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He’s not making that statement up though: https://nbc-2.com/news/state/2020/12/10/local-republicans-support-florida-becoming-its-own-country/amp/ “A Texas lawmaker also plans to file a bill that will allow Texans to vote on becoming an independent nation” …That said, I still 🤨 at the idea that just because there’s lots of hot guys posting on RM in a certain area, that it means it’s better than or worth the trip specifically for that reason. How many times do we have to hear: “he wanted $400, he showed up 2 hours late, he did this, he didn’t do that”. C’mon. Don’t lose your head. Not saying they may not be great but, don’t buy into the illusion. You can find hot cowboys in other areas just as well. Ever been to Wyoming?

I keep seeing the same Russian guy week after week. Like wtf lol. Switch it up.

Well this is where communication is key on both sides. Do you “sell yourself” or just ask questions? I know that sounds silly considering you’re the client, but sometimes it’s more than just asking questions. Maybe, send a picture. Some of my best connections are with clients who send pictures. I can picture and prepare myself for what is supposed to take place. I answered questions for someone last week, but it was non stop. And even after he said: one last question, he asked me ANOTHER question. But when I said send deposit and address, no follow up.

Yeah because once again I notice the other day and today it’s similiar RM of day who’s been on there every week. Not being a hater but, but it’s like…come on. I remember RentBoy was completely random. When it’s always just the same guys, it just makes me 🤔

Does anyone else notice this? Not to name drop anyone but, I see the same 2 guys who are RentMen of the day what seems at least twice a week. When I have considered doing it, it’s usually sold out as late as it can go. It almost seems like one would need to have some sort of regular arrangement to be RM of the day that often. On top of that, is there really a whole lot of merit to it? Even if you are advertised in half the country, considering majority of bookings lately are booked no more than a day or 2 ahead, I’d be curious as to whether the repeat exposure would equate to a surplus of additional bookings.

Are you suggesting that the ones who do are police? I’m still wondering how TF they pulled all those people in Florida in that sting. It’s one thing reporting bad clients, but they had to display the business of every attempted client they had. Perhaps the only bright side about the hurricane, is refocusing attention on things that actually matter.

This is why I strive to keep my expenses low (despite the difficulty in even that). Spot on here. And I was thinking to myself tonight, I think it’s time to start doing things differently. Being an escort at 35, I really feel the inclination to let go a lot of “standards”, and step outside the box and do things differently. I notice how companies constantly market to clients (like me lol). They aren’t waiting for clients to come to them, they are actively out there reaching out/responding/contacting potential clients. I’m not insinuating escorting should turn into high pressured sales pitching (and unfortunately with the level of unscrupulous time wasting clients who will love the attention, and have NO INTENT to book, I would advise against that system), but…I believe if done properly, the escort can initiate things sometimes. Hell, biz is SLOW. Few on the forum really want to admit it, but the industry is going thru a drought. Business is in the doldrums in multiple cities, and the only way I’m still making it is because I travel every other week/post in other cities weekly even when I’m not there yet, to keep my schedule busy. However: my rules would be, no contacting the next day for a session…unless the client may have hinted. I would give at least a couple weeks to a month and generally on a “I’m back in town again” basis. Also, I’m contacting clients who look at my RentMen Ad…but mainly the ones who I see looked at me more than once, and who are in a city I plan or currently in. I just booked a date with a client who I haven’t seen in a couple/few years. He looked at my profile, and his name/body looked familiar. I reached out to him, and he replied back and now we have something arranged. That would be the least of our issues. This country needs some divine intervention.

This discussion has come up before. I personally think it all depends on HOW you relate to clients. I’m not trying to imply that you or them only see each other as a transaction, but it depends how you go about it. I can sense a client who is likely to be very discreet, married/playing on the side. I probably won’t contact them out the blue. Versus a client who’s free and single and doesn’t mind a bit of connection. Long story short: I recently found out a client was mutual friends with a couple I met last year. Why? Because we have been keeping in touch and decided to link up at an event last weekend. I text him, he texts me. We text each other and ask to meet whenever we have the inclination. Idk how things are in Europe but, it’s 2022. It’s not the 2002 newspaper ads of yesteryear. Escorting has “technically” in my opinion, evolved into “hookup” culture, with benefits lol. Many/most of the hiring clients today, are in open relationships and many escorts ads have come a long way from a few words and a picture. It’s been a great way to meet higher quality men, who actually don’t mind spending, versus cheap guys who just expect you to go out of your way, and use up your gas to fuck them. There’s a guy who lives 80 miles from me. At first he offered me gas money, but flaked. Then couple weeks later talking about I can come, but he’s not going to give me gas money. I’m like bro, do you really think you’re going to make or break me by giving/not giving me gas money? Do you know how much I spend on gas per month, in a year? Goodbye 🚮 That’s one reason I try to develop good relationships with clients. I don’t want to meet dudes who devalue my time, effort and expense. For some reason, this comes off a bit condescending. It’s more like saying, “because I have more money than you, I’m busier and my time is more important than yours”. I remember years ago I was in DC unloading my luggage, and some bitch and her husband had an attitude because the hotel only had enough space for one car to enter/exit. They start getting an attitude trying to rush me, as if they are more important. He started blowing his horn, I started blowing my horn. She starting yelling, I started yelling. Then I left my car there and handed the keys to the valet 🚮 Obviously, they were running late to wherever they needed to be…but wanted me to bust my ass in the process to accommodate. And sometimes I feel clients do the same. They have limited schedules or don’t really contact with much room for planning, then fault us for being “late”. That’s not to excuse lateness, just that “people with money” didn’t exactly sit right.

The screening that’s involved with women SWs tends to be way moreso than with us. It seems many bi-clients might be used to it. But they often ask for ID, more commonly ask for deposits, and maybe other info. Most of the game players out here barely want to do any of that to get past.

And the other thing I’ll drop: People on here love to talk about asking the escort questions, but yet when the table is turned and clients get asked 2 or 3 simple pertinent questions, they either don’t respond or cut the conversation. So…I have all my info on display but yet, I can’t ask 1 question? How does that work? You can’t be all in the know, but not be willing to reciprocate the favor.

Must quote all 3 of you at once: I have to mention: sometimes an “unfriendly” or “not good vibe” is stuff that some clients make up in their minds, as an excuse. I just had this the other day. And I’ll detail how it went: For one: the client sent me a text a 6:58 a.m. on a Sunday MORNING and then when I didn’t respond, sends another again at 8 a.m. Fortunately my phone was on do not disturb because I was sleep in bed next to my “Fuck Buddy” that morning. That is far too invasive and early in the morning to be contacting someone for the 1st time, to begin with. Once I did get back to him later in the morning, around 11 (I make clear on my profile that I don’t start until noon for Outcalls and 3 p.m. when hosting) we exchange texts. But I kid you not: he took from 11 all the way until 5:30 pm to give me a time, which was for 3 hours later. All the while asking questions. When I told him I had already agreed to different plan and I would need a different time (because I asked him TWICE for time/address/deposit), I get no response. That’s not asking questions about a product. That’s just being a irritating pest. He already contacted me early in the morning, practically trying to wake me up, 1st offense. Wouldn’t give me specific time or location despite hours going by, 2nd offense. And then wouldn’t even respond when I said what time I COULD arrive, 3rd offense. It’s things like this why I have a strict deposit policy in place. I have to constantly explain on my ads about this and that thing because people assume when I move my ad to a different city, that I magically “left” the area, not understanding that if I wasn’t in the area, I would say so. But fortunately, I found out that person has 5 bad reports on blacklist app along with the 6th I posted. I made sure to include “tweaker” and “ timewaster” together, considering he asked if I can party so I can stay hard for him and his BF. Give me a break. And he probably sent me fake pictures of them too. That’s the type of time wasting stuff that gets on our nerves. Not just asking questions. All the above is true if you’re referring to DL/closeted clients. However, there’s also plenty of openly gay clients who play these games just as much. If anything, it’s often the closeted married guys who are more serious than the openly gays. I find the “gay couples” to be a bit more hesitant to book, hence the situation above. I’m just going to limit taking gay couples if I have to keep dealing with BS like that. I find the single, not active in the “nightlife” gay clients tend to be the more reliable ones. However, the other week I picked up a super discrete married client in a hotel bar 😆 He was just so involved in the conversation me and my gay friend were having, despite being married. So I had to whip out my phone and show him my website 😉 Makes me think: I need to do that more often, except I don’t live close enough to upscale boutique hotels downtown where that type of action is accessible.

There does need to be more escort input, but over the eons, people have come and gone or concerned posting could hurt their business if they say the wrong thing. There’s been a few good players, but people and priorities change I guess. Some escorts too just like to “play” very private. They only want to exude 1 type of image, the untouchable RentMan. Any sort of platform that blurs that, is best to be avoided. It doesn’t do anything to promote acceptance, change or opinions. But some people really just about themselves, and there’s just nothing you can do about it. When I do come here, admittedly it’s often during a time I’m going thru patches in the biz and need to consult. When things are smooth sailing, I just don’t always have the capacity to give input. When business is going good, I almost have to keep the momentum going on a subconscious level lol. And that could mean not really concerning what’s going on elsewhere. That said, when I am here: I’m willing to share and learn.

That should never happen. This goes back to the other thread I posted in. That’s exactly why I have an initial questionnaire, and I meant to say: Always ask what city they are in because majority of time I realize their area code could be from anywhere. It should be something like this: Hi and welcome, I’m (name). For your 1st contact, please include some more details so I can best accommodate your desire: Name/Age: City You’re In: Website Seen On: Yours or My place: This here atleast covers the bases. You shouldn’t be trekking to any hotel until first confirming they are actually in the same city. A “Westin downtown” isn’t even enough info to leave the house for. I need a specific address. It is exhausting to answer these questions, but I’ll ask them all day long versus finding out en route that they are inquiring about a travel city. As for clients not reading ads to know what city you’re in, that is frustrating and I find it to be most common on RentMasseur versus RentMen because the way it shows ads in the homepage “grid” versus RentMen, where you have to physically move your location to get visibility on whatever cities home page grid. This is sometimes where removing my number or saying “not available” comes in hand. I already know my home market is usually dead, so at times I’ll run my ad in a future or inspiring city with “not available” or no phone number. Sometimes I just want people to look at the ad, and get to know me. Some clients see an ad and get so eager, they assume I am in 5 cities at once. I think RM needs to give every client a tutorial about how to use the site. It’s harder to advertise in travel cities these days because everybody thinks just because my ad is there, that I’m also there. No. Ask me, don’t assume. And be willing to plan.

Well… I think clients input is okay to an extent, as you want to have both sides to a story and it does help having some feedback from clients in between replies. Some clients may even agree with providers on some subjects, which can often help others understand that it doesn’t always have to be differing opinions. Also I’ll add: when it comes to asking about client background/age, I’m finding I need to stay true to that. Before anybody says anything about it. The other week I had someone come thru, who I would have normally turned away before even meeting. I should have because he turned out to be a pain in the ass in more ways than one (no pun/reference intended). I won’t be doing that again. And I knew something wasn’t right because I was trying to get him to give more info about his looks, and he was being evasive.

Looking back at the text and response, even my view has somewhat changed since this thread came up lol. I don’t think there was even any “fault” in the exchanges. I see it was just bad communication on both sides, and unfortunately in todays gay hookup world: I’m learning bad communication is the #1 cause of most missed connections. I actually noticed that the escort’s responses were actually more time wasting than the clients. The client asked questions, the escort responded like a Grindr chat. This is why I have long time ago created Pre-written templates for every client, to get the conversation where it needs to go. For example: Hi and welcome, I’m (name). For your 1st contact, please include some more details so I can best accommodate your desire: Name/Age: Self Describe: Top/Btm: Website Seen On: Yours or My place: This right here answers 99% of questions I need to know. What does get me is some clients who immediately freak out and either don’t reply or say something like, “never mind”. I have to make clear to people, you aren’t texting your football buddy or Aunt Melissa. Be prepared that I’m going to respond professionally. If I was the client in this situation, I would have wanted to have my own Pre-template. Sounds like the OP did, but it wasn’t really pertinent questions. So, the provider got annoyed. But the provider was waiting for the client to do all the work, and that’s where he could have done better.

Actually , it’s even MORE of a mental toll NOT fucking three or four or more clients a day 😆 I’m nearing a week since my last in person client. I wish I had 3-4 friendly, respectful clients right now. That I can handle. But having ads up and no real bookings for days: I can’t.

Fortunately, the online circuit is mostly safer than the streets and other means. Most of the scariest incidents here among gays and sex in America is: usually from Grindr, hookup apps or random drunken nightclub “freebies”. Generally those situations occur because there’s a lack setting boundaries (also known as being “difficult” to some).

And to add; nothing is difficult about what I’m asking. It’s all very elementary stuff. If you can go to RentMasseur, or RentMen, look thru profiles, and go thru the trouble and difficulty of contacting your interest: It’s a piece of cake logging onto Venmo or Cash App and clicking 1 button to confirm a session. The real part that’s difficult? TRUST. T R U S T. And it seems to lack for some. For example: the other day I was trying to book a client who contacted me. I mentioned my deposit. No, he only pays cash (lies). Okay, I’ll make an exception (any time I have to say that, they rarely pan out anyway). Then I asked for something like a pic (I don’t normally but he just wasn’t giving me enough essential info about him/what he was looking for, and I felt like I needed a pic before I was going to travel to the next city and meet him). He’s like nope, doesn’t want to do that either, and that he’s cancelling. There’s a difference between being discreet and being uncompromising. You can’t just go around and expect providers to run things the way you want them to be. Plus, when I sent a cancellation fee request: he had his picture already public on the payment app 🤦🏽‍♂️ There’s even tons of discussions out on Reddit about these topics:

Who is most other escorts? Not the same ones people mention who flake out or don’t answer their phones when the client shows up? It’s not necessarily about making things more difficult, it’s just having the right to run things the way a person sees fit. I don’t have to do what “most” other escorts do, because not all escorts have the same circumstances as one another. Plus, unless you ask you really don’t know what someone’s situation is. They can display whatever they want you to hear in their ads, or likewise leave out whatever. In my case, I have to address hosting because that’s often the majority of requests I get. So I’m telling people I can host, but I’m not just able to take it any way they want to show up. It’s not just showing up anymore. I need deposit. That’s not being difficult, that’s called boundaries. And running an individual show. Now I have asked myself the same, and I have been either feeling the effect from it or just from the general MonkeyPox stuff that’s been slowing things down already. So I have relaxed on outcalls for the time being. However incalls still need to be handled a certain way.

That I’m aware of. There’s a site I browse in UK called Saafe and they actually have a “warnings and wasters “ section on their forum that discreetly allows users to post bad incidents and even a separate section for non threatening situations where an in person meet may not have occurred, but could be a proceed with caution situation (hint hint @Kevin Slater and our dear mods as this forum becomes so much more innovative than ever before 😉 But I’ve seen the reports. London and the UK had some real loonies. But probably not nearly much more than here.

I do simply state that in my ad. Most recently I had to make it a little clearer. Though I never implied I couldn’t host. Many times especially on RentMasseur where it doesn’t layout the profile with profile text first: few ever reads my ad. That’s why on occasion I’ll hide my number because, they just look at pictures, click my number, yet have no idea about what my limitations and preferences are to the most essential details. I even say in my ad what my hosting hours are, to correspond with hotels (anytime after 11 a.m. or before 3 p.m. is not a good time to schedule unless I’m there consecutive nights). people still contact me asking to meet outside those times. I will admit part of the confusion lies with the layout of RMass. There’s lots of info but nothing that directly points to directions before contacting. I should ask when people click our number, we need to be able to have a message in there of our own.

I’ve come up with a temporary solution from now until I can get back into a full time incall spot: Going to be adding an extra $100 to bookings where I have to host. Leaning more towards $100, but maybe $50-75 as a midpoint. Regardless if I have 1 or 3 clients booked that day. Just like restaurants charge the cost of a bottle for 1 glass, I pretty much have to let the hotel be more profitable. Having to go out and get a hotel from home or even when I’m already traveling is costing me more than just money. It’s time looking, booking, etc. dealing with incompetent hotel staff/annoying guests who come 5 in a group, take up 15 minutes to check in when I have a client on the way: also stresses me out. And I just haven’t been getting paid enough to do it. Example: last Friday I booked a room to host on Priceline, pre-paid $87. But upon arrival, there was mixup that the hotel couldn’t charge the 3rd party’s credit card. Half hour waiting went by, and decided I just throw down my card and have them charge it until they figured it out. That amount is still tied up on my account, right when it’s time for my RentMen ad renewal, which is also $80. I can’t keep covering the costs to host. People need to just get it out their heads that everyone can just easily host them anytime on a dime. It’s costing me money out of pocket to do so, and I’m not earning enough back when it’s only 1, maybe 2 clients who book in a day. There’s an (female) escort in San Francisco who charges an extra $200 “rush fee” for same day bookings and I think an extra to host as well. I’m not necessarily going that route, but it’s time to start adding onto rates where it takes extra time and money. Many clients just want to hear a 1 number rate, and expect it to cover every situation. No. If it costs me more, I have to charge more.

“allegedly agreed to pay $80 for a brief sexual encounter with an undercover detective, it was reported. “ These are not rates quoted by actual *ex workers, they were quoted by the “fishers” and the cheap price reeled in the “bait” That said, how disgusting and predictable. Polk County in Florida, I used to live there briefly. Was actually the last county I lived in Florida. I probably only got 1 actual client in the area, but all other times I would go to Orlando, Tampa, etc. That area is just nasty and trashy to begin with. I don’t even know how these people even got trapped in the first place. But that’s also why I have turned down 2 “invites” to come to Florida this year. I just refuse to go back, unless like in November: it’s a special commercial event that I’m getting paid to attend, and have all accommodations paid. But to go and try to “tour” for clients: absolutely not. Unless I have one booked in advance for an overnight or weekend. The people in ”leadership/power” in Florida, are just trash. Dirty, filthy, nasty trash lol. And then business there is less than what it should be because half are afraid of getting “stung” by shit like this. It’s the absolute worse. I hoped we were headed in the right direction with criminal Justice reform, it seems to still be “held up”. If we are going to give so much reverence on national television to the Queen of England, than for fucks sake: at least take into account that she never placed bans on individual sex work.

I think that could be the effects of “dual income” providing. Perhaps if they have extra things going on, they can ask for a higher amount. Good for them, not great for those hiring. That’s why I prefer to be in the 175-250 range to start. Even though I am getting more variety and better quality of clients, it still seems like the amount overall has dropped off a bit. I can see somebody else being like: I’ll just do this “on the side” and get my 1 or 2 $500 client per month and I’ll be straight. Fantasy doesn’t always become reality…