Did Rosie Call Our Troops Terrorists?

[EXPAT]

NO!!!!!

 

The following is from Rosie's blog today:

 

The is directly from the transcripts of The View for May 17th:

 

O’DONNELL: …… I just want to say something. 655,000 Iraqi civilians are dead. Who are the terrorists?

HASSELBECK: Who are the terrorists?

O’DONNELL: 655,000 Iraqis — I’m saying you have to look, we invaded –

HASSELBECK: Wait, who are you calling terrorists now? Americans?

O’DONNELL: I’m saying if you were in Iraq, and the other country, the United States, the richest in the world, invaded your country and killed 655,000 of your citizens, what would you call us?

HASSELBECK: Are we killing their citizens or are their people also killing their citizens?

O’DONNELL: We’re invading a sovereign nation, occupying a country against the U.N.

 

I just watched Chris Matthews and his panel of journalists including Howard Feinman, Jill Zuckman, and Jonathan Capehart. Matthews asked the panel after replaying that segment of the show if she in fact said that our troops were the terrorists. They unanimously agreed with Matthews that she did call our troops terrorists. That conforms with the majority of journalists who have reported on this comment.

 

Rosie does not mention the troops at all in that segment of the show. She poses a rhetorical question. “Who are the terrorists?” “I’m saying if you were in Iraq, and the other country, the United States, the richest in the world, invaded your country and killed 655,000 of your citizens, what would you call us?”In both of her rhetorical questions she refers to the “United States” and “us.” The policy of the United States or “our” policy in Iraq is not the responsibility of the soldiers who are ordered to execute the policy. It is obvious that state supported terrorism can only be implemented by those who have the responsibility of doing the fighting and dying. But, it is not the soldiers who are the terrorists in that hypothetical. And she was not calling the soldiers terrorists.

 

It is absolutely absurd that these journalists agreed with the interpretation that Matthews and the majority of the MSM had concluded.These journalists who are supposed to be experts on language and communication certainly know that she meant that the U.S. policy was the villain here and not the soldiers. Yet they persist in accusing the accusers who do not fit into their elite club. People like Rosie and others who have been branded as eccentric and outside the main stream are always fair game. They do it with many others who speak truth to power by carefully portraying sound bites out of context. They have done that to Noam Chomsky and Gore Vidal for years.

 

The truth is that it was the elite reporters like the Hardball panel aforementioned who aided and abetted the rush to war in Iraq and fostered the terrorist policy that has resulted in this catastrophe. So it is not Rosie who is the villain. It is journalists like these who have to rationalize their lack of courage and appropriate skepticism of a “policy” that has resulted in the deaths of thousands of our soldiers and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis.

 

- Taken from Rosie's Blog this evening.

[+ Lucky]

Rosie is a pig.

[+ deej]

The real sound byte out of that was when Hasselbeck said "Trump is easy to fight with because he's obnoxious".

 

Where is the outrage?

 

When the fat lesbian says it, he holds press conferences and threatens lawsuits. When the cute blonde says it, he ignores it. Where is the Trump response?

 

This was a planned dustup. A publicity stunt. And boy is it working!

[EXPAT]

I think you are right as well that it was a setup. Ratings sweeps week/month as well as setting up the remaining hosts after Rosie leaves. Although lots of messages everywhere about it.

[Guest GBoy]

Why would you call someone a pig when all she did is speak her mind?

 

Calling people name is so childish and so unfair to those people who just trying to find a way to start a dialogue between two sides.

 

Rosie might not be your cup of tea, but she is much better than others only complaints and doing nothing to improve the situation. She said what she believes and I am glad she is doing so.

 

She also shows millions of viewers that gay people has families, has opinions, has courage and has compassions for this country.

 

You have your right to hold your opinion on Rosie, I just wish rather calling her a pig, voice your opinion on what you don't agree with her.

[+ purplekow]

I happened to be home and see the View. Rosie seemed way out of line with her attack on Elizabeth. Clearly Rosie feels that Elizabeth did not come to her defense over the terrorist references. Elizabeth for her part said it was not her place to come to Rosie's defense and that Rosie made the comments that lead to the speculation and that she should comment of the fall out. It got ugly and Rosie did seem to be wallowing (not a pig reference) in self-pity while lambasting Elizabeth. Politically, I agree with Rosie but on a personal respect level, Rosie should have never brought her personal fight to the television airwaves. Neither of these women are good enough actresses to pull off such a convincing fight. Have you seen Rosie in Exit to Eden? (Rent it though not for Rosie's acting but for Paul Mercurio's ass, a work of art and on display almost non-stop in the movie.)

I have never seen a purplekow;

I never hope to see one;

I can tell you anyhow;

I'd rather see than be one

 

Help there is a purplekow in my mirror

[Guest EuropTravl]

>>"I just watched Chris Matthews and his panel of journalists including Howard Feinman, Jill Zuckman, and Jonathan Capehart. Matthews asked the panel after replaying that segment of the show if she in fact said that our troops were the terrorists. They unanimously agreed with Matthews that she did call our troops terrorists."

 

If I'm not mistaken, that's not Rosie's favorite target Fox News. That's MSNBC, the anti-Fox News. Compared to the preliminary boxing match with a very lightweight ditzy blonde, this must have completly knocked her out. Chris Matthews? Howard Feinman? Not exactly Hannity and Bill O.

[Guest alanm]

Rosie is right on most things, but she comes across as someone who never has a thought that is not immediately expressed.

 

Despite all her faults, I'll take Rosie any day over those Washington types that blow smoke up Chris Matthews' ass every night on MSNBC.

[Steven_Draker]

>This was a planned dustup. A publicity stunt. And boy is it working!

 

It's all over the news today. I had a chuckle watching it.

 

Steven D.

http://www.hotsexystud.com

[Guest flamengo]

Chris Matthews and Rosie both deserve smoke blown up their ass followed by a stick of dynamite - 3 sticks in Rosie's case! Poor Rosie - she just can't take it when an intelligent person confronts her. I don't think the confrontation with Elizabeth was scripted so poor Rosie had tears in her eyes and told Elizabeth the she wasn't

going to "play" with her anymore. Bring on Ann Coulter and let her knaw some of that blubber off Rosie. Of course, Rosie would be ill that day. She's not going to confront an intelligent person with opposing views.

[AdamSmith]

This whole brouhaha seems to swallow hook, line and sinker the premise that 'The View' et al. is about serious political discourse, rather than the manufacture of celebrity and the maximization of its market value.

 

Give us a break.

[Guest msclonly]

Have you noticed how much that picture of unRosie resembles a slightly heavier Michael Jackson, the ex-entertainer?

 

She could be referred to as THE MOUTH! }(

[FinFangFoom]

OF COURSE she's calling the troops terrorists!

 

She's not DIRECTLY saying that, however, who is in Iraq doing all the things she says are "terrorizing" the Iraqis? The TROOPS! It's not a bunch of retirees from Florida doing it.

 

So for her to say that or policies are terrorizing Iraqis but not the troops is illogical. Policies can't terrorize without terrorists.

 

I've always loved Rosie, but unfortunately, she's irreparably harmed herself with all the asinine things she's said on the show. She thinks WTC7 was brought down by explosives yet refuses to acknowledge that this has been debunked by MIT scientists and Popular Mechanics.

 

Intellectually, the laziest thing about the conspiracy theories with the collapse of the towers is that no one has explained how all the explosives that would be necessary to bring down those three buildings were put into the buildings yet NO ONE noticed all the TNT being brought in.

 

Sadly, Rosie has lost her mind and is daily making a fool of herself.

 

Unfortunately yours,

 

FFF

[TinyBubbles]

WHO CARES!!!! Two hags yelling at each other on TV...

[+ deej]

>When the fat lesbian says it, he holds press conferences and

>threatens lawsuits. When the cute blonde says it, he ignores

>it. Where is the Trump response?

 

I just saw the Trump response.

 

He admits being obnoxious and says Hasselbeck is known as the dumbest blonde on television. ROFLMAO

 

And the publicity stunt plays on....

[raulgmanzo]

I don't know a thing about Rosie O'Donnel and never saw her show except for internet excerpts about this incident. This might be a publicity stunt, or she might deserves whatever BS comes about because of her question and its implications. I don't know.

 

But I am deeply troubled by the politcal climate in our country and how discussion is stifled for fear of being unpatriotic or not supportive of our troops. It is my understanding that many Iraqis and people in various parts of the world DO consider the U.S.A. to be inflicting terror on them. So talking about it and posing questions about it might not be unreasonable.

 

Let me state that I am not saying that anybody is or isn't a terrorist. Frankly I hate the term terrorist and feel it doesn't serve much purpose except to make it taboo to talk about the causes that the terrorist (evil as he/she may be) purports to support.

 

Two wrongs don't make a right so of course one shouldn't murder, even if they feel the U.S. has done them a horrible injustice. Murderers must be caught and punished. But three wrongs also don't make a right. When a maniac kills people in the name of some cause or movement are we not allowed to address that cause and any underlying injustice? Because we don't want to reward the terrorists? Is that fair to the innocent who have NOT resorted to violence but continue to suffer?

 

I'm ashamed at how political discourse is limited by the need to avoid saying anything that can be construed as anti-troops, anti-american or soft on terrorists.

[RM]

I'm glad I don't watch the view. Who wants to listen to someone who asks the same rhetorical question four times in a row and won't answer it? And who cares whether that implies that the American people, the troops, George Bush, Hilary Clinton, or Rosie herself is the terrorist?

[seattlebottom]

>Chris Matthews and Rosie both deserve smoke blown up their

>ass followed by a stick of dynamite - 3 sticks in Rosie's

>case! Poor Rosie - she just can't take it when an intelligent

>person confronts her. I don't think the confrontation with

>Elizabeth was scripted so poor Rosie had tears in her eyes and

>told Elizabeth the she wasn't

>going to "play" with her anymore. Bring on Ann Coulter and

>let her knaw some of that blubber off Rosie. Of course, Rosie

>would be ill that day. She's not going to confront an

>intelligent person with opposing views.

 

 

The words intelligent, Elisabeth Hasselbeck and Ann Coulter just don't seem right in the same passage.

[+ purplekow]

Bring on Ann Coulter and

>>let her knaw some of that blubber off Rosie.

 

I thought banshees such as Coulter wailed a high pitched moan and caused your soul to leave your body. Gnawing flesh is more in keeping with cannibalism and comparing Ann Coulter actions to those of a cannibal is really demeaning to cannibals of all sorts.

 

I have never seen a purplekow;

I never hope to see one;

I can tell you anyhow;

I'd rather see than be one

 

Help there is a purplekow in my mirror

[Guest zipperzone]

>I'm glad I don't watch the view.

 

Basically, neither do I although the odd time I'll check it out for a few minutes if their is a feud going on (Trump etc)

 

To me, the show is nothing but a bunch of shrill women each trying to outdo the others by interupting and talking over them.

 

I'm surprised that Walters associates herself with it (she must have made enough $$$ without The View)

 

I'm even more surprised that it has lasted over 10 years!

[Guest msclonly]

I never cease to be amazed at all the Intelligence people like Rosie and Michael Moore-less must have access to, which gives them such expertise and insight on what our leaders should be doing and how wrong they are. Yet I doubt if I would take their recommendations for a restaurant from just looking at their physiogamy!

 

Unfortunately, they are not using much of their brain when they are bladdering at the top of their lungs. Their thinking is done with their stomachs, which tell us more about their feelings, that they don't like and can't get rid of them more then what they are ranting about. Their anger is misdirected and gives them little in the way of satisfaction or joy of living. How sad? }(

[+ purplekow]

>I never cease to be amazed at all the Intelligence people

>like Rosie and Michael Moore-less must have access to, which

>gives them such expertise and insight on what our leaders

>should be doing and how wrong they are. Yet I doubt if I

>would take their recommendations for a restaurant from just

>looking at their physiogamy!

>

>Unfortunately, they are not using much of their brain when

>they are bladdering at the top of their lungs. Their thinking

>is done with their stomachs, which tell us more about their

>feelings, that they don't like and can't get rid of them more

>then what they are ranting about. Their anger is misdirected

>and gives them little in the way of satisfaction or joy of

>living. How sad? }(

 

So because they are fat you can assume deep seated problems with expressing their true feelings? Man Santa must be in psychoanalysis, surprised he hasn't crashed that sleigh into a highway buttress.

Well enough of my blathering, I need to go pee so I will be bladdering.

 

I have never seen a purplekow;

I never hope to see one;

I can tell you anyhow;

I'd rather see than be one

 

Help there is a purplekow in my mirror

[jackhammer91406]

>But I am deeply troubled by the politcal climate in our

>country and how discussion is stifled for fear of being

>unpatriotic or not supportive of our troops.

 

>

>I'm ashamed at how political discourse is limited by the need

>to avoid saying anything that can be construed as anti-troops,

>anti-american or soft on terrorists.

 

 

I agree. Too often in recent times, name calling and baiting , fear mongering and demigoguery(sp?) have replaced debate. Real debate has been sullied by 24 hour news and talking pundits and is no real substitute for an exchnage of ideas in a REAL attempt to find solutions to problems.

 

Yesterday my guests and I watched a rental DVD from Blockuster called BOBBY. IT's a fine film and brings back many memories of that fatal day in June 1968 when Bobby Kennedy was assassinated. But the most powerful moment for me was at the end. Over a montage of aftermath scenes at the Ambassador hotel, a recording of a speech given by Bobby was played. I am not sure where the speech was given (it may have been the speech he gave the night Martin Luther King was assassinated.

But he talked about this very thing. When public discourse is replaced with partisan demi-goguery (sp?) neither the public, nor democracy is served. I do the speech poor justice and would love it if someone with more intelligence could find a source for the speech and post it.

[Guest msclonly]

Sorry, I didn't say a word about fat!

It must be a sensitive issue for you!

 

Physiogamy refers to more then body type!

 

[Guest PWIT]

>Why would you call someone a pig when all she did is speak

>her mind?

>

>Calling people name is so childish and so unfair to those

>people who just trying to find a way to start a dialogue

>between two sides.

>

>Rosie might not be your cup of tea, but she is much better

>than others only complaints and doing nothing to improve the

>situation. She said what she believes and I am glad she is

>doing so.

>

>She also shows millions of viewers that gay people has

>families, has opinions, has courage and has compassions for

>this country.

>

>You have your right to hold your opinion on Rosie, I just wish

>rather calling her a pig, voice your opinion on what you don't

>agree with her.

 

The irony of your post. Sort of poetic justice. Name calling is what gets Rosie in trouble. Instead of debating her point, she resorts to name calling or character assassination. This makes her less effective as a gay role model.