KensingtonHomo

In my experience, when you seem the same masseur regularly things progress naturally to the level they're comfortable. My regular guy definitely goes way further now than when I started seeing him three years ago. But we also have lovely chats, and genuine chemistry. But that unfolded over time. 

Even if I had unlimited funds, I would not give a 22-year-old thousands of dollars. Not to yuck anyone's yum, but I don't find this kid remotely desirable. 
If he can get that sum, good for him, but I know plenty of wealthy people who would look askance at the idea that just because they have money, they should throw it at anyone with abs. 

Interesting that there’s SO MUCH discussion here.  My two cents 
Paying more doesn’t mean it’s better 
a provider maximizing his price is his right 
for me I could I would I have done $1000 - 1x - it was amazing 
very few that I would do that for 
I’d prefer a flight somewhere nice lol 

I think that’s great. I go further with regular clients than I would if he’s a new client. Firstly with a new client you don’t really know yet what he’s comfortable with, and secondly I think for it to feel right one needs to know that the client is the respectful type. It’s also rewarding for regular clients. If he’s been a few times I know he likes my massage and my company and so that naturally leads to a better connection and then to a better intimacy during the ‘extra’ elements of the massage. 

In my experience, when you seem the same masseur regularly things progress naturally to the level they're comfortable. My regular guy definitely goes way further now than when I started seeing him three years ago. But we also have lovely chats, and genuine chemistry. But that unfolded over time. 

"Can't you make it a little cheaper, Mister."

No one’s time, in my opinion, is worth an “unlimited price.” There are some who may not care, but there are those who do.
A thin person who works out a lot might care about their diet. Or they might not. They might choose to worry about how many calories is in something or not. That doesn’t mean the calories don’t affect them, whether they care or not. And they’re going to still eat. A fat person might care or not care about their diet, and work out etc. but for various reasons calories behave differently for them. The same with money. Money behaves differently for different people. Some of it has to do with how someone comes into money. Some of it has to do with personality. I know people who have nothing to worry about whatsoever with money and are extremely generous but are also extremely frugal in most aspects of their lives because that’s their personality. Everything is refracted through the lens of money. I know some poor people who think they’re Midas and probably should ask about money who don’t seem to understand that for them, when it’s gone, it’s gone til the next paycheck. Behavior around money isn’t monolithic. It’s myopic to think asking about money means you can’t afford it. It might be an insight into a personality more than their ability to spend. 

It's funny. This came up with my regular guy yesterday. He said he doesn't escort because he's not able to perform if he's not attracted to the person. And he's had a couple of experiences with crazy clients - like stalker shit - even just doing massage. So he just feels like escorting would increase the chances of dealing with crazy. 

In my experience, when you seem the same masseur regularly things progress naturally to the level they're comfortable. My regular guy definitely goes way further now than when I started seeing him three years ago. But we also have lovely chats, and genuine chemistry. But that unfolded over time. 

I second this opinion.
I have definitely gotten more and more intimate over time with various masseurs, who were regulars and who I tipped well after every massage. The levels of intimacy were always at THEIR discretion. Never requested.
On the other hand there were one or two, who I've seen a few times and the happy ending always stayed in tact as nothing more than a hand job and some naked eye candy.
Everyone has a different business model with erotic massage.
I know one of the fellows I've seen regularly was an escort in his younger days...so not at all opposed to the idea. Just not what he does NOW.

Even if I had unlimited funds, I would not give a 22-year-old thousands of dollars. Not to yuck anyone's yum, but I don't find this kid remotely desirable. 
If he can get that sum, good for him, but I know plenty of wealthy people who would look askance at the idea that just because they have money, they should throw it at anyone with abs. 

Even if I had unlimited funds, I would not give a 22-year-old thousands of dollars. Not to yuck anyone's yum, but I don't find this kid remotely desirable. 
If he can get that sum, good for him, but I know plenty of wealthy people who would look askance at the idea that just because they have money, they should throw it at anyone with abs. 

In my experience, when you seem the same masseur regularly things progress naturally to the level they're comfortable. My regular guy definitely goes way further now than when I started seeing him three years ago. But we also have lovely chats, and genuine chemistry. But that unfolded over time. 

In my experience, when you seem the same masseur regularly things progress naturally to the level they're comfortable. My regular guy definitely goes way further now than when I started seeing him three years ago. But we also have lovely chats, and genuine chemistry. But that unfolded over time. 

In my experience, when you seem the same masseur regularly things progress naturally to the level they're comfortable. My regular guy definitely goes way further now than when I started seeing him three years ago. But we also have lovely chats, and genuine chemistry. But that unfolded over time. 

In my experience, when you seem the same masseur regularly things progress naturally to the level they're comfortable. My regular guy definitely goes way further now than when I started seeing him three years ago. But we also have lovely chats, and genuine chemistry. But that unfolded over time. 

So I just left the session and it did change.  The routine was the same up to the HE part where his shorts were down.  He was again sporting a rock hard boner.  This time I stroked that, but I also massaged his biceps a bit which he seemed cool with, then I reached under the shirt and massaged his stomach and nipples, again seemed ok.  So I put my hand on his hip and slightly tugged towards me and before you know it, I had something in my mouth.  We both had near simultaneous finishes.  Was a fantastic day!

Libertarian Party
Can't say more without making a political discussion. Which is against the rules.
But I can say that the idea has been floated for years that consumption of drugs and prostitution is none of the governments business. It's a transaction between customer and provider that harms no one. Instead they increased the penalty for prostitution with human trafficking laws, that assume every sex worker is a victim of slavery.
 

Rimming is such an intimate activity I assume all providers will not do it, and am pleasantly surprised when they do. At the (extreme) risk of sounding arrogant, I'm a pretty good looking, in-shape guy with thick legs and a muscle butt. Like KensingtonHomo, I meet providers because I can afford it and I appreciate meeting the hottest guys when I want, where I want, usually when I'm traveling. More than once, when my pants drop, a provider mas made it very clear they want to play with my ass. The problem of course is that I'm a top, but one who enjoys getting my ass worshipped. Usually if I let them eat it, they want to fuck it, and somebody ends up disappointed.
One of my hottest encounters was with a provider in Miami a couple of years ago. Absolutely stunning, model material provider who went to town on my butt, and tried (in vain) to fuck it. He eventually shot a load with his face in my ass. Sadly, I think this guy has since retired from the biz.

This is hilarious. Twinks as the sine qua non of gay desirability is a fad! I was a twink in the 90s and we were not appreciated. 80-90 percent of guys wanted muscular "Chelsea" boys. Pre-AIDS, the clone with the mustache and hairy chest was the hottest of all. 
If 1940 in your profile indicates your age, you lived through this and should know that Twinks have been considered hot for about a decade. And in the next 5-10 years, it will be something else. 
Like @Vegas_Millennial I generally dated older men and my husband is older than me, though we're the same generation. I would not rim or otherwise have sex with someone who was under 30 and smooth. That didn't appeal to me when I was in my 20s and it doesn't now. And I'm not into huge muscles either. 

There's a lot of projection in posts like these. Speaking for myself, I am conventionally attractive, look ten years younger than my (middle) age, and am a lot of fun in and out of bed. But you - and a few others on here - seem to think most of us are hideous and obese.
A significant number of us hire, not because we can't find sex but because it's much more convenient. We're paying, so we don't have to spend hours on apps to schedule a hook-up. And "good looking" is incredibly subjective. I'd say 80 percent of the providers who get posted here by members looking for information, hold zero appeal for me. But most guys are salivating over them. 
Lastly, the "slavery" comment is just horrible. Not only do we have a history of chattel slavery in this country, but there are people all over the world, including the US, who are being trafficked to have sex against their will. And, they do not get paid. In fact, by definition slaves don't get paid. 
And that rimming is what set you off, feels very personal. It's a practice you find distasteful or abhorrent, so you cannot imagine someone enjoying it. So it's worse to you then "fuck me or I won't hire you", "let me fuck you or I won't hire you", "blow me or I won't hire you." Really, they're all the same. 
Lastly, no one should ever coerce a provider into doing something they are uncomfortable with. But if I hire someone who says they provide a particular service - and let's stipulate that everyone involved is pristinely hygienic - and they will not perform, I would let it go. But I also would not hire them again. 

I think of OF creators like Seattle Dad who were denied entry intomporn but found a wide audience on their own.  Body positivity in porn doesn't have to embrace people who look, well, like me, but there is room for sexiness in multiple shapes and ages. Guys with tummies can be hot, guys with big bellies can be hot, guys over 60 can be really hot, guys without strong muscle definition can be hot, etc. 
When I think back to the best sex I've ever had,  it has mostly been with average guys who couldn't make 25 cents in porn.  

There's a lot of projection in posts like these. Speaking for myself, I am conventionally attractive, look ten years younger than my (middle) age, and am a lot of fun in and out of bed. But you - and a few others on here - seem to think most of us are hideous and obese.
A significant number of us hire, not because we can't find sex but because it's much more convenient. We're paying, so we don't have to spend hours on apps to schedule a hook-up. And "good looking" is incredibly subjective. I'd say 80 percent of the providers who get posted here by members looking for information, hold zero appeal for me. But most guys are salivating over them. 
Lastly, the "slavery" comment is just horrible. Not only do we have a history of chattel slavery in this country, but there are people all over the world, including the US, who are being trafficked to have sex against their will. And, they do not get paid. In fact, by definition slaves don't get paid. 
And that rimming is what set you off, feels very personal. It's a practice you find distasteful or abhorrent, so you cannot imagine someone enjoying it. So it's worse to you then "fuck me or I won't hire you", "let me fuck you or I won't hire you", "blow me or I won't hire you." Really, they're all the same. 
Lastly, no one should ever coerce a provider into doing something they are uncomfortable with. But if I hire someone who says they provide a particular service - and let's stipulate that everyone involved is pristinely hygienic - and they will not perform, I would let it go. But I also would not hire them again. 

I think for most it’s a “we’ll see…” and committing to it ahead without personal chemistry established is rare. 
It carries the higher risk for the bearer of the tongue. 

It carries the higher demand of hygiene and honesty about health for the bearer of the hole. 
In porn, def a climax trigger.
In person I love it both ways. By nature and function, I’m bottom, but when I get into eating it, I get hard enough to fuck it, and/or come while feasting. 
I never present myself without being super clean and smooth. It’s fairly pale, and even after 40yrs of recreational use, my hole looks younger than my ass🤣
We’ll see.

I'm a top and I love to rim a nice hole. Get it all wet, relaxed and opened up for my cock! 😁