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Thank you! There can be any number of motivations. Guys often address me that way. I have assumed that it is either a slightly-quaint way of being polite, or because I describe myself as a "dad" so some may think I am looking for subservient, submissive guys. But gee there are bigger things to worry about LOL Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Thanks - the RM review process is so skewed that I hadn't even thought of looking there. Will do so. Thanks again

https://rentmen.eu/RoddrickTripleX I did a search and didn't find anything. Too good to be true?

He quoted me one fee, then the day before the appointment tried to raise it. Off my list....

I try to gauge the personality from all available evidence : our correspondence, the 'scorts description of himself, and yes the pics. Few things are more of a turn off to me than a hot guy who knows he is hot and wants to make sure you know it and that you appreciate he is generously slumming with you as if it were some duty of the Gods to the less fortunate. I had one very funny encounter with a gymnast who had a spectacular body and significant flexibilty: he kept on striking these incredible poses, with his ass and legs thrown every which way, looking at me expectantly like I was supposed to offer veneration. I finally had to break into the show and say "that's all very hot, but please park your ass on the bed so I can enter it."

Use your imagination. I felt like the provider had acted in an extremely unprofessional and unkind manner, and I let him know that - with much foul language.

From the consumer side, it can be quite confusing. Some guys put up very specific dates (Boston 9/2-9/7, Hartford 9/7-9/9, etc.) and then don't follow their own itineraries! I once had a long back and forth trying to arrange to see a guy the next night in Chicago (where his post said he was) - when all else was settled, he started in about how we would procure his ticket for Dallas to Chicago..... Another New York guy had his page saying he was in Paris for weeks after he had returned. So it makes sense to me that we consumers are first going to want to establish the provider's whereabouts before getting into any other specifics.

Never have, never will

Is there a point at which this not-so-subtle business promotion effort will wrap up?

I'll try it again a different way.... Given that RM does not permit the posting of fees, when a potential client asks you for your fees and those fees are higher than what the client is prepared to pay, what do you think is the appropriate response from the client? 1. No response. Radio silence. Move on. 2. "No thanks" No further explanation 3. "My budget is $XXX. Any chance you are willing to meet it?" 4. "My budget is $XXX, and I get lots of guys for that price. I would be prepared to go to $XYY if...." 5. Something else...?

Perhaps English is not your first language? I communicated, I didn't haggle. There is a difference. haggle [ˈhaɡəl] VERB dispute or bargain persistently, especially over the cost of something.

Seriously, $%&* you. I did not haggle. I responded to his question -- duh. He asked me my budget and I told him. You clearly don't have a goddamned clue what haggling is. I told him my budget and he said ok.

Often in Europe (among the folks at Planet Romeo, eg), "dirty" implies things in the scatological department.

No, I didn't haggle, and I didn't complain. I asked a question of this group. I thought that was what this forum was for.

sorry but you are wrong. My reply was "sorry, that is beyond my budget" That is a no thanks. He came back to me. I did not initially make a counter offer, and was in fact surprised when he replied. I replied when he asked me to give him my budget.

As a client it is awful tough to know how to approach this. I have tried the more conversational approach ("Hi, I am a middle aged professional guy and I really love your profile. I am looking for....") and I often get back a curt "cut to the chase" type of response. As for your comment about not asking a question if I am not prepared to hear the answer... well, I don't know what to do with that. RM doesn't list rates. The reality is that $400 an hour or more is beyond my budget. I don't want to waste a guy's time if he thinks he can get that on the market. But I respect his right to run his business the way it works for him. I hate fee discussions because I don't want to disrespect a guy by suggesting a lower rate.

https://rentmen.eu/red_jose/ So this is the essence of an exchange I had with this guy via RM message: Me - can you please tell me your rates? Him - $XXX Me - That is beyond my budget. Thanks anyway. Him - what are you looking to pay? Me - My budget is $YYY, but I am not trying to haggle. Him - I will do that if you can meet soon. When are you ready to meet? Me - great. I need a little time to shower and get ready. Can we meet at 7 PM? Here is the address.... Him - OK, see you soon Me - (30 mins before meeting) Everything on track? Ready to go? Him - No. Cancel. I have someone who will pay my full rate + $100. Me - $#%&%$# Just curious as to what you service providers would have done in that situation. Is it a totally free market, or do you feel bound by a commitment already made?

Beware. PM me if you are considering. https://rentmen.eu/Butt_blaster

From a client's perspective, I am grateful for the guys available late night. I often hire when I am on business travel. I typically get to a city and have a business dinner or a meeting that runs into the early evening. By the time I am done with work and showered, it's pushing 10 or later. And it's frustrating when guys who advertise "24/7" or have their little green lamps lit on rentmen, then act pissy when I reach out to them. I texted once around midnight and the guy responded "do you know what time it is?" To which I responded; "yeah, it's a time your site says you are available" Some guys are smart enough to set their parameters clearly: something like "available for outcalls weekdays from 6PM to midnight" does the trick (forgive the pun).

This feature is pretty worthless. I have had several occasions where I reached out relatively late night via text, phone, and email to guys in NYC who indicated "available now" -- some simply didn't answer, and the few who did responded with an incredulous "do you know how late it is???" to which I wanted to respond "do you know what "available now" means?" but I didn't.

I second. Very nice personality, well-endowed, and talented in the arts....

I agree with much of what you said, but I think you miss an important point regarding the escort's stated preferences: clearly, the preference indicator is no guarantee of any particular behavior, and one would be foolish to assume it is. But if I do not want to deal with a drugged up escort, where are my odds better: the escort who says "no pnp" or the one who says "pnp" or "leTs parTy all The Time" ?

To stigmatize means "describe or regard as worthy of disgrace or great disapproval." Do I disapprove of escorts who attempt to do their job and PNP at the same time? Yeah, and in this case I am ok with that. It is most certainly not bigotry. Is it bigotry to avoid an uber driver or a surgeon who boasts about his heavy drinking? What is wrong with stigmatizing people whose behavior directly impacts their ability to provide the service for which they are being paid, or who may very well pose a danger to themselves or their clients? Do they need and deserve help and understanding? Yes! Are we clients, as a community, allowed to discuss whether or not to hire them when they openly advertise their proclivities? YES.

I am NY-based consumer so have never really looked at your profile before - I think it is well-written. Although I don't think your profile has either issue, I would say that my two big pet peeves in profiles are: 1. Excessive claims or offers unless you REALLY mean it. For instance, countless guys say "available 24/7" or "call anytime" and then you reach out to them and find out they are at work, or complain about how late you are calling. 2. Guys who tick all the boxes in the Rentmen "I am into" section without meaning it: guys who tick the box for kissing but don't kiss, or rimming but don't rim, etc. etc. I think that just making sure that your profile accurately reflects your services is key.

It's good for Mocha that this site is not his only source of clients. His posts have convinced this client to stay away....