level markets. Adam4Adam is fairly bargain basement...we are too expensive for that platform most of the time. Guys on Instagram and Twitter just want to chat ENDLESSLY and try to get you to send videos and xxx pics. So, to clients and escorts alike, what's the best platform to use now? Is it just us, or do things seem to be shifting?

 

Things have definitely shifted from when I began, and that seems to be the general consensus with friends in the business, whether porn actors, casual hustlers or those who do it full time. Rentmen is the go-to but the climate definitely isn’t what it use to be. I’ve only been able to keep my business afloat by being inventive in how I market myself, per @Benjamin_Nicholas comment.

 

The market in Europe is much better and Hunqz has warranted me a great deal of success per consistency in business. I would encourage you guys to travel when you can. Fresh talent in fresh places is always a win.

[+ sam.fitzpatrick]

So, to clients and escorts alike, what's the best platform to use now?

 

It could never be you!

 

Is it becoming that our own contact history is the best source? I'm asking as I had a rent.men advertiser contact me yesterday inviting me for an appointment, even though I had only seen him once almost two years ago.

[+ TylerandAce]

It could never be you!

 

Is it becoming that our own contact history is the best source? I'm asking as I had a rent.men advertiser contact me yesterday inviting me for an appointment, even though I had only seen him once almost two years ago.

It could definitely just be us. People may just have moved on, so to speak. We aren't the freshest tulips in the bouquet. However, our engagement across all platforms remains strong to increasing. Social media presence is a full time job that I have on top of my full time job. If I put more of our regular life on social media than I do already, people might as well be living in the house with us. So, I think those of us who are working hard are doing what's necessary. I just want to stay ahead of the trends. We used Hunqz in Europe late this Spring and had good success. It's a better platform and is more accessible from both sides, client and resource. It seems that our market in the US is splintered and hard to reach...just like any other form of advertising these days, I suppose.

[NewDay]

We get a little traffic from Friendboy, but it's not a great platform

It is free, it is easy and it works. What else do you want from Friendboy.pro? Fields of gold?

[+ VictorPowers]

I’ll shed some light here. My close fellow provider many here know agrees with me that the market is seeing a shift. Only time will tell what that means for us

[Guest europeanman]

As a buyer, I am using instagram and personal referrals. It works well for guys who do not advertise, or see themselves as escorts.

[rogerG]

@TylerandAce

You definitely don't want to take business advice from escorts who aren't at the top of their game or who demonstrate terrible business practices in public view.

 

The service sector shifts all the time. It's very fluid. Unless there's a financial crash, it's difficult to point a finger at spending shifts. I'd be more inclined to study a mature man's ability to get horny in the era of couch potato.

 

Given the stock market, the unemployment rate, and the job numbers, disposable income should not be considered the problem. Customers have money and are definitely spending it. It should be noted that some high-end retailers are struggling in this volatile but thriving market.

 

Rentmen is not my favorite user experience, but IMO it seems to run better than Rentboy. At least their PM system seems to work better. Free advertising should never be completely dismissed. After all, it's a free chance for the fickle market to see more of you. Just be sure to use unique photos for every ad space. Repeated visual information is boring and does not motivate a sale.

 

Your generous presence on this board is most appreciated. You make yourself available by engaging with a specific customer market, and you treat every potential customer with respect, displaying a high level of professionalism for all to see. I can't state strongly enough how valuable that is for your business and its reputation. Some guys talk the talk but few can walk it all the way to the bank.

 

You seem to realize that everything you write as a professional on the internet will last forever. You are smart to choose your words with care, never insulting a potential customer.

 

I'm with you on your opinion of social media, but I'm not sure that market's age is worth your time. Before Tumblr shut down their XXX, I would have said create an account there and show personal photos and videos that don't appear anywhere else. Their viewership was huge, with a very broad age range. They serviced a strong daddy-loving market. Finding places to engage where other like-minded customers hang is key.

 

We aren't the freshest tulips in the bouquet.

Unfortunately, this may be your greatest challenge in a business that often values youth above all else. Also, gay men are notorious for desiring a constant change of scenery. It's tough to reinvent yourself every month. This means, your market may have a ceiling. Your numbers may have a limit. Still, the fetish for hot daddies will never die. As long as you stay in shape and focus your resources where it matters most, you will remain ahead of those who follow.

[+ Gar1eth]

Let me give a client perspective although I don't hire anymore-so let's call it an ex-client perspective.

 

I realize that prices have increased over time. But when you think about it...

 

My first hire was in 2002. I don't remember the fee for that experience. But in general I think fees were usually around $150 to $180 an hour. Two hour fees were often around $250 per hour. Now $250 often won't even cover an hour.

 

I learned over time that I usually preferred a two hour visit. Before my hiring days came to a halt, I often hired 4 or 5 times a month. But even if I were still working today and had a 6 figure salary, I hope I would be sensible enough to realize that at $300 an hour, I just couldn't afford to spend $2400 to $3000 a month. It would have been difficult to cut down as hiring provided almost all of my 'activity'. But I would have had to.

 

With you two, I would have wanted a weekend -or at least an overnight. But fees even with a 6 figure salary would have been prohibitive.

 

Gman

[rogerG]

The bankruptcy rumors of high-end NYC retailer Barney's hit news feeds yesterday. Looks like folks with deep pockets have tired of spending $$$$ on designer clothing made in China. There's a rumor going around real estate circles that Neiman Marcus wanted out of the Hudson Yards project. To keep them, I suppose they're getting free rent. I'm hearing the store is empty and the cute gay boys working there are bored out of their minds.

 

The economy for ridiculously expensive clothing may be hitting a serious snag, but this bears no relationship to men wanting to bust a nut with another hot guy and who are willing to pay for their current favorite fantasy. The easiest way to stimulate business, show the marketplace something new and exciting, and be sure to hit your customer. Some of us in gay business call this the Madonna principle.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

We live in a time where middle-America has never more clearly influenced trends in spending.

 

This will change, as it always does: Luxury spending is cyclical.

 

As for escorts, @rogerG is correct... Those who have the money are still spending it on gentleman callers.

[jjkrkwood]

We live in a time where middle-America has never more clearly influenced trends in spending.

 

This will change, as it always does: Luxury spending is cyclical.

 

As for escorts, @rogerG is correct... Those who have the money are still spending it on gentleman callers.

 

"I've always relied on the kindness of Strangers"....

[+ Gar1eth]

The bankruptcy rumors of high-end NYC retailer Barney's hit news feeds yesterday. Looks like folks with deep pockets have tired of spending $$$$ on designer clothing made in China. There's a rumor going around real estate circles that Neiman Marcus wanted out of the Hudson Yards project. To keep them, I suppose they're getting free rent. I'm hearing the store is empty and the cute gay boys working there are bored out of their minds.

 

The economy for ridiculously expensive clothing may be hitting a serious snag, but this bears no relationship to men wanting to bust a nut with another hot guy and who are willing to pay for their current favorite fantasy. The easiest way to stimulate business, show the marketplace something new and exciting, and be sure to hit your customer. Some of us in gay business call this the Madonna principle.

We live in a time where middle-America has never more clearly influenced trends in spending.

 

This will change, as it always does: Luxury spending is cyclical.

 

As for escorts, @rogerG is correct... Those who have the money are still spending it on gentleman callers.

 

Yes but-I still say it's getting to the point where escorts are pricing themselves out of the market. If a guy making 6 figures is hesitant-oh still wanting to hire-but unable to as much-then it will be less clients but at higher prices. But it seems to me there will still come a tipping point because escort fees are increasing much higher than salaries. High escort fees may drive up usage of the Hook-up apps by those inclined to hire.

 

Gman

[rogerG]

We live in a time where middle-America has never more clearly influenced trends in spending.

Not sure I fully understand this statement.

 

When it comes to designer clothing sold at Barney's and Neiman's, Middle America is influencing nothing. No source in Middle America (that I know of) is starting or setting a fashion trend. In the world of fashion it is often said, it's takes 2 years before a fashion trend takes hold in Middle America, even if the trend was given birth on television.

 

Social media has changed things, especially among the influencers. They seem to impact cosmetics purchases more than clothing. Clothing is still a very individual item. It's difficult to create a clothing trend when everyone's size varies so dramatically.

 

When it comes to expensive clothing, consumers across the country are caring less and less. In order to make Wintour's Met Gala relevant these days, Hollywood stars are forced to wear costumes posing as clothing. In order to turn heads in fashion, every day has to be Halloween. None of this nonsense will ever fly in Middle America.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Not sure I fully understand this statement.

 

You misread what I wrote.

 

I never said middle America was dictating fashion trends. I said spending trends.

[rogerG]

Sorry Tyler/Ace for the hi-jack.

 

@BenjaminNicholas

I read your post correctly. My eyesight hasn't gone yet. I mentioned earlier in the thread the drop in spending on high-end clothing. This has been the trend for quite awhile, and many fashion people blame the manufacturing shift to China. Clothing is a non-durable good which falls into spending trend stats. I have no idea what percentage designer clothing commands of the clothing category, but I know not much designer clothing is sold in Middle America.

 

Two-thirds of consumer spending in America is on services. I have not seen any data that supports the assertion that Middle America is dictating spending trends. Please share your sources and the relevant spending categories. I also can't imagine that HE massages or escort services play much role in the calculus of spending trends, since I doubt they are ever counted or recorded. I'm happy to be corrected if my information is incorrect.

[rogerG]

Sorry Tyler/Ace for the hi-jack.

 

@BenjaminNicholas

I read your post correctly. My eyesight hasn't gone yet. I mentioned earlier in the thread the drop in spending on high-end clothing. This has been the trend for quite awhile, and many fashion people blame the manufacturing shift to China. Clothing is a non-durable good which falls into spending trend stats. I have no idea what percentage designer clothing commands of the clothing category, but I know not much designer clothing is sold in Middle America.

 

Two-thirds of consumer spending in America is on services. I have not seen any data that supports the assertion that Middle America is dictating spending trends. Please share your sources and the relevant spending categories. I also can't imagine that HE massages or escort services play much role in the calculus of spending trends, since I doubt they are ever counted or recorded. I'm happy to be corrected if my information is incorrect.

[Deadlift1]

Cityrubs.com

[marylander1940]

@TylerandAce

You definitely don't want to take business advice from escorts who aren't at the top of their game or who demonstrate terrible business practices in public view.

 

I agree with you that @TylerandAce are very successful and many could learn from them but I also think people can learn from others especially in an activity that keeps evolving because of technology, demographics, PrEP, etc.

 

I have met many guys who seemed to be successful but were a mess and retired with nothing, others who kept a low profile while saving and getting ready for the future.

 

For the record I am not equating money with success in the escort business but has a lot to do with it.

 

I would suggest anybody visiting Texas to consult with @Benjamin_Nicholas !

[marylander1940]

As a buyer, I am using instagram and personal referrals. It works well for guys who do not advertise, or see themselves as escorts.

 

As long as they get hired they escort, just my 2 cents.

[+ José Soplanucas]

Rentmen seems to have slowed for some reason in most cities, even the A-level markets. Adam4Adam is fairly bargain basement...we are too expensive for that platform most of the time. Guys on Instagram and Twitter just want to chat ENDLESSLY and try to get you to send videos and xxx pics. So, to clients and escorts alike, what's the best platform to use now? Is it just us, or do things seem to be shifting?

 

There are many thoughtful and substantial responses in this thread. The bottom line is we are in the middle of a revolution and no one knows exactly what is goin on, what is coming next, and how to navigate this process. Be creative, try to have as much presence as you can in social media, and be alert and attentive to new trends to follow and study.

In your case, perhaps you need to recreate and revitalize your brand. Introduce yourself to the younger guys who may not know you, I understand one of nowadays trends is more and more guys in their 30s are joining the clients team. These guys are probably more into Twitter than into Daddy's reviews or Adam 4 Adam.

We are all walking in the dark, trying step by step to not fall down, if you are trying the new.

[Guest europeanman]

As long as they get hired they escort, just my 2 cents.

Yes, but they are not hired. They are compensated for sure, but they are not hired.