Ever been pulled over out of town? How to respond:

[Mocha]

Don’t worry, this is not another race thread. But, I caught this story the other day as I was traveling thru the same area:

 

https://cbs2iowa.com/news/local/iowa-trooper-shared-suspicions-about-possible-google-threat

 

Now, I have no affiliation or understanding of the person at hand. However, stories like this makes me feel like it gives law enforcement more reason to suspect that a single male traveling alone is up to no good.

 

Over the years of traveling, I’ve gotten it A LOT. The fact that this guy ended up in a ditch and didn’t have any luggage traveling from Maine to California is irrelevant. All the times I’ve been stopped while traveling out of state, I get asked where I’m going, where I’m coming from, who I’m going to see. And I carry about 100 pounds of luggage (which is why I rarely fly) It’s ridiculous. At the same time, there’s so much going on in this country that’s suspicious, it’s almost as if they’re just following a process.

 

I’ve only gotten 2 traffic tickets in 15 years of driving, out of the dozen+ states I’ve traveled to. But I’ve gotten pulled over far more times. The usual questions: what am I doing in this state, am I traveling with a large amount of cash, have any weapons or drugs, etc. It’s crazy. Some days I almost feel like I don’t have the freedom to travel without constantly having to worry about being pulled over.

 

Over the summer in Wisconsin, I had a totally bogus experience which included a K-9 dog and waiting inside a police cruiser for 45 minutes. The offense: an expired Temporary tag from a vehicle I bought earlier in the year. But which was made to look like a complete fuckery of a situation. After that, I did a free consultation with an attorney who gave me some solid advice. I was also pulled over AGAIN the very next day in a different county of Wisconsin on my way to a client. Another K-9 unit. But I’d already explained the previous days encounter, so was let off.

 

How all of this relates to the biz, it’s important that if any providers are traveling across state/country, to just be mindful. Definitely no carrying heavy drugs...though poppers aren’t. Also, police love to ask lots of question, some even asking me the NAME of the “friend” who I’m going to see. Once even asking me where my dad works (usually trying to catch you in a lie by asking irrelevant and repeated questions).

 

Here’s my list of most likely states to be pulled over (usually for simply having an out of state tag) :

 

1. Texas (mainly the Houston/Dallas areas)

2. Florida (especially the panhandle and Miami)

3. Wisconsin (mainly during the summer)

4. Kansas/KCMO (all areas. Mainly I-70 out of Colorado)

5. Tennessee (hit or miss, mainly along I-40)

6. Colorado (mainly if you have out of state plates, have been stopped for no reason)

7. Nevada: (was once stopped after traveling north out of Las Vegas after Palm Springs weekend)

 

States where I’ve been several times but haven’t been pulled over:

 

1. Arizona

2. California

3. New Mexico

4. Utah

5. Georgia

6. Virginia/Maryland/DC (though I do worry)

7. Arkansas (though I’d still use caution)

Edited March 15, 2019 by Mocha

[hypothetically]

Don’t worry, this is not another race thread.

 

Praise.

[marylander1940]

Don’t worry, this is not another race thread. But, I caught this story the other day as I was traveling thru the same area:

 

https://cbs2iowa.com/news/local/iowa-trooper-shared-suspicions-about-possible-google-threat

 

Now, I have no affiliation or understanding of the person at hand. However, stories like this makes me feel like it gives law enforcement more reason to suspect that a single male traveling alone is up to no good.

 

Over the years of traveling, I’ve gotten it A LOT. The fact that this guy ended up in a ditch and didn’t have any luggage traveling from Maine to California is irrelevant. All the times I’ve been stopped while traveling out of state, I get asked where I’m going, where I’m coming from, who I’m going to see. And I carry about 100 pounds of luggage (which is why I rarely fly) It’s ridiculous. At the same time, there’s so much going on in this country that’s suspicious, it’s almost as if they’re just following a process.

 

I’ve only gotten 2 traffic tickets in 15 years of driving, out of the dozen+ states I’ve traveled to. But I’ve gotten pulled over far more times. The usual questions: what am I doing in this state, am I traveling with a large amount of cash, have any weapons or drugs, etc. It’s crazy. Some days I almost feel like I don’t have the freedom to travel without constantly having to worry about being pulled over.

 

Over the summer in Wisconsin, I had a totally bogus experience which included a K-9 dog and waiting inside a police cruiser for 45 minutes. The offense: an expired Temporary tag from a vehicle I bought earlier in the year. But which was made to look like a complete fuckery of a situation. After that, I did a free consultation with an attorney who gave me some solid advice. I was also pulled over AGAIN the very next day in a different county of Wisconsin on my way to a client. Another K-9 unit. But I’d already explained the previous days encounter, so was let off.

 

How all of this relates to the biz, it’s important that if any providers are traveling across state/country, to just be mindful. Definitely no carrying heavy drugs...though poppers aren’t. Also, police love to ask lots of question, some even asking me the NAME of the “friend” who I’m going to see. Once even asking me where my dad works (usually trying to catch you in a lie by asking irrelevant and repeated questions).

 

Here’s my list of most likely states to be pulled over (usually for simply having an out of state tag) :

 

1. Texas (mainly the Houston/Dallas areas)

2. Florida (especially the panhandle and Miami)

3. Wisconsin (mainly during the summer)

4. Kansas/KCMO (all areas. Mainly I-70 out of Colorado)

5. Tennessee (hit or miss, mainly along I-40)

6. Colorado (mainly if you have out of state plates, have been stopped for no reason)

7. Nevada: (was once stopped after traveling north out of Las Vegas after Palm Springs weekend)

 

States where I’ve been several times but haven’t been pulled over:

 

1. Arizona

2. California

3. New Mexico

4. Utah

5. Georgia

6. Virginia/Maryland/DC (though I do worry)

7. Arkansas (though I’d still use caution)

 

Thank you for this reminder of how some groups are distrust and treated by cops.

 

Have you thought about getting a dashboard cam or an automatic recording device in your car?

 

Praise.

 

Racism, profiling, police shootings are no joke. If you ever feel like sharing any experiences you've had on here we'll listen.

[Shawn Monroe]

I was pulled over in Arkansas on my way to little rock on a bogus claim :-)

[tanman4u]

Check out this link. Quora They have a lot of questions and answers about getting pulled over by LE. What to say and do and what not to.

[instudiocity]

Every time I've been stopped I've been asked:

• Where I’m going
  
• Where I’m coming from
  
• Whose car I'm driving (I drive a lot of rentals)
  
• Why I'm going so fast/slow
  
• Why I've failed to signal
  

I driven in 18 states in the past 24 months. I've been stopped 3 times and given a speeding ticket (which I earned) once.

 

Your observations are not unique. Anytime an officer stops a car/encounters a person, he's going to ask questions. He may check your driver's license number and car plate number for Wants and Warrants (10-28 & 10-29). It's just a part of life in these United States.

 

It's a practical exercise for law enforcement. This Iowa State Trooper prevented mayhem at Google with a few questions.

 

I remember Oklahoma City Courthouse bomber Timothy McVeigh was arrested because an Oklahoma State Trooper passed his car and noticed that it had no license plate. McVeigh admitted to the state trooper (who noticed a bulge under his jacket) that he had a gun and McVeigh was subsequently arrested for having driven without plates and illegal firearm possession; McVeigh's concealed weapons permit was not legal in Oklahoma.

 

Only three days later, while still in jail, McVeigh was identified as the subject of the nationwide manhunt.

[Monarchy79]

Please make sure to record your interactions with the police. It has proven successful in many lawsuits and defending oneself from false charges.

[marylander1940]

Every time I've been stopped I've been asked:

• Where I’m going
  
• Where I’m coming from
  
• Whose car I'm driving (I drive a lot of rentals)
  
• Why I'm going so fast/slow
  
• Why I've failed to signal
  

I driven in 18 states in the past 24 months. I've been stopped 3 times and given a speeding ticket (which I earned) once.

 

Your observations are not unique. Anytime an officer stops a car/encounters a person, he's going to ask questions. He may check your driver's license number and car plate number for Wants and Warrants (10-28 & 10-29). It's just a part of life in these United States.

 

It's a practical exercise for law enforcement. This Iowa State Trooper prevented mayhem at Google with a few questions.

 

A few years ago I wrote about black men being stopped by the cops in a city in Florida and being asked to produce prove of ownership of the bike. You loved that law enforcement action providing flesh to the Jail Industrial Complex.

 

It sounds like you want stop and frisk on steroids.

 

I remember Oklahoma City Courthouse bomber Timothy McVeigh was arrested because an Oklahoma State Trooper passed his car and noticed that it had no license plate. McVeigh admitted to the state trooper (who noticed a bulge under his jacket) that he had a gun and McVeigh was subsequently arrested for having driven without plates and illegal firearm possession; McVeigh's concealed weapons permit was not legal in Oklahoma.

 

Only three days later, while still in jail, McVeigh was identified as the subject of the nationwide manhunt.

 

Don't you forget about that polygamist cult leader who got caught driving his car instead of having another cult member driving him. Dumb!

 

McVeigh was white trash, rules and common sense didn't apply to him.

 

Back the subject suggest by the OP @Mocha Should an escort have an answer ready about why is he going to a X place in case he is stopped? Can he just say he's going to meet a stranger from Grindr?

[+ bashful]

In my younger years, pulled over a few times for speeding. States it occurred didn't seem to be a pattern.

 

Michigan plates, driving in Michigan, 2 stops, 2 tickets.

Texas plates, driving in Texas, 2 stops, 1 ticket.

Illinois plates, driving in Wisconsin, 1 stop, 1 expensive ticket ($250).

[Mocha]

In my younger years, pulled over a few times for speeding. States it occurred didn't seem to be a pattern.

 

Michigan plates, driving in Michigan, 2 stops, 2 tickets.

Texas plates, driving in Texas, 2 stops, 1 ticket.

Illinois plates, driving in Wisconsin, 1 stop, 1 expensive ticket ($250).

 

Oh yes! I forgot to mention Michigan. My 1st time going to the area year before last, I made it about 24 hours in the suburban Detroit area before being pulled over. Reason being: I went thru the Yellow light. Ummm...isn’t that what you’re supposed to do when the road is icy and you reach the dreaded “point of no return”. No ticket of course. Just a “checking to see who you are” I call em.

 

I always just go along with whatever they claim I did, especially considering I was 1 light away from my hotel ??‍♂️

 

I was pulled over in Arkansas on my way to little rock on a bogus claim

 

I figured, that’s why I mentioned it. What happened?? (You can private me to discuss if prefer). You wouldn’t even have to get pulled over. Every time I’ve gone to Arkansas, if I tell some regular Joe Schmo person I’m from out of state, it’s like, “what are you doing in Arkansas of ALL places???”

 

I should probably say there’s some other states I haven’t mentioned that I’ve not been stopped, but I’ve heard can be common:

 

North Carolina

Louisiana

Oregon

South Dakota

New Jersey

[samhexum]

My former roommate & I visited Russia a few months after communism fell; a tourist company was trying to establish itself & we got a private car & driver. We were on our way to see something outside of Leningrad (they changed the name a week or so later) and our driver got pulled over for speeding. I don't think it was a racial thing, but we were nervous, nevertheless.

 

My father got pulled over in PA when he & my mom were taking my sister to look at colleges. He actually told the cop that there had been police cars at every other underpass to catch speeders, but that they had changed the pattern and that was why he got caught.

 

I got pulled over for doing 57 in a 50 MPH zone on a highway in Maryland. The speed limit had been 55, and then it just changed at a county or city line or something and I didn't see the sign. Unfortunately the cop smelled pot in my car & did a search and...

[Mocha]

Please make sure to record your interactions with the police. It has proven successful in many lawsuits and defending oneself from false charges.

 

For the incident over the summer I mentioned, I actually did get the recordings and had it reviewed by a 3rd party. Every traffic stop is recorded (though it’s generally from the vehicle, and lot of the conversation is hard to interpret or completely illegible) , believe it or not. Getting them is simply a matter of public record.

 

Fortunately and unfortunately, there was nothing to sue for because they didn’t have any charges to file. Nothing was confiscated because nothing was there. Sometimes that’s the more annoying part of these things, unless it’s something really injurious, the civil laws don’t always provide much protection, even though the officer lied and claimed I said there was “lots of drug paraphernalia” found when I brought the car. I did however file a complaint and told them their officer is a liar and a bad salesman (in a professional manner of course).

 

But that’s the thing: I wasn’t aware you don’t have to give consent to all things. Comply, but don’t consent. “Yes I’ll step out the vehicle, but no you can’t search it”. So now, next time I get asked if they can “have a look around”, it’s going to always be no. And it’s actually worked twice, without me actually knowing it.

 

One time an officer stopped me in Tennessee and wanted to search my vehicle within 30 seconds of talking to me. I told him no because my cat has just shitted and threw up in her crate, so it’s not a good time. He went on about his way. BYE POLICIA!

Edited March 17, 2019 by Mocha

[Mocha]

Your observations are not unique. Anytime an officer stops a car/encounters a person, he's going to ask questions.

 

I get what you’re saying. Personally: I don’t have anything against them or them doing their job to serve and protect. We need them. However, they need to address the appropriate people. Serve and protect shouldn’t give them license to create the illusion that a minor traffic stop is a drug bust.

 

Off topic: I also think many of these “college scam suspects” will be let off. I knew someone who faced a situation like that many years ago: fbi/police go in guns drawn, create a situation to make ordinary people look like terrorists over a White collar crime. I think there will be 2 or 3 people get some time, but the 40 others likely just have to live with the “illusion” of being a mobster.

 

Praise.

 

Don’t get too happy: Race can certainly be a factor, as two others have mentioned. Besides, you don’t have to express approval or disapproval to every thread. If you like it great, if not just keep it trucking. Otherwise, you can simply tailor it to how it may or may not pertain to you.

 

My former roommate & I visited Russia a few months after communism fell; a tourist company was trying to establish itself & we got a private car & driver. We were on our way to see something outside of Leningrad (they changed the name a week or so later) and our driver got pulled over for speeding. I don't think it was a racial thing, but we were nervous, nevertheless.

 

My father got pulled over in PA when he & my mom were taking my sister to look at colleges. He actually told the cop that there had been police cars at every other underpass to catch speeders, but that they had changed the pattern and that was why he got caught.

 

I got pulled over for doing 57 in a 50 MPH zone on a highway in Maryland. The speed limit had been 55, and then it just changed at a county or city line or something and I didn't see the sign. Unfortunately the cop smelled pot in my car & did a search and...

 

...so I take it they took you in after that?

 

Also the 2 other situations you mentioned they were speeding. In the situations I mentioned in all those states, I wasn’t speeding. Like they were literally just random stops. I know for a fact some cities (Dallas, Denver used to, but not as much because their crime rate has gone way up) will pretty much pull you over for no reason pertaining to you: “we’ve had some issues in the area”. Well the F, what does that have to do with me?

Edited March 17, 2019 by Mocha

[Monarchy79]

Does anyone find it strange that the nations top serial killers have been able to drive damned near across the country with dead bodies in their trunks without getting pulled over, yet YOU seem to get regularly stopped for bogus reasons?

[Monarchy79]

Stephen Paddock, lone wolf terrorist (BKA, the Las Vegas Shooter) managed to carry the following artillery in his car without getting pulled over:

23 rifles and one handgun inside his rooms.[63][64]They included 14 .223-caliber AR-15-type rifles, eight .308-caliber AR-10-type rifles, one .308-caliber Ruger American bolt-action rifle, and one .38-caliber Smith & Wesson Model 342 revolver,[65]

 

But people driving through towns with their cat in a crate are “suspicious”, and “needs their vehicle searched”

 

?

[instudiocity]

I get what you’re saying. Personally: I don’t have anything against them or them doing their job to serve and protect. We need them. However, they need to address the appropriate people. Serve and protect shouldn’t give them license to create the illusion that a minor traffic stop is a drug bust.

Methinks you are incorrect. Not many drug stops start as drug stops. They start as minor traffic stops that grow into drug busts. No illusion to it.

[+ Kman]

Over the summer in Wisconsin, I had a totally bogus experience which included a K-9 dog and waiting inside a police cruiser for 45 minutes. The offense: an expired Temporary tag from a vehicle I bought earlier in the year. But which was made to look like a complete fuckery of a situation. After that, I did a free consultation with an attorney who gave me some solid advice. I was also pulled over AGAIN the very next day in a different county of Wisconsin on my way to a client. Another K-9 unit. But I’d already explained the previous days encounter, so was let off.

 

Wisconsin is ridiculous. More than 5 over on the speed limit and you are screwed. I have personally been pulled over 3 times in WI (once, i totally lucked out and got away with a warning).

[+ keroscenefire]

If you have Colorado plates, you'll often get pulled over in Nebraska or Kansas just because they are looking for people who are trafficking weed out of the state.

[Walker1]

It is time to end the war on drugs-millions of lives have been ruined due tot his endless war that hasn't put a dent-not to mention many south/central countries turned into failed narco states.

 

I was once pulled over in NM and apparently you have to admit your guilt and sign right away. It was a weird experience-it is not signing a ticket, but signing your guilt or saying you will contest at court. The trooper said if ticket is paid they won't report to my state-so I signed and was on my way.

[Monarchy79]

It is time to end the war on drugs-millions of lives have been ruined due tot his endless war that hasn't put a dent-not to mention many south/central countries turned into failed narco states.

 

I was once pulled over in NM and apparently you have to admit your guilt and sign right away. It was a weird experience-it is not signing a ticket, but signing your guilt or saying you will contest at court. The trooper said if ticket is paid they won't report to my state-so I signed and was on my way.

 

Unfortunately, the “war on drugs”, is a money-making institution. The government makes billions of dollars off of the services that are procured by the federal bureau of prisons.

The “contractors” (i.e. prisoners), work at low wages for these services. Prison populations are needed in order to produce and do the work. And the arrests and incarceration’s are great for the economy. The bail bond system capitalized off of the smeared judicial system as well. Ending the war on drugs would cause the US to lose a lot of money.

[marylander1940]

Unfortunately, the “war on drugs”, is a money-making institution. The government makes billions of dollars off of the services that are procured by the federal bureau of prisons.

The “contractors” (i.e. prisoners), work at low wages for these services. Prison populations are needed in order to produce and do the work. And the arrests and incarceration’s are great for the economy. The bail bond system capitalized off of the smeared judicial system as well. Ending the war on drugs would cause the US to lose a lot of money.

 

Good point. It’s called the jail industrial complex, especially now with private prisons.

[Mocha]

@Mocha you mention that you drive a lot, but of all these pull overs, you don’t mention (other than the Detroit incident) why you were pulled over. Speeding? Illegal lane change? Other? I’m impressed that, despite all these pull overs, you rarely get tickets. I personally am batting a thousand...getting a ticket with each stop (each of which I deserved).

 

You also mention Tennessee and I40 (which is about 500 miles long in Tn). You may not be aware that I40 (especially in West Tn near Memphis) is a drug enforcement interdiction point for flow coming from Mexico. They don’t clock for speed there, but a rental car with out of state plates going the speed limit is probably at high risk of a stop...as is a slow moving minivan with lots of kids used as “camouflage”. Almost every time, K9 will be used sniffing for drugs.

 

To answer your question: In pretty much all of those situations there really wasn’t anything. They always “try” to give a reason, but it’s usually weak. Not to say that I don’t occasionally speed, but in these cases non. Prior to the supposed no registration ticket last year which like Jussie Smullet: was “all charges dropped” (which I won’t get off on a tangent, but generally what happens when officers “try” to bring charges, but end up not having much of a case)...only other “real” tickets (not including those of occasionally burnt out light bulbs and such) and I’ve had were more than 5 years ago. Non of those added points to my record.

 

That area of Tennessee was west of Nashville in fact. I didn’t know it was a hot area for that. But I can see how it could be.

[Mocha]

Unfortunately, the “war on drugs”, is a money-making institution. The government makes billions of dollars off of the services that are procured by the federal bureau of prisons.

The “contractors” (i.e. prisoners), work at low wages for these services. Prison populations are needed in order to produce and do the work. And the arrests and incarceration’s are great for the economy. The bail bond system capitalized off of the smeared judicial system as well. Ending the war on drugs would cause the US to lose a lot of money.

 

That’s just what’s so f-d up about this American society. Especially the small towns. I rarely have issues getting stopped in big cities. People drive 100 mph all day in Miami, they don’t do nothing.

 

Elsewhere, some are like salesmen, I can see them being so desperate to make a charge. I even told one of the Lieutenants that. There’s nothing to see, why was deputy so and so pressing so hard for a case?

 

I’m Voting Cory Booker 2020 lol

 

[Mocha]

Wisconsin is ridiculous. More than 5 over on the speed limit and you are screwed. I have personally been pulled over 3 times in WI (once, i totally lucked out and got away with a warning).

 

Lol, depends on time of year. I’ve been back in Wisconsin since Saint Patrick’s weekend and so far haven’t had any run ins: but at the same time I’ve been coming to Wisconsin for years and never had any issues until last year. Obviously I can understand my whole situation looking suspicious, but they went about it as if I was really being busted. When all along there was nothing.

Methinks you are incorrect. Not many drug stops start as drug stops. They start as minor traffic stops that grow into drug busts. No illusion to it.

 

Yeah, but sod that. Just because someone else did it doesn’t mean I am. They can’t use that as probable cause or evidence in court. Many drug stops isn’t me.

 

Also, you’re not understanding the degree of what I don’t like. These aren’t just stops: these are 45 minute interrogations, having them search your vehicle while you’re waiting in a police car or on the side of the road, etc. that’s not cool.

 

And mind you: after all of that, I was able to return to my car and drive off. Which I was glad, but it goes to show. It’s not just a war on drugs. It’s sales. Marketing.

 

Then, if I really did have something...like some of my clients over the years I have seen do: I’d be car towed, impound, jailed, basically life fucked.

 

And as much as I hate drugs and don’t do them, I still don’t feel it’s fair to stop people who are minding their business and try to find a way to screw up their life (which I’m sure the drugs also screw up their life, but there’s the addict and then there’s the successful businessman/college student too)

 

Wisconsin is ridiculous. More than 5 over on the speed limit and you are screwed. I have personally been pulled over 3 times in WI (once, i totally lucked out and got away with a warning).

 

Lol, depends on time of year. I’ve been back in Wisconsin since Saint Patrick’s weekend and so far haven’t had any run ins: but at the same time I’ve been coming to Wisconsin for years and never had any issues until last year. Obviously I can understand my whole situation looking suspicious, but they went about it as if I was really being busted. When all along there was nothing.

Edited March 27, 2019 by Mocha

[caramelsub]

I got pulled over east of Nashville on I -40 for no reason. The officer gave me a warning ticket for “following too closely”, whatever that means.