EFFEMINATE VS MASCULINE

[+ José Soplanucas]

I do not understand why you are giving negative ratings to many people here based on what?

 

Negative ratings are fine in almost all cases. But, this thread is especially sensitive to many people, not just you.

 

LOL! Why do you care, William? It is just laughable and pity. I will wait t the negative rating to this post to laugh loudly and get some weird looks in the airport where I am waiting for my flight. F-U-N-N-Y!

[marylander1940]

as long as you are kind and non flaky I don't care what you look like or what you act like.

 

As a provider your position is different...

 

There was a long thread about an escort who refused to have dinner with a frequent poster in a public space because he was closeted...

Edited June 26, 2019 by marylander1940

[+ oldNbusted]

LOL! Why do you care, William? It is just laughable and pity. I will wait t the negative rating to this post to laugh loudly and get some weird looks in the airport where I am waiting for my flight. F-U-N-N-Y!

 

My favorite is when accounts on my ignore list downvote my posts.

[+ WilliamM]

LOL! Why do you care, William? It is just laughable and pity. I will wait t the negative rating to this post to laugh loudly and get some weird looks in the airport where I am waiting for my flight. F-U-N-N-Y!

 

I care because he gave me a negative rating for no reason. BOZO THE CLOWN did the same things last weekend. Rather than retaliate with my own negative rating (which is silly) I posted, after realizing many others were involved including @quoththeraven

[+ José Soplanucas]

I care because he gave me a negative rating for no reason. BOZO THE CLOWN did the same things last weekend. Rather than retaliate with my own negative rating (which is silly) I posted, after realizing many others were involved including @quoththeraven

 

I am surprised you care about negative ratings coming from where they come. Absolutely meaningless.

[marylander1940]

My favorite is when accounts on my ignore list downvote my posts.

 

Unless you take a peek how do you know they're downvoting your posts?

 

[+ WilliamM]

I am surprised you care about negative ratings coming from where they come. Absolutely meaningless.

 

Thanks. You are right.

[+ José Soplanucas]

OMG! All those negative ratings! I am appalled. This man must be so masculine!

I think he should look in the dictionary for "verbose".

[+ quoththeraven]

Do you know us all? Interesting because I don't remember ever having met you! You seem threatened by masculinity.

Anyway, I'm comfortable in my skin and with who I am.

And that's why you feel the need to diss other people with your passive-aggressive use of response emojis, including to strictly factual posts based on actual science, rather than taking the time to respond? What a great sense of security you have!

 

Like what you like, but don't puff your chest out and act like what you like is inevitable or superior, which is what this whole charade about manliness is. That, and the "science" and assumptions behind it, is what is being criticized.

[+ quoththeraven]

I tend to see these exaggerstions amongst gay men tbh. True alpha males have long had their masculine status affirmed n reinforced n is often a non issue unless someone challenges them on it.

What if that's their response to homophobia? Perhaps rather than adopt heterosexual standards we would all be better off by acting like ourselves and not elevating one group above another.

 

If "true alpha males" don't make an issue of their masculinity because "they have long had their masculine status affirmed n reinforced," wouldn't we be better off if we affirmed and reinforced the masculine status of all men, or (my personal preference) stopped caring about it? Otherwise we have a world that worships a few men and tears down everyone else.

[+ quoththeraven]

"Wow. So what would a bunch of women playing softball be? Men?" um... lesbians

 

oh for christs sakes!!! stop over analyzing everything.

"Overanalyzing" = "stop trying to drag science into this"

Edited June 26, 2019 by quoththeraven

[+ Gar1eth]

What if that's their response to homophobia? Perhaps rather than adopt heterosexual standards we would all be better off by acting like ourselves and not elevating one group above another.

 

If "true alpha males" don't make an issue of their masculinity because "they have long had their masculine status affirmed n reinforced," wouldn't we be better off if we affirmed and reinforced the masculine status of all men, or (my personal preference) stopped caring about it? Otherwise we have a world that worships a few men and tears down everyone else.

 

Let me ask a question out of the blue. You meet a guy. It's a semi formal occasion. He shakes your hand. The hand is for the most part totally flaccid in yours. Assuming you know the guy does not have a neuromuscular disease, how does that hand feel inside yours and what's your mental reaction to that type of handshake? If you've never received that type of handshake from a man, then please state as such.

 

Gman

[+ quoththeraven]

Testosterone is present in much greater quantities than estrogen in normal males. Normal females show the reverse.

 

You persist in looking for the outliers. No one rejects that there is a spectrum. But you ignore the central part of the spectrum as being relevant when a majority of cultures fall within it-and have for a very long time.

 

Gman

There are more so-called outliers than you think. And we've had this argument before, but I think the world should not only accommodate the so-called majority but also be welcoming to outliers like intersex individuals, gay men and disabled individuals (who may be a minority at any given time but over a lifetime more people are disabled than not). That's what respecting human dignity means.

 

Societies are only as good as their treatment of the powerless. None of us is free until all of us are free. And I don't see how respect and treating people equally (which certainly doesn't mean liking them all equally) in any way hurts or harms the so-called majority.

[+ quoththeraven]

Let me ask a question out of the blue. You meet a guy. It's a semi formal occasion. He shakes your hand. The hand is for the most part totally flaccid in yours. Assuming you know the guy does not have a neuromuscular disease, how does that hand feel inside yours and what's your mental reaction to that type of handshake? If you've never received that type of handshake from a man, then please state as such.

 

Gman

I have no thoughts beyond "that person has a weak handshake " because I don't use a handshake to try to draw conclusions about someone's character or personality.

 

A flaccid handshake isn't pleasant, especially if the other person has clammy hands, but I don't read anything into it because it is the absence of something, not the presence of it. On the other hand (haha), if someone crushed my hand or held it for a long time or stroked my arm with his other hand, I would draw conclusions from that. And all of those things are more unpleasant and more intentional than a weak handshake.

Edited June 26, 2019 by quoththeraven

[+ quoththeraven]

LOL! Why do you care, William? It is just laughable and pity. I will wait t the negative rating to this post to laugh loudly and get some weird looks in the airport where I am waiting for my flight. F-U-N-N-Y!

What's even funnier is that sometimes the smokebomb emoji is used to indicate an opinion about the subject matter (say an act of homophobia) and not the post itself, which is why I dislike the non-standard emojis.

[+ quoththeraven]

I am surprised you care about negative ratings coming from where they come. Absolutely meaningless.

It's a way of trying to extract meaning when the person doing it is trying to be on the downlow. It seems a bit cowardly compared to posting in the thread itself, and affects what I think of the person doing it.

 

I don't think it's a bad thing to point it out. It's more information that people can do with what they want.

[+ José Soplanucas]

What's even funnier is that sometimes the smokebomb emoji is used to indicate an opinion about the subject matter (say an act of homophobia) and not the post itself, which is why I dislike the non-standard emojis.

 

Well, I never liked them either, but right now I am loving them. I have found they are useless to assess a post, but very telling of mental deficits on the ones using them.

[+ Gar1eth]

There are more so-called outliers than you think. And we've had this argument before, but I think the world should not only accommodate the so-called majority but also be welcoming to outliers like intersex individuals, gay men and disabled individuals (who may be a minority at any given time but over a lifetime more people are disabled than not). That's what respecting human dignity means.

 

Societies are only as good as their treatment of the powerless. None of us is free until all of us are free. And I don't see how respect and treating people equally (which certainly doesn't mean liking them all equally) in any way hurts or harms the so-called majority.

 

I'm not disagreeing with most of what you've written. But these central tendencies do exist. In most cases, I'd say, since they are repeated time and time again, I'm assuming they are biologic with an overlay of culture and tradition. And pointing out outliers or how broad the spectrum is doesn't negate the central tendencies.

 

Gman

[+ quoththeraven]

I'm not disagreeing with most of what you've written. But these central tendencies do exist. In most cases, I'd say, since they are repeated time and time again, I'm assuming they are biologic with an overlay of culture and tradition. And pointing out outliers or how broad the spectrum is doesn't negate the central tendencies.

 

Gman

The world beats the importance of central tendencies into us. It's omnipresent. No additional emphasis is needed unless the point is to marginalize the so-called outliers, which means becoming your own oppressor.

 

By your reasoning, you are advocating for your own marginalization and oppression as a gay man.

[+ Gar1eth]

The world beats the importance of central tendencies into us. It's omnipresent. No additional emphasis is needed unless the point is to marginalize the so-called outliers, which means becoming your own oppressor.

 

By your reasoning, you are advocating for your own marginalization and oppression as a gay man.

 

I'm just admitting/observing what is there. And admitting I like people who for the most part act averagely -both males and females. Not admitting to or denying central tendencies when they are so obviously there is not going to make them go away.

 

And you seem to be changing your statements some. Initially you were, "There is no such thing." Now you are "Ok, it's there. But it's not right. So we should ignore it. "

 

Gman

[LivingnLA]

Masculinity and Femininity are social constructs. The traits, actions, etc. that define either label vary by culture, species, and over time. The most current research we have has shown how the entire idea of an alpha is flawed in a human context and doesn't even apply to wolves, where it was first used over 50 years ago. One of the researchers, L. David Mech, who came up with the alpha concept in wolves has disavowed his research and even tried to get his famous book removed from print to stop spreading bad ideas. Check out this article for more info: Why everything you know about wolf packs is wrong.

 

Humans do not have alphas. Like any species, we have individuals across a wide spectrum of traits. We know things like height, voice, and facial features associated with high testosterone tend to be beneficial to male humans on attractiveness ratings. This all plays into the growing research about social dominance and how various traits can be viewed as advantageous and attractive.

Are Alpha Males a Myth or a Reality?

The Myth of the Alpha Male

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[Gymowner]

Seems an awful lot of gays fawn all over masculinity and Guido's

 

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/guidos.143596/page-4#post-1729702