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Well, sure, if they order the deluxe package.
 
Kevin Slater

As a client, let me offer a more precise definition: as a general rule, I think a BFE is at least in the offing when 50% or more of the session involves the escort doing something other than trying directly to get me off, and that time is both pre and post nooky. That could consist of: talking, hugging, caressing, kissing, watching TV with his head on my chest, napping together etc.
 
What is it not? When the guy walks in, drops his pants and bends over, or starts to jerk you off while you are still trying to get your shoes off. I've had a few of those.

As a client, let me offer a more precise definition: as a general rule, I think a BFE is at least in the offing when 50% or more of the session involves the escort doing something other than trying directly to get me off, and that time is both pre and post nooky. That could consist of: talking, hugging, caressing, kissing, watching TV with his head on my chest, napping together etc.
 
What is it not? When the guy walks in, drops his pants and bends over, or starts to jerk you off while you are still trying to get your shoes off. I've had a few of those.

As a client, let me offer a more precise definition: as a general rule, I think a BFE is at least in the offing when 50% or more of the session involves the escort doing something other than trying directly to get me off, and that time is both pre and post nooky. That could consist of: talking, hugging, caressing, kissing, watching TV with his head on my chest, napping together etc.
 
What is it not? When the guy walks in, drops his pants and bends over, or starts to jerk you off while you are still trying to get your shoes off. I've had a few of those.

As a client, let me offer a more precise definition: as a general rule, I think a BFE is at least in the offing when 50% or more of the session involves the escort doing something other than trying directly to get me off, and that time is both pre and post nooky. That could consist of: talking, hugging, caressing, kissing, watching TV with his head on my chest, napping together etc.
 
What is it not? When the guy walks in, drops his pants and bends over, or starts to jerk you off while you are still trying to get your shoes off. I've had a few of those.

As a client, let me offer a more precise definition: as a general rule, I think a BFE is at least in the offing when 50% or more of the session involves the escort doing something other than trying directly to get me off, and that time is both pre and post nooky. That could consist of: talking, hugging, caressing, kissing, watching TV with his head on my chest, napping together etc.
 
What is it not? When the guy walks in, drops his pants and bends over, or starts to jerk you off while you are still trying to get your shoes off. I've had a few of those.

As a client, let me offer a more precise definition: as a general rule, I think a BFE is at least in the offing when 50% or more of the session involves the escort doing something other than trying directly to get me off, and that time is both pre and post nooky. That could consist of: talking, hugging, caressing, kissing, watching TV with his head on my chest, napping together etc.
 
What is it not? When the guy walks in, drops his pants and bends over, or starts to jerk you off while you are still trying to get your shoes off. I've had a few of those.

As a client, let me offer a more precise definition: as a general rule, I think a BFE is at least in the offing when 50% or more of the session involves the escort doing something other than trying directly to get me off, and that time is both pre and post nooky. That could consist of: talking, hugging, caressing, kissing, watching TV with his head on my chest, napping together etc.
 
What is it not? When the guy walks in, drops his pants and bends over, or starts to jerk you off while you are still trying to get your shoes off. I've had a few of those.

As a client, let me offer a more precise definition: as a general rule, I think a BFE is at least in the offing when 50% or more of the session involves the escort doing something other than trying directly to get me off, and that time is both pre and post nooky. That could consist of: talking, hugging, caressing, kissing, watching TV with his head on my chest, napping together etc.
 
What is it not? When the guy walks in, drops his pants and bends over, or starts to jerk you off while you are still trying to get your shoes off. I've had a few of those.

As a client, let me offer a more precise definition: as a general rule, I think a BFE is at least in the offing when 50% or more of the session involves the escort doing something other than trying directly to get me off, and that time is both pre and post nooky. That could consist of: talking, hugging, caressing, kissing, watching TV with his head on my chest, napping together etc.
 
What is it not? When the guy walks in, drops his pants and bends over, or starts to jerk you off while you are still trying to get your shoes off. I've had a few of those.

As a client, let me offer a more precise definition: as a general rule, I think a BFE is at least in the offing when 50% or more of the session involves the escort doing something other than trying directly to get me off, and that time is both pre and post nooky. That could consist of: talking, hugging, caressing, kissing, watching TV with his head on my chest, napping together etc.
 
What is it not? When the guy walks in, drops his pants and bends over, or starts to jerk you off while you are still trying to get your shoes off. I've had a few of those.

Boy are u bitter.

Your mixing personalities and over generalizing. Most of all, you are really looking at this from a self-centric point of view, instead of the customer's point of view..
 
Yes, there are people out there that get their jollies by wanking your chain or just imagining what it may be like without actually engaging services. Shit happens and it comes with the industry. But, do you really think that people wake up in the morning thinking "how am I going to mess with Mocha's mind"? Sure that's how it feels from your point of view, but the people you are discussing are coming from life from their own point of view and their own idiosyncrasies.
 
For example:

They are not considering your schedule or timing. They don't care whether you are online or not. That's not their problem. They saw you, thought you were interesting enough to reach out to, and shot you an email.
 

Because as far as they are concerned, that is the limit of what personal information they are willing to expose. That is their preferred method of communication. As such, they expect that is what you will use. They probably aren't Millennials who live attached to their phones, and if they are, they aren't comfortable giving out that phone to you, yet.
 

Because, their window of interest shifted. It may be tough to hear, but you aren't important enough in their life at that moment and you may not be their only iron in the fire. Someone else may have gotten back in touch with them before you. OR, the tone of the response rubbed them wrong. OR, they changed their mind.
 
They feel no obligation to think of things from your point of view. Do people worry about the waiter's timing/schedule when you tell them you want a glass of water and a few more minutes with the menu?
 

A) These are not emotionally equivalent. You don't equal their neighbor. They give their neighbor a totally different type and level of respect.
B) Who ever said they were looking for efficiency? When I contact a provider, I don't care whether my type of communication is the most efficient for THEM. I worry about my needs, my desires, and my comfort. If they don't want to communicate with me in a way that I am comfortable, then c'est la vie.
 
I can go on, if you really want. I suspect that this will be a TLDR message.

Mocha, allow me to add something from the client perspective:
 
- if you look at many many escort ads, certainly the lion's share of Backpage and Adam4Adam, they say "same day appointments only" or "don't contact me if you are not ready to play" or something to that effect. I have tried from time to time to make some advanced arrangements with those guys, and i get shot down. So us consumers can find it difficult to know which way to go.
 
- If a sudden window opens in my schedule (my plans fall through and suddenly I am free tonight and feeling horny) would you rather that I not contact you, even when your rentmen ad says "available now"? Should I assume that "available now" does not mean that you are available now?
 
- sometimes my plans change in the other direction - I thought I would be free, or I didn't know I would catch a cold or that a blizzard would strike. I have been occasionally treated rudely by guys I have cancelled on (giving as much notice as possible) because of changing circumstances. It's like the advanced plan commits me by contract.
 
- As to why we use email rather than phone: I may be showing my age, but to me email is somehow less intrusive and interrupting than a phone call. If you are, indeed, on line and "available now" it is reasonable to assume that you will read your email. If you are in the middle of a meal or a workout or an appointment, i assume you won't read your email (and therefore are unlikely to be "available now.")
 
None of that excuses people who just stop communicating. But I hope the above offers some perspective you didn't have.

Mocha, allow me to add something from the client perspective:
 
- if you look at many many escort ads, certainly the lion's share of Backpage and Adam4Adam, they say "same day appointments only" or "don't contact me if you are not ready to play" or something to that effect. I have tried from time to time to make some advanced arrangements with those guys, and i get shot down. So us consumers can find it difficult to know which way to go.
 
- If a sudden window opens in my schedule (my plans fall through and suddenly I am free tonight and feeling horny) would you rather that I not contact you, even when your rentmen ad says "available now"? Should I assume that "available now" does not mean that you are available now?
 
- sometimes my plans change in the other direction - I thought I would be free, or I didn't know I would catch a cold or that a blizzard would strike. I have been occasionally treated rudely by guys I have cancelled on (giving as much notice as possible) because of changing circumstances. It's like the advanced plan commits me by contract.
 
- As to why we use email rather than phone: I may be showing my age, but to me email is somehow less intrusive and interrupting than a phone call. If you are, indeed, on line and "available now" it is reasonable to assume that you will read your email. If you are in the middle of a meal or a workout or an appointment, i assume you won't read your email (and therefore are unlikely to be "available now.")
 
None of that excuses people who just stop communicating. But I hope the above offers some perspective you didn't have.

As a psysician, I can't tell you how many times I have been on call and received messages from patients who forget to leave their call-back numbers and then who chastise me in the office the next day for not calling back. I tell them I'm not a psychic who can pull their phone number out of thin air and then I play them their message. I include pharmacy numbers as well.
People sometimes become stupid or tongue-tied when they have to leave certain info and they don't leave it.

Or maybe they are just shy, felt horny and sent emails to a few people and caught the first one that responded. You can respond to emails in your phone.

Mocha, allow me to add something from the client perspective:
 
- if you look at many many escort ads, certainly the lion's share of Backpage and Adam4Adam, they say "same day appointments only" or "don't contact me if you are not ready to play" or something to that effect. I have tried from time to time to make some advanced arrangements with those guys, and i get shot down. So us consumers can find it difficult to know which way to go.
 
- If a sudden window opens in my schedule (my plans fall through and suddenly I am free tonight and feeling horny) would you rather that I not contact you, even when your rentmen ad says "available now"? Should I assume that "available now" does not mean that you are available now?
 
- sometimes my plans change in the other direction - I thought I would be free, or I didn't know I would catch a cold or that a blizzard would strike. I have been occasionally treated rudely by guys I have cancelled on (giving as much notice as possible) because of changing circumstances. It's like the advanced plan commits me by contract.
 
- As to why we use email rather than phone: I may be showing my age, but to me email is somehow less intrusive and interrupting than a phone call. If you are, indeed, on line and "available now" it is reasonable to assume that you will read your email. If you are in the middle of a meal or a workout or an appointment, i assume you won't read your email (and therefore are unlikely to be "available now.")
 
None of that excuses people who just stop communicating. But I hope the above offers some perspective you didn't have.

Thanks so much for that memory. You stirred up mine: when I was a kid in the 70's, Time Magazine used to run ads for Jockey shorts with pix of lots of different guys (including Jim Palmer) in their underwear. I used to study those photos, comparing bulges and admiring treasure trails, for hours. I never had much doubt that I was gay, but those ads sealed the deal. To this day, I will ask an escort to hang around a while in his jockeys, then let me have the pleasure of peeling them off. LOL

Erik Estrada in CHiPs.

Toss up between Jim Palmer in the Jockey ads or Sam Elliot