What's the preffered way to find a resource?

[+ TylerandAce]

It is free, it is easy and it works. What else do you want from Friendboy.pro? Fields of gold?

I want them not to show me in five cities at the same time. It's a confusing site and creates resentment on behalf of the client.

[+ OliverSaks]

I want them not to show me in five cities at the same time. It's a confusing site and creates resentment on behalf of the client.

I started posting my dates in the ad text (about me) as well as through the RM travel location section and it has cut down on some nonsense that I was getting

[+ TylerandAce]

@TylerandAce

You definitely don't want to take business advice from escorts who aren't at the top of their game or who demonstrate terrible business practices in public view.

 

The service sector shifts all the time. It's very fluid. Unless there's a financial crash, it's difficult to point a finger at spending shifts. I'd be more inclined to study a mature man's ability to get horny in the era of couch potato.

 

Given the stock market, the unemployment rate, and the job numbers, disposable income should not be considered the problem. Customers have money and are definitely spending it. It should be noted that some high-end retailers are struggling in this volatile but thriving market.

 

Rentmen is not my favorite user experience, but IMO it seems to run better than Rentboy. At least their PM system seems to work better. Free advertising should never be completely dismissed. After all, it's a free chance for the fickle market to see more of you. Just be sure to use unique photos for every ad space. Repeated visual information is boring and does not motivate a sale.

 

Your generous presence on this board is most appreciated. You make yourself available by engaging with a specific customer market, and you treat every potential customer with respect, displaying a high level of professionalism for all to see. I can't state strongly enough how valuable that is for your business and its reputation. Some guys talk the talk but few can walk it all the way to the bank.

 

You seem to realize that everything you write as a professional on the internet will last forever. You are smart to choose your words with care, never insulting a potential customer.

 

I'm with you on your opinion of social media, but I'm not sure that market's age is worth your time. Before Tumblr shut down their XXX, I would have said create an account there and show personal photos and videos that don't appear anywhere else. Their viewership was huge, with a very broad age range. They serviced a strong daddy-loving market. Finding places to engage where other like-minded customers hang is key.

 

 

Unfortunately, this may be your greatest challenge in a business that often values youth above all else. Also, gay men are notorious for desiring a constant change of scenery. It's tough to reinvent yourself every month. This means, your market may have a ceiling. Your numbers may have a limit. Still, the fetish for hot daddies will never die. As long as you stay in shape and focus your resources where it matters most, you will remain ahead of those who follow.

Thanks for the thoughtfulness in reply. You raise some valid points and we'll just keep doing what we are doing. And you're completely right about the social media engagement rate with the acceptable audience. Our highest rate of engagement is with 18-35, but our hiring range is from 40-69. Facebook would be the preferred platform, but obviously that's not an option. So, we'll keep doing what we do and try to keep presenting a fresh look :0

[+ TylerandAce]

Let me give a client perspective although I don't hire anymore-so let's call it an ex-client perspective.

 

I realize that prices have increased over time. But when you think about it...

 

My first hire was in 2002. I don't remember the fee for that experience. But in general I think fees were usually around $150 to $180 an hour. Two hour fees were often around $250 per hour. Now $250 often won't even cover an hour.

 

I learned over time that I usually preferred a two hour visit. Before my hiring days came to a halt, I often hired 4 or 5 times a month. But even if I were still working today and had a 6 figure salary, I hope I would be sensible enough to realize that at $300 an hour, I just couldn't afford to spend $2400 to $3000 a month. It would have been difficult to cut down as hiring provided almost all of my 'activity'. But I would have had to.

 

With you two, I would have wanted a weekend -or at least an overnight. But fees even with a 6 figure salary would have been prohibitive.

 

Gman

Yep...we have had inflation on the provider side, and yes we's expensive hookahs! lol. Good point, for sure. Extracurricular entertainment like this is only for the truly cash flush individual.

[+ TylerandAce]

I started posting my dates in the ad text (about me) as well as through the RM travel location section and it has cut down on some nonsense that I was getting

yeah...never have had trouble with RM at all. We've always done that and it works well.

[+ TylerandAce]

There are many thoughtful and substantial responses in this thread. The bottom line is we are in the middle of a revolution and no one knows exactly what is goin on, what is coming next, and how to navigate this process. Be creative, try to have as much presence as you can in social media, and be alert and attentive to new trends to follow and study.

In your case, perhaps you need to recreate and revitalize your brand. Introduce yourself to the younger guys who may not know you, I understand one of nowadays trends is more and more guys in their 30s are joining the clients team. These guys are probably more into Twitter than into Daddy's reviews or Adam 4 Adam.

We are all walking in the dark, trying step by step to not fall down, if you are trying the new.

Agree with this completely and we do it. IG and Twitter are an everyday job now, but they young'uns can't afford us. Sometimes we find a guy who wants to film with us and we are able to promote the fans pages. We are daddies to those guys, so we still capitalize on the market the best we can! :0

[+ TylerandAce]

Have you considered opting to spend time in new markets. There must be places to which you travel rarely or not at all. Even mature men are new men when they show up in cities to which they rarely travel. In your case, some of us guys in the northeast would love to have some southern charm heading up here.

Hey PK!

Yessiree...we only work when we travel. We choose a different market every six weeks and visit. Normally it's somewhere reasonable in the Southeast we can make and return in a long weekend. Due to work-a-day careers, it's tough to be gone longer. We keep it close for that reason. Every once in a while we'll find reasonable airfare somewhere decent and try that. We had good luck in Cleveland last year, surprisingly.

[+ TylerandAce]

Pretty much the same as I’ve been saying all along. I’m actually finding the level of demand from Rentmen to be a bit overwhelming in many cities, however it seems to be an equal amount of real and faux types contacting from the site. At the same time, the consolidation of all escort sites to Rentmen has made it the perfect fishing pond. On both sides, for clients and escorts alike.

 

However, despite some people on the forum who think I’m mentally ill (I’ve got to start using insanity pleas to my advantage now, maybe I can retire early and collect a check lol)...I’ll just go ahead and give you my sensible opinion as far as your concern re: “is it just us” from a perspective of someone who has been with many clients, over many years, in many different circumstances:

 

I think you and your partner are a great duo, and I’m glad you found love with someone who is also in the business. However, my experience has shown me that if you really want to get the full benefit of your advertisement, you have to be 1 on 1. I don’t know if you guys work separately or not, but the average client is going to either be too inexperienced for a 3 way or too afraid to do a 3 way. Also, cost is going to be a factor. I don’t know how much you guys charge, but if it’s more than $300, that’s also going to tip the scales of a 1st time client as well.

 

Me personally, as much as I love 3 ways and such, I had to learn that the best results are going to be when you go at it alone. Porn videos seem to convey the idea that 3, 4, 5 way scenes are what people want...it’s simply not true. It’s a fantasy if anything. Most clients want to meet 1 on 1. I remember a time I took down all my selfie porn videos, and my response rate went up.

 

As an example: around this time last week, I did a 3 way with a client and another Black dude who had a banging body (I add emphasis because generally when a client hires me in a 3 som, it’s 99.99% another black guy...so hypothetically, if I were to work with someone, it would most likely be another Black or possible Latino guy) who just “happened” to be there when I arrive. I knew he was there because the client told me. However, trying to do the session almost didn’t work. The client wasn’t communicating what he was wanting, and the other dude was more into me than the client.

 

The client was about to send me home with $250 for 5 minutes, but I mitigated the situation...I had to refocus attention on the client, and essentially lead the other guy to what the client was wanting. Which was getting dicked down by 2 BBCs.

 

The next day, the client reached out to me and said how much fun he had, but next time he wanted to do it 1 on 1. So that’s the thing, if you want the full benefit, you want to shine on your own. Both of you can still work together, but shine on your own.

It's a good point. We get passed over a lot because we only see clients together. However, we want to stay married more than we want to see clients, so it's a non-starter. Also, we fall into the fetish category. people into us are willing to pay because we are unique and the husband has a "name". And finally, we are a lot more than $300 and don't plan on changing it. We see very few clients and the cost usually brings us respectful, clean, well educated men who appreciate our services. It works well. My OP was just inquiring about advertising/shopping trends impacted by new media.

[Mocha]

It's a good point. We get passed over a lot because we only see clients together. However, we want to stay married more than we want to see clients, so it's a non-starter. Also, we fall into the fetish category. people into us are willing to pay because we are unique and the husband has a "name". And finally, we are a lot more than $300 and don't plan on changing it. We see very few clients and the cost usually brings us respectful, clean, well educated men who appreciate our services. It works well. My OP was just inquiring about advertising/shopping trends impacted by new media.

 

That makes perfect sense, and ultimately you’re in control as to what your sessions entail and with whom. I just included that when you mentioned “is it just is“.

 

Having a niche can definitely be an edge. And there’s definitely a demand for two guys. I do think it comes down to location too.

 

I am currently in a conservative Midwest town and try to keep travels going every 2 to 3 weeks. Just one full 1 month here can be excruciating. As long as I keep my travels going, I can keep my money up. But when I stay too long, things starts looking rough real quick. I’ve been looking to move to Saint Louis because I seem to get a lot more biz there than KC, but Saint Louis and especially Kansas City, seems to have a “I’ll book you properly the first time, but then bail on the 2nd meet” mentality. So I’m going to have to make sure that’s not going to be a pattern before I set any roots there.

 

People in Kansas City do that all the time, and it gets on my last. That’s why I stay traveling, and usually stay gone for 2 to 3 weeks.

Edited July 22, 2019 by Mocha

[+ José Soplanucas]

Agree with this completely and we do it. IG and Twitter are an everyday job now, but they young'uns can't afford us. Sometimes we find a guy who wants to film with us and we are able to promote the fans pages. We are daddies to those guys, so we still capitalize on the market the best we can! :0

 

That is one of the new trends. The new euphemism amongst adult entertainers is "let's collaborate" instead of "let's fuck". The established guys need fresh meat, and the newbies need the followers platform of the established guys, or both need access to a new audience, so it is a win-win deal.

[rogerG]

Our highest rate of engagement is with 18-35, but our hiring range is from 40-69.

When I worked in the high end spa business, our massage sessions were among the highest priced. To advertise this service, we used models in their late 20's, even though the bulk of our massage customers were 40-85. Everyone enjoys an innocent fantasy.

 

It's not smart to assume that 18-35 year olds can afford higher prices. Some can, and some may book, but they shouldn't consume too much attention because that age group won't pay off (not until they get older).

[+ TylerandAce]

When I worked in the high end spa business, our massage sessions were among the highest priced. To advertise this service, we used models in their late 20's, even though the bulk of our massage customers were 40-85. Everyone enjoys an innocent fantasy.

 

It's not smart to assume that 18-35 year olds can afford higher prices. Some can, and some may book, but they shouldn't consume too much attention because that age group won't pay off (not until they get older).

Correct...hence the fans pages at that point. It's not slick studio porn but it's not in-person either. The fans pages get us in their mind for later. That is IF we are still around when they are able to afford...ROFL.

[Mocha]

That is one of the new trends. The new euphemism amongst adult entertainers is "let's collaborate" instead of "let's fuck". The established guys need fresh meat, and the newbies need the followers platform of the established guys, or both need access to a new audience, so it is a win-win deal.

 

Correct...hence the fans pages at that point. It's not slick studio porn but it's not in-person either. The fans pages get us in their mind for later. That is IF we are still around when they are able to afford...ROFL.

 

Speaking of Twitter/Only Fans, I must say despite being on Twitter since 2014, I’m continually trying to establish my place there. I know I’ve spoke with Bryan Knight and Alex Hawk about their presence on Twitter.

 

I’m still trying to figure out the ultimate place of Twitter, for escorts who aren’t combining their work with filming. I am appreciating the ability to socialize/network and get “likes” to my content. This year I’ve also hit it off with someone else’s “follower” and did some shoots with a photographer in Chicago, who’s posting of 2 of my photos to his Twitter page, earned me an extra 150 followers in less than a month.

 

However, I’ve not actually gotten an appointment from Twitter...but I do have existing clients who happen to see or follow me on Twitter. And as far as connections outside of escorting, I still seem to be getting better results on the regular routes of meeting.

 

As much as I find Twitter intriguing and appreciate that it keeps us sex workers in “the know” and connects you to any and everyone you’d want to follow, sometimes it gets to be too much. It goes back to what I was saying about “shine on your own”.

 

Even though Twitter can inspire a person to step their game up, it can also be a distraction. It can be difficult to shine on your own, and be a distraction in strategizing your own success...when every 5 seconds another entertainer is updating their latest escapade.

 

So the way I see it is: Are people there to actually connect and establish a relationship with a provider, or are they there just to voyeur and look at all the already free content being put out? And if so...is it bringing the desired result to my bottom line?

[BaronArtz]

Let me give a client perspective although I don't hire anymore-so let's call it an ex-client perspective.

 

I realize that prices have increased over time. But when you think about it...

 

My first hire was in 2002. I don't remember the fee for that experience. But in general I think fees were usually around $150 to $180 an hour. Two hour fees were often around $250 per hour. Now $250 often won't even cover an hour.

 

I learned over time that I usually preferred a two hour visit. Before my hiring days came to a halt, I often hired 4 or 5 times a month. But even if I were still working today and had a 6 figure salary, I hope I would be sensible enough to realize that at $300 an hour, I just couldn't afford to spend $2400 to $3000 a month. It would have been difficult to cut down as hiring provided almost all of my 'activity'. But I would have had to.

 

With you two, I would have wanted a weekend -or at least an overnight. But fees even with a 6 figure salary would have been prohibitive.

 

Gman

 

I agree with you. When the escort rates started getting into the 250-300 category, I found out that hiring a top notch masseur for 160-180 was the more reasonable option and, with the right provider, a more satisfying experience overall. Escort should realize that they have competition not only from other escorts but also from masseurs and other service providers.

 

To stay on subject - masseurfinder.com has sanitized itself to the point that it is a totally dull website. But I like rentmasseur.com

[rogerG]

How is rentmasseur any less sanitized than masseurfinder? These sites are nothing more than a hosting site for G-rated pics in our new political climate. Some people like wood floors, while others like carpeting. Big deal. Some of these so-called massage therapists are posting more travel selfies than you'll find on Trip Advisor. What does a photo with the Eiffel Tower in the background have to do with presenting yourself as a competent massage therapist? Nothing. Most of these ads are laughable, and a waste of money.

[+ Gar1eth]

Let me give a client perspective although I don't hire anymore-so let's call it an ex-client perspective.

 

I realize that prices have increased over time. But when you think about it...

 

My first hire was in 2002. I don't remember the fee for that experience. But in general I think fees were usually around $150 to $180 an hour. Two hour fees were often around $250 per hour. Now $250 often won't even cover an hour.

 

I learned over time that I usually preferred a two hour visit. Before my hiring days came to a halt, I often hired 4 or 5 times a month. But even if I were still working today and had a 6 figure salary, I hope I would be sensible enough to realize that at $300 an hour, I just couldn't afford to spend $2400 to $3000 a month. It would have been difficult to cut down as hiring provided almost all of my 'activity'. But I would have had to.

 

With you two, I would have wanted a weekend -or at least an overnight. But fees even with a 6 figure salary would have been prohibitive.

 

Gman

I agree with you. When the escort rates started getting into the 250-300 category, I found out that hiring a top notch masseur for 160-180 was the more reasonable option and, with the right provider, a more satisfying experience overall. Escort should realize that they have competition not only from other escorts but also from masseurs and other service providers.

 

To stay on subject - masseurfinder.com has sanitized itself to the point that it is a totally dull website. But I like rentmasseur.com

 

 

Massage doesn't usually do it for me unless it's a prelude to s-x. Or for example I have a lot of trouble being with an escort who does everthing I like except kiss. It just ends up frustrating me even though aside from the kissing, he might match 100% of what I like. In the same fashion, even an erotic massage with a happy ending, still frustrates me because I need what I'd get from a full escort experience. I'll admit to considering getting a massage from time to time -and occasionally I've succumbed. But it's been over a year. Every time I think about possibly getting one, I remember how unsatisfying the last one was.

 

 

How is rentmasseur any less sanitized than masseurfinder? These sites are nothing more than a hosting site for G-rated pics in our new political climate. Some people like wood floors, while others like carpeting. Big deal. Some of these so-called massage therapists are posting more travel selfies than you'll find on Trip Advisor. What does a photo with the Eiffel Tower in the background have to do with presenting yourself as a competent massage therapist? Nothing. Most of these ads are laughable, and a waste of money.

 

As I recall there were always non-massage type photos on ads. Rentmasseur is better than Masseurfinder because it lists whether the masseur performs sensual or erotic massage and there are more revealing pictures available if you become a paid member. Plus I've noticed that around midnight or so, Masseurfinder hides contact info on the guys even if their ads states they take late appointments.

 

Gman

Edited July 25, 2019 by Gar1eth

[rogerG]

Rentmasseur is better than Masseurfinder because it lists whether the massage therapist performs sensual or erotic massage and there are more revealing pictures available if you become a paid member.

Had not noticed that before. Do not like the design of rentmasseur. Never bothered to learn the site. Would never pay a web host to see more revealing photos. (edit)

Edited July 25, 2019 by rogerG

[+ TylerandAce]

Speaking of Twitter/Only Fans, I must say despite being on Twitter since 2014, I’m continually trying to establish my place there. I know I’ve spoke with Bryan Knight and Alex Hawk about their presence on Twitter.

 

I’m still trying to figure out the ultimate place of Twitter, for escorts who aren’t combining their work with filming. I am appreciating the ability to socialize/network and get “likes” to my content. This year I’ve also hit it off with someone else’s “follower” and did some shoots with a photographer in Chicago, who’s posting of 2 of my photos to his Twitter page, earned me an extra 150 followers in less than a month.

 

However, I’ve not actually gotten an appointment from Twitter...but I do have existing clients who happen to see or follow me on Twitter. And as far as connections outside of escorting, I still seem to be getting better results on the regular routes of meeting.

 

As much as I find Twitter intriguing and appreciate that it keeps us sex workers in “the know” and connects you to any and everyone you’d want to follow, sometimes it gets to be too much. It goes back to what I was saying about “shine on your own”.

 

Even though Twitter can inspire a person to step their game up, it can also be a distraction. It can be difficult to shine on your own, and be a distraction in strategizing your own success...when every 5 seconds another entertainer is updating their latest escapade.

 

So the way I see it is: Are people there to actually connect and establish a relationship with a provider, or are they there just to voyeur and look at all the already free content being put out? And if so...is it bringing the desired result to my bottom line?

Twitter and IG drive the fan site traffic for us. The clips and previews definitely help keep interest alive. We were doing shout-outs on the fans pages for a while, but that just sent our followers to other sites and we risked losing them as a follower. We find that most guys will only subscribe to two or possibly three pages at once. They like to skip around and we have to remind them to return to us at some point.

[Mocha]

Escort should realize that they have competition not only from other escorts but also from masseurs and other service providers.

 

I’ve been on that level for awhile. Fact: many of the guys who go for escorts, usually started with a male massage first. I used to bring them in round the clock when craigslist and backpage were around. And men4rent and rentboy were for the full service clients.

 

But I know people have discussed the rates. When I was having people in and out of my door, charging something like 60-80 (nearly 10 years ago, and an ad was only like $5 a day, and I only needed to post couple times a week) for a rub. The issue was, most guys wanted to more...way more. And trying to upsell from $60 to $200 was too much of sticker shock.

 

So I let go of the volume, and just focused on what would be best for me. And considering now there’s no “bargain” sites anymore and everyone is consolidated to the Rent enterprise (a double edged sword), there’s really no reason for me to offer low rates anymore. People are now accustomed to:

 

If you want a gay, nude massage, and a lil touchy feely on the side, it’s not going to be $60 for 60 minutes. That’s the point I was making in my other thread in the spa. I have known gay masseurs who don’t advertise on any of the gay massage sites. Those guys are content seeing multiple clients a day, for $60-$100...and they do good, but usually work out of a studio.

 

But someone like me working from home or a hotel, I don’t want that constant volume. It’s too much traffic in my personal space. So when people on sites like Adam say, “oh well my regular guy only charges me $60”, I’m not interested in bargaining with them because that’s not how I run things.

[Brock O]

I am truly amazed and pleased that so many posters on this thread have made so many cogent comments.

 

You two guys are unique in several ways:

 

• You only take appointments together.
  
• You don’t live in a major metropolitan area.
  
• Your escort travels are very limited geographically.
  
• You have full time jobs outside of escorting which limit your time to escort.
  

I am going to use myself here as an example client. I got together with the two of you two or three years ago and have been looking to do so again ever since. The simple problem is that we have never been in the same place at the same time. I don’t travel to your part of the country and I can’t remember when the two of you were last in Southern California. With the above four limitations you might just be doing as well as you can. I would be willing to bet some serious cash that if you made periodic WELL ANNOUNCED visits to places like San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, D.C., and Atlanta, on rentmen, your client base would increase considerably. Come to Southern California and we are DEFINITELTY on for dinner and a couple of hour of play time.

Putting in a plug here for travel to DC!

[Muscle Lover 2]

I agree with Epigonos, Tyler/Ace. You guys are hot as hell. I can't wait until we are in the same city (area) at the same time. I will have no reservations about age or price seeing you guys. But limited hours and traveling do affect whether I get that chance or not. I still primarily use RentMen to shop.