Escorts' Manners and Courtesy

[TrumpCoupTommy]

How important is an escort's manners and common courtesy to the whole experience? I'm referring especially to longer dates (an overnight or longer) since this subject doesn't especially apply to quick one or two-hour romps in the sack.

 

I recently returned from a date of several days and unfortunately the escort's (a young and relatively inexperienced guy) manners left more than a little to be desired. From taking extra advantage of the fact that I was paying for all the meals to helping himself to some snacks I had purchased for myself to just a general feeling that he was pretty self-centered, it became fairly clear that good customer service wasn't on the top of this young man's agenda.

 

Contrast this to the time I spent with an older, more mature companion in Seattle a few months ago. Always considerate and kind, he would do such things as open the door for me, carry my luggage, even treated me to an occasional drink or refreshment. Just in general his actions showed that he was interested in my comfort.

 

I expect escorts to show good courtesy and consideration to me. After all I'm a customer and paying substantial fees. It's just good customer service. When a client spends a few days or more with a companion, things like courtesy and manners become important to ensuring that both individuals have a good time.

 

I'm curious what other clients have experienced in this area, on longer dates. Are there certain escorts who are especially considerate and well-mannered? Feel free to "plug" specific guys if you like. I would be interested in hearing from escorts as well.

 

Thanks for the input.

[seaboy4hire]

I don't feel that good manners should be limited to extended periods of time. Good manners should be shown in every interaction starting from the first contact to the farewells. Just my half cents worth.

 

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[Luv2play]

I have been around a lot of escorts, dancers and hustlers in social settings and whether they are dining on my tab or a friends, I always look to see what they are ordering in a restaurant and how they handle themselves generally. The polite ones will usually take their cues from what their partners are ordering, so that if everyone is going "first class", then the sky is the limit. But if the person who is footing the bill is just ordering a regular meal and beverage, then the escort will be guided accordingly. Unless, of course, the client says that he just feels like a light meal but invites the escort to indulge himself, as he is a "growing" boy. ahem. Well, you know what I mean.

 

But I have seen escorts abuse their client's generosity by ordering the most expensive items on the menu. It really is amusing to watch. They just go for the most expensive appetizer, the most expensive main course, the most expensive beverages, etc. It really is appalling.

 

Personally, I don't put up with it. If I am paying, I make it clear the kind of meal I am thinking about when I peruse the menu and the odd time I have had to discreetly indicate to the escort that some things on the menu are "just outrageously priced, aren't they", and the escort usually gets the point!

[Samai139]

Good manners are not just for escorts, whether the "date" is for an extended period or not. My opinion, bassed solely on anecdotal evidence, is that people, OK, men, either are polite and courteous and have empathy for others or they are not. I have traveled with escorts and friends who just do not get it. As a previous poster said---they are self-centered and don't care about you or your comfort. My solution? Simple---find somebody else and chalk it up to experience. I tried my best with more than one friend to subtly indicate that "things" were less than pleasant. Result? No change. So "See you." Same goes for escorts, dancers, etc.

[TrumpCoupTommy]

< ... is that people, OK, men, either are polite and courteous and have empathy for others or they are not... >

 

Yes, very true.

 

< My solution? Simple---find somebody else and chalk it up to experience. >

 

I agree. I've learned from my recent experience with the ill-mannered individual and will endeavor not to make the same mistake again.

[+ newatthis]

I agree with samai. While courteous behavior can be learned, once learned, it isn't something that can be turned on and off -- by an escort or anyone else.

 

I've begun to use manners as a guide in making hiring decisions. Case in point: after a short email exchange, an escort planning to visit my town suggested I call at a certain time to complete arrangements. Got his voice mail and left a message. No call back. I've had the hots for this guy for quite a while, and in the past would probably have sent additional emails or made additional calls. This time I resisted the temptation and considered myself lucky not to have concluded the deal.

 

I recall taking a dancer out to dinner a while back, and the great feeling I had when he offered to split the cost with me -- although hiring was in the air, I hadn't yet asked him, and that gesture as much as anything else confirmed my decision to hire him.

[RockHard]

RE: Some guys should eat at McDonald's

 

"I have seen escorts abuse their client's generosity by ordering the most expensive items on the menu."

 

I never understood the food/sex thing and I probably never will. If I want to fuck, I prefer NOT to do it on a full stomach (I imagine tons of bloating and flatulence) or anywhere near the scent of food cooking. If we're hungry afterwards, I'll cook or order in. In NYC, eating after sex is never difficult and, for me, always more satisfying.

 

If I purchase a 24-hour (or longer) package and invite my escort to dine with me, I pick up the tab and instruct my (paid) guest to order whatever he wishes. I treat (paid) business associates with the same respect.

 

Taking an escort to dinner, or anyone for that matter, and expecting him (them) to "go cheap," as some litmus test for mannerly behavior, is utterly tacky and cheap. Talk about a serious lack of host manners.

 

If eating food (with your escort) is THAT important to YOU, then treating your companion(s) like a king is the ONLY high-mannered thing to do.

 

Sincere generosity should NEVER come with conditions. If someone is "picking up the tab," the bill-payer should be prepared to pay for EVERYONE'S choices, regardless of price points. If any host can't afford to do so, then it's the host's responsibility to choose a less expensive restaurant.

 

Blaming the escort for choosing the most expensive item on a menu says more about your (disturbing) issues with money, your broke-ness, and how you feel about the concept of sharing, than it says about the escort's appreciation for expensive food. It may also demonstrate your bitterness, the way you truly feel about having to pay for sex (and intimate companionship).

[+ Tom Isern]

RE: Some guys should eat at McDonald's

 

As usual, Rockhead is using this forum to criticize others (tacky) and brag about himself and his much vaunted financial success (also tacky). The man without manners, pontificating to others--ONCE AGAIN. Tedious. Tacky.

 

When one is a guest at dinner, it is well known that one should pay attention to what the host orders and NOT order things more expensive (much less the most expensive) unless explicitly told you have the freedom to do so. From the net:

 

Interview Etiquette

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Manners, Meals and Interviews

 

Interviews are often stressful - even for job seekers who have interviewed many times. Interviewing can be even more stressful when you are expected to eat and talk at the same time. One of the reasons employers take job candidates out to lunch or dinner is to evaluate their social skills and to see if they can handle themselves gracefully under pressure.

 

Dining with a prospective employee allows employers to review your communication and interpersonal skills, as well as your table manners, in a more relaxed (for them) environment. Table manners do matter. Good manners may give you the edge over another candidate, so, take some time to brush up your dining etiquette skills.

 

Interview Dining Tips:

 

* Are you really nervous? Check out the restaurant ahead of time. That way you'll know exactly what's on the menu, what you might want to order and where the rest rooms are located.

* Be polite. Remember to say "please" and "thank you" to your server as well as to your host.

* Is the table full of utensils? My British grandmother taught me an easy way to remember what to use when. Start at the outside and work your way in. Your salad fork will be on the far left, your entree fork will be next to it. Your dessert spoon and fork will be above your plate.

* Liquids are on the right, solids on the left. For example, your water glass will be on the right and your bread plate will be on the left.

* Put your napkin on your lap once everyone is seated.

* Remember what your mother spent years telling you - keep your elbows off the table, sit up straight, and don't talk with your mouth full!

 

During the Meal:

 

* Don't order messy food - pasta with lots of sauce, chicken with bones, ribs, big sandwiches, and whole lobsters are all dangerous.

* Don't order the most expensive entree on the menu.

* Do order food that is easy to cut into bite-size pieces.

* The polite way to eat soup is to spoon it away from you. There's less chance of spilling in your lap that way too!

* Break your dinner roll into small pieces and eat it a piece at a time.

* If you need to leave the table, put your napkin on the seat or the arm of your chair.

* When you've finished eating, move your knife and fork to the "four o'clock" position so the server knows you're done.

* Remember to try and relax, listen, and participate in the conversation.

 

To Drink or Not to Drink:

 

* It's wise not to drink alcohol during an interview. Interviewing is tough enough without adding alcohol to the mix.

 

After the Meal:

 

* Put your napkin on the table next to your plate.

* Let the prospective employer pick up the tab. The person who invited you will expect to pay both the bill and the tip.

* Remember to say "thank you." Consider also following-up with a thank you note which reiterates your interest in the job.

[Guest alanm]

RE: Some guys should eat at McDonald's

 

I agree with Rock Hard: there's too much emphasis on how escorts

act in restaurants. Futher, I would expand the term "manners"

to include likeability as a person. I can more than forget a menu choice or a delayed e-mail response, if I have formed some personal connection with the escort. It also helps if the sex is great.

[+ Tom Isern]

RE: Some guys should eat at McDonald's

 

from effectivemeetings.com:

 

Table Manners

Of course good table manners are an asset whenever you eat, but they're imperative at a business function. If you're ordering à la carte, don't choose the most expensive thing on the menu. No matter how good it sounds, the rack of lamb with a side of lobster is probably overdoing it. Unless your host sticks to a side salad, try not to order anything significantly more expensive than him or her. If no one else orders an appetizer, resist the urge. If you don't, you'll hold up the entire meal. Plus it's never pleasant eating when your companions are drooling and glaring at you. When your food arrives wait until everyone has been served before you begin eating. And never complain about the restaurant, food or service.

[Luv2play]

RE: Some guys should eat at McDonald's

 

By his comments, Rockhead has demonstrated his lack of savoir-faire and basic table manners. Even apart from a client/escort dinner situation, for instance when I am dining with a friend and either I or he is picking up the tab (assuming this has been agreed at the outset), I am careful to gauge what my host is ordering and I expect him to be aware of what I am ordering if the shoe is on the other foot.

 

 

This is just basic good manners, something that I learned at my mother's knee, and was reinforced in prep school, university, fraternity life and in graduate school. By the time I got out into the real world, I knew which fork to use and how to conduct myself in public. Obviously, others have not.

[Lookin]

I think things work best when both the host and the guest are considerate of one another. The host offers his guest unrestricted hospitality, and the guest makes sure not to take advantage of his host. Call it mutual respect, good manners, or class, for me it's necessary if both people are going to have a good time.

 

There is nothing less sexy than finding out you’re with a taker, whether it’s for an hour, a weekend, or a lifetime. Of all the ways to screw someone, only one feels good.

[RockHard]

RE: Some guys enjoy eating shit.

 

"As usual, Rockhead is using this forum to criticize others (tacky)"

 

Yet, Tom Isern NEVER hesitates to criticize me (and many others). But we've always known that Tom Isern is a tacky, cheap, tediously hypocritical escort.

 

If Tom chose to read more carefully, he would see I NEVER mentioned anyone's username in my post. Yes, I responded to a sentence in this thread which appears in quotations but that DOES NOT MEAN my intent was to be critical of the person who wrote the statement. My comments are MY response to THE STATEMENT and nothing more. (I personally don't care who wrote it.)

 

"When one is a guest at dinner, it is well known that one should pay attention to what the host orders and NOT order things more expensive (much less the most expensive) unless explicitly told you have the freedom to do so."

 

I believe I explicitly said I grant "the freedom to do so." I NEVER said that lacking consideration of any kind would ever be perceived as good manners.

 

Tom Isern is a fraud and I cannot recommend his services to anyone.

[Epigonos]

RE: Some guys enjoy eating shit.

 

I do NOT think RockHard is wrong in this instance. If I take someone, anyone, out to dinner I certainly do NOT anticipate what that person will or will NOT order and then judge that guest based upon the price of the order. When dealing with the young, let's say under 22 or 23, it is quite possible that these kids haven't had the opportunity to eat in many upscale restaurants and they might just want to try lobster. Why not?

I have a vivid memory of the first, and thus far only, time I had dinner with Benjamin Nicholas and he insisted on picking up the check -- I was floored. It was an extremely nice and generous gesture but it certainly was not expected nor required. Yes this guy has class, however, that doesn't mean that those who don't do so have little or none.

I take escorts out to dinner all the time. I select the restaurant and I make a point of stressing that they should order whatever they want. As far as I'm concerned as the host good manners insist that I do so.

[Guest PWIT]

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[Guest novabear22031]

RE: Some guys enjoy eating shit.

 

>I do NOT think RockHard is wrong in this instance. If I take

>someone, anyone, out to dinner I certainly do NOT anticipate

>what that person will or will NOT order and then judge that

>guest based upon the price of the order. When dealing with

>the young, let's say under 22 or 23, it is quite possible that

>these kids haven't had the opportunity to eat in many upscale

>restaurants and they might just want to try lobster. Why not?

>

 

Sad to say that some of the young folk have not been taught well by their parents.

 

I was taught early on to gage dinner expectations of what to order based on the hosts discussion of the options of the menu. I have been on many business meals that I understood the cues I was being given.

 

Sometimes it is not just about upscale restaurants. Had this one business associate do the menu dance with me, and we were I thought on the same page. Looking at the simple "sandwich" plate - to my surprise he changed his mind to the full meal. I was on a business budget, so I had to suck it up for his excess.

 

But more to the point, sometimes when we hire - we have budgets that we are trying to work with. So if i planned on $100 for the meal, someone that pushes it to $200 can make a big dent in the budget.

[Epigonos]

RE: Some guys enjoy eating shit.

 

I live in the greated Los Angeles area. If I do in calls they are usually in Hollywood, West Hollywood or Santa Monica. If I'm on a $100 dinner budget we go to the Cheesecake Factory -- one can get a nice meal there for around $50 for two. If I'm on a $200+ dinner budget we go to Valentino's -- here the sky is the limit as far as price is concerned. THE CHOICE IS MINE!!!!!

[AdamSmith]

RE: Some guys should eat at McDonald's

 

>Taking an escort to dinner, or anyone for that matter, and

>expecting him (them) to "go cheap," as some litmus test for

>mannerly behavior, is utterly tacky and cheap. Talk about a

>serious lack of host manners.

 

I vehemently agree with everything you say. (The world may now start spinning again.) The control and monitoring evinced in this attitude is no way for any two people to relate, whether or not the whole episode is wrapped in a commercial transaction.

 

At the same time, what lookin posted has also been my experience. The more generosity on both sides, the better things go. And I do believe the generosity can be genuine on both sides of these encounters.

[Guest zipperzone]

Playing it safe

 

I have a friend that is in lesser financial circumstances than I am. I enjoy his company and often suggest that we go out for dinner and always make sure he knows it is my treat.

 

I could care less what he orders or the cost. But he is always aware that I am picking up the check. In most instances he will either say "I'll have what you're having" or "Why don't you order for me - you know the menu better than I do"

 

That is his way of showing that he does not want to take advantage of the person paying the bill. I think that is very sweet and is one of his many characteristics that endear him to me.

[Guest EWC]

Everything everyone has advised is excellent. One additional item, often your host will have you order first, eliminating the possibility of getting a clue from what he's ordering, so the rule of thumb is to order from the middle (price) of the menu. It's not necessary to get the spaghetti because it's the cheapest, but anything mid-range is within bounds.

[RockHard]

"I was taught early on to gage dinner expectations of what to order based on the hosts discussion of the options of the menu."

 

I was taught the same thing, from modest parents who earned a modest living. Financial modesty, for me, went out the window when I chose to live in one of the most expensive cities in the world and, at the age of 23, earned a six-figure salary as a corporate executive. It's especially hard for me to play modest on this board when arrogant, asshole-escorts (like you-know-who) have the audacity to charge $250 an hour.

 

Of course a guest should ALWAYS follow the lead of his or her host, especially if it is known that the host will be picking up the tab. Modesty, especially when it's your first time at the table, will ALWAYS make you a winning guest.

 

I feel very lucky: I've been the recipient of some outrageous acts of generosity. Generous people have played a strong influence on how I live and embrace life.

 

Unlike Tom Isern, I hang with and admire successful people, regardless of their ego, their pomposity, their opinions, their politics, and/or their penchant for flashing personal wealth (I do not wear a Rolex). Money will never be my God but I LOVE working and living in a capitalist democracy and, for me, making money is fun.

 

Isern reminds me of Communism: everyone should be as broke as he, freethinking is not allowed, and God forbid you have a contrary opinion to his.

 

Fuck that shit, you cheap, broke honkie! :-)

[Louis]

I have several friends who always insist on paying the food bill. If I am eating with my Chinese friends, who with out exception insist on paying for the meal, I tell them to take care of selecting what we will eat. When I am with my caucasion friends who insist on paying for the meal... I always wait for them to order, then I order something that is either the same price of what they selected or lower.

I had a very nice escort for an over night session, (a great kid from Cincinati) and I selected a place that was within my means....which means that he could have ordered anything on the menu, and it would not have been excessive. However the establishment had an excellent reputation for providing good meals. He was a university student, I thought I would treat him and I suggested he order one of the most expensive meals, he would have not of that, and just ordered something that was mid priced in the menu. Another escort would drive to town to see me, and we would eat out before going to my place, and he too, would order a nice meal, but not the most expensive meal by any means.

So I think a lot depeneds on how well the escort knows you. Most of the escorts I have been with ask me what I do for a living, so they have a pretty good idea, about what my wage bracket is, and take that into consideration. If I was a person who earned 200 hundred or more dollars a day, then I would do things differently, and would go to the most expensive eatery in town, and then suggest a couple of expenisvie meals for the escort to chose from if he so desired.

So to me at least, I would set the tone for how much I would spend on a meal with an escort.

One, by the place I take the escort to,

Two, by making suggestions on what I thought was a good meal (which would be one of the higher or highest priced meals).

Escorts are not mind readers, and they have such a variety of clients, that its impossible to know what a client expects.

[Epigonos]

EWC -- I have to laugh. I'm 66 years old and I can still hear my mother giving me the exact advise you have just offered. I would guess that was about fifty years ago. Damn how time flys!!!!!

[+ purplekow]

>[>I was taught the same thing, from modest parents who earned a

>modest living. Financial modesty, for me, went out the window

>when I chose to live in one of the most expensive cities in

>the world and, at the age of 23, earned a six-figure salary as

>a corporate executive. It's especially hard for me to play

>modest on this board when arrogant, asshole-escorts (like

>you-know-who) have the audacity to charge $250 an hour.

>

>Brava for your financial success.

As for playing at modesty...well that is just laughable. Modesty is not something you can turn on and off. Some people are soft spoken and polite and take their successes as gifts. Others see their successes as trophies and display them for all to see. Modesty for me is a maturity in understanding how fortunate one is for all of their success. So don't try to play at modesty, chances are no one believes the performance anyway.

[OneFinger]

>...I'm referring especially to longer dates (an overnight or longer) since this subject doesn't especially apply to quick one or two-hour romps in the sack.

 

For me, manners and courtesy are important even for the two-hour sessions.

 

I have especially been impressed with Small Town John when we've had shorter sessions in his hotel. He's always made sure there is a choice of cold beverage for me. After the session there are specialty soaps and shampoos in the shower before I get dressed and leave.

 

It makes me feel so "special" to experience his southern hospitality when he visits my town.

 

I also remember one younger escort that I hired for a 3-hour appointment while on vacation. I asked what type of beverage he would like and he requested a fairly expensive, imported water. I bought a 12-pack of bottles anticipating that I'd have sufficient for the 3-hour session and would have "left-overs" to enjoy during the remainder of my vacation.

 

The escort finished off the entire 12-pack in less than 3 hours and complained when there wasn't more. He also spent a lot of time during the session pissing it down the toilet and then stated that his bladder was "too full for him to bottom." (Bottoming was a specific request when I booked the appointment.) Also had to listen to story after story about his personal life and boyfriend problems. x(

 

His price for the session was higher than a lot of other escorts. His behavior did not meet my expectations and I've not hired him again.