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Fact check: this is inaccurate. “Many clients” do not find payment in advance or a deposit to be considered awkward. I’ve been doing it for years, and to this day. Even the first time newbie clients have no issue and understand it. Clients have even said they agree with the concept of deposit also. The only ones I find who have an issue with deposit, are the hires who troll provider’s ads expecting it to be easy peasy to book. They enjoy making a provider feel as small as possible by doing as little as possible. They don’t want to put any effort: they don’t want to read, or share any info, or do anything constructive to ensure that there’s going to be compatibility. They just ask questions, without providing any sort of answer of their own. And last time I checked: that’s a one-sided conversation. And no, timewasters are not just people who ask 1 or 2 questions. Fact check again. Point in case: look at this idiot, my website is right in his face, all he has to do is click a couple things. It takes 0 physical exertion. You’ll spend less time reading my ad and website than browsing the entire listing in a particular city. So I told him: Funny how he refers to me as a hooker, the very thing he contacted for to begin with. More of a reflection on him than me🤦🏾‍♂️

What does this thread have to do with me? I appreciate the mention, but not sure why my name has to be brought up here. I left the forum weeks ago to focus on my business, so talking smack behind my back is uncalled for. That said, for as much as I bring up topics to discussion, I am also doing stuff about it and being pro-active: I get in contact with RentMen about my concerns, I write FAQS on my website, I direct clients to reviews, I actually get in the trenches and TALK to clients directly who may be in miscommunication (actually spent days back and forth with a potential client last month, he was being very hard to schedule, blaming me for miscommunication, etc.) now he’s a regular and we have so much fun. And that’s after I told him he owed me a cancellation fee, after he flaked even after sending me a deposit. He said once I said that, he started taking me seriously. And that’s the issue: many of these RentMen men don’t take us serious. Lot of this stuff we do gets psychological and I understand that. It’s not just about money, it’s about cracking heads open (figuratively) and getting people to understand each other’s view. Like one client was like, “I been scammed sending money upfront”. And I say: “and I get scammed every time a client says they’re going to pay me and then flakes out, which happens more than the 2 or 3 times it’s happened to you”. Hell…I just had a guy pose as a gay couple, saying he was going to book me: turns out it was some straight guy with a wife playing games. How can you be sure of that? What if legalization happens, and prices are driven down or regulated? Can you really predict the future? You’re getting too far ahead of things. You can’t assume an upward trend 📈 based on all things in general. And the real truth has been stated: sex worker incomes go up the slowest amongst industries. I can’t recall the exact resource, but it was mentioned that rates have mostly stagnates over the past 10-20 years. I know this for a fact because I been doing $150-$250 tiers since way back in 2018. My first booking on rentboy was $220. 2008. Fast forward: there are still some out there who feel anything over $200-$250 is too expensive. Meanwhile: I had someone tell me the other day I should be charging no less than $400. I decided that I want my full service sessions to be in the $275-$350 range. $200 and $250 doesn’t always cut the cost for overheads. I used to do that, and by the time I got the hotel in the city that I drove to see them: I’d only have $120-$200 actually made, unless I had someone else booked that day.

The problem with this is: guys have said $400 is too much and $300 is too much and $250 is too much and $150 is too much and anything that’s not free is too much. I am at the point to stop basing my rates on what guys think is “expensive”. I tell them yes, it’s expensive when I have to spend $350+deposit on a hotel to fuck in for a couple days. Like I did when I was in New Orleans last month. And FWIW, had a hot guy tell me I should be charging $400 minimum. And the week prior had another hot guy actually PAY ME $400. So yeah…life happens 🤷🏾‍♂️ However, $400 isn’t my rate or base rate. It’s great to have, but I’m from the old school 20 teens where $250 was porn star rates on RentBoy. So…I still feel $250-300 is a reasonable. HOWEVER #2: I have decided it’s time to start ADDING my deposit into “available now” bookings. So my session may be $400+ depending on the visit they go for. Getting ready and doing a booking short notice I feel deserves me a bit extra onto my rate.

I can’t speak on anyone in particular but: “sort of looks like photos” sounds very suspect. It reminds me years ago I was in Sarasota and a client had another escort to join. I was looking at the pics but the guy who came in was not it! The session went on anyway, but I just remember even I felt so awkward. How can somebody use someone else’s pics and just show up being someone else? Also seen ads run from a guy I knew personally from Washington DC, in San Jose California. And it’s been running for months. Probably still is. But I just notice though, the advertised guy seems to pop up in my market regularly. Idk why there’s so many coming into KC area but, there’s nothing here. Majority of the inquiries in the KC area are flakes or phonies, last minute cancel or just turn out to be impossible to schedule. That’s why I had to turn to deposits and screening, otherwise I would just sit around and have my time wasted round the clock.

One thing that’s hard currently: is pricing expectations to the rentmen, RentMasseur and adam4adam market. I find A4A clients can either be generous or WAAAY out of tune to prices. As in, they think $200 is enough for a massage, bareback *** and…get this: 2 HOURS. And then gaslight me if I ask for anything different. Like in the past week: one client was able to do $300 and another only $150. Yet the 150 guy wanted more than the 300 one. However I was able to come up with a compromise for both, which worked out. I also have to adjust my rates on A4A just a tad, because I been finding people don’t respond more than $200. I almost feel A4A is the “Groupon” of services in a way. Not verbatim but just many guys not attune to pricing. However, I won’t call them cheap or the site not worth it, because in some cities A4A outperforms RentMen and RentMasseur. It also seems the site was dying but, it seems to have made a rebound now that everyone has gotten used to their new platform. Initially I didn’t like it either, but now I really like it because it’s easy and efficient. But, people tend to get frustrated of website changes. Thats where I feel RentMen is now. I’m barely getting any clients from there lately. People couldn’t figure out the new version, and now it’s slowed down a lot. I tried the new version and it isn’t bad, it’s just not as laid out as the regular one. Then again, RentMen has always had a quirky layout that differed from others. But, they’re doing their best and are top right now; however I feel it’s experiencing it’s own “recession” because now I’m just getting spam and scam texts round the clock, and not many clients are contacting me from there lately in my home market (it’s only good when I use it for traveling). I put on my auto reply that I’m no longer responding to RM messenger inquiries or RM emails because I got sick and tired of people bullshitting me and playing games on email and messenger.

It varies. I’ve had many first timer overnights and long evenings. I find many gay guys (and not using that in a stereotypical or generalizing manner) tend to enjoy overnight and morning company. But certain clients also welcome a longer session. It just depends on the vibe and personality of the person. Some of my best encounters start as an evening or overnight.

https://www.jarrodbrandon.com/about

My website is connected to my Ads. Once they see that, the website is just an extension of what I offer. I don’t want to be 100% explicit about my services, because it’s a website. One has to get in touch with me and let me walk them thru. My business card is the same way. I don’t list rates, my face or descriptive service. It’s that way by design. I’m not trying to be explicit, rather: informative. These are my rates and levels: but it’s not going to necessarily be in your face descriptions.

Did I ask a question though? No: I just stated a comment. As I’ve said before: you don’t have to like what I post. In case you’re wondering, or if there’s any doubt in your mind: I’m not posting to appease to your tastes or say what you want to hear. There’s plenty other threads here to read. Why you feel a need to keep coming around to what I say, and trying to gaslight me into believing I have no reason to expect, ask or suggest better from people: is very narrow minded on your part. See your way out, please. Block me if you need to. I’m done talking with you.

Have you actually read my website? The stuff you’re talking about tier level service is offered there…

First of all: I wouldn’t be hitting anyone up on Grindr asking to pay me. That’s not even my style. I was posting a profile of someone who hit me up, first. I can’t continue arguing and explaining how hookup apps affect the industry indirectly, but I do understand the potential effects it has on business. I feel it’s most noticeable in smaller markets. In bigger cities, there’s usually enough diversity of men to offset that, but it’s not so much the case in certain markets. And in those areas, sometimes hookup apps is the only way to connect with men looking for sex. So, in those cases, it’s not out of the question to just post up and BE AVAILABLE to the POSSIBILITY of meeting a POTENTIAL client from that Avenue. I’ve done it before, many times. And I don’t hit them up, I wait for them to hit me up. That’s all I’m saying. No deep philosophical dissertation or debate needed. Just stating simple fact and observations.

I understand there are guys out there who may charge $250-$300 for a rub and tug. I’m not one of them. In fact my website on my signature lists 3 different sessions clients are able to choose from. I am able to decipher the difference between a rip off service and getting ones money worth. Someone may say I’m expensive, but when I’m spending minimum $300 for gas, hotel, etc etc on a trip (and let’s face it, that’s just doing the minimum, I know many client’s hotels cost that much per night) if I only get 1 client at my base session of $175-$200: that’s barely EVEN breaking even. And if were to charge say: $100: that would assume I would get at least 3 clients to show up to equal $300. I can tell you right now, as I’ve said to the above poster: I’ve offered clients sessions like this and they still don’t show up. So, lowering the price just because someone else thinks I should, is not a solution. And you can’t necessarily say to me: if someone thinks it’s too expensive it is. In case there’s any doubt: I get plenty of clients booking at my prices. It just varies based on location, website and individual preferences. Hell, one of my clients told me about a guy he hired for $60. But he still pays me $300. So…what’s the compromise here? There is non. I’ve said it previously: answering questions isn’t an issue. It’s how someone chooses to ask them. It can be done without putting someone down or devaluing their service.

I understand that. I’ll be the first to admit: I engage in non hired sex from time to time. For me, I need that to balance the dichotomy between the 2. I’ve said that before. In fact, just did it yesterday. But, it wasn’t as candid as just coming over to somebody with nothing more than sex as the purpose. It’s somebody who’s also open to chat, watch TV, spend the night, cuddle, etc. I’m not putting everybody under an umbrella saying that if they don’t pay, they’re cheap. I’m talking specially about general hooking up. There are guys out there looking for free sex: but their parameters are alongside something you’d seek an escort for. Like in the example I posted: he goes from saying he likes hung men, to he’s not going to give dollars. That’s CHEAP. He’s not saying, “I like guys who enjoy watching tv and are interested in a boyfriend”. He went straight to describing a person’s endowment, and then adding in his profile that he’s not going to pay for it. That’s a cheapskate. PERIOD. Nothing you can say to change that. I didn’t ask him for money, he volunteered on his profile not to pay money. He could have said all that and left that out, and I would have said: “he knows what he wants”.

It is a thrift store. People are looking for free sex. I see it all the time. The ads are all about not wanting to pay. It’s a gay flea market. What’s offensive about that? Lol. Now, if people were actually looking to date and find romance…no sex expected, I could see how that would be offensive. But majority on there are not: they are looking for quick, cheap, easy flings. Without any money involved. Not because they are trying to save money like Dollar Tree or GoodWill, but because they are cheap. Mind you: I’m not trying to say every guy on the apps is that mindset. But majority are. I’m actually trying to understand your point. You just mentioned a situation about guys hooking up for free multiple times a week. What does that have to do with me? If that’s what you want to do…go ahead and do it. I’m not necessarily comparing Grindr guy to Grindr guy. I’m moreso saying in a bigger scheme of things: Grindr is doing a better job attracting freebie hookups, than RentMen is attracting paying customers. It’s just a fact. I know this because I work in the big markets and the small markets. I’ll sit at a hotel and have nothing all day long waiting for RM clients, but will get on Grindr and my messages are filled to the brim (granted with majority flakes and freebies). I’m just making a statement. I’m not in any way condoning or suggesting hookup apps are better source for escorting or clients. I’m just saying what the traffic is like.

I get that…but again I’m talking in general, not just one person. When I look at the bigger picture, I believe hookup apps still play a partial role in the level of biz. I get what you’re saying, but I’m just going based on facts and what I see. I could easily say: “I’ll never go on those apps”. But it’s better to be in the know, than to not know at all. And I know for a fact, a lot of potential, past and current clients have used or are using those apps. I would be lying if I said, “no client has ever mentioned Grindr to me before”. They have. They aren’t ignorant. I’m not saying it’s dooms day, but I am saying: it has an EFFECT to a DEGREE on the level of business. I should be very busy with lots of calls in Kansas City. Heck, I went out to the store yesterday and got 2 compliments on my beard, and it wasn’t from gay men. I know it’s not necessarily something “wrong” with me, but instead: a bigger force that I can’t always compete against. Not to mention, the already increasing “competition” on the rent websites. It’s only so many times I can sit and blame myself, and take other people’s advice: before realizing and understanding sometimes the issue is bigger than me. I can go on Grindr and get dozens of hookup offers, and they’ll wait to book me in advance: long as it’s free. I can find them in big cities and small towns. My “complaints” (as some people like to lower them to) on the forum are not about a lack of sex. It’s the system. I feel like there was a sweet spot in the number of booking I was getting during the heights of Covid, and now it’s fizzled out. I have heard other sex workers say the same, that they were busier during Covid than they are now.

The “gripe” that I have isn’t with the advice given: it’s the presentation. I’ve said this before. Ask yourself: are you really invested in helping, or do you just want to nitpick and see me shut up? That’s the thing. You aren’t coming to me in a helpful or constructive manner, you’re using demeaning, belittling, and condescending tone to get me to submit and scare me off from sharing the truth. That’s the problem, and that’s why we don’t see eye to eye. You also keep using general language and answers that is incorrect. Such as: “that’s why I don’t get any clients, or claiming I reject everyone’s advice”. You rarely come to me with respect and understanding, you come at me throwing flares: and that’s why I will never agree to your assessments. You come with a bitchy, sarcastic tone in every reply…and I can’t respect you for that. I know I’m spending way more time than any escort would arguing with you, but part of my duty to create a better hiring space, is talking to people like you: who can’t aren’t cognitive to the behavior and treatment of sex workers that doesn’t better the industry. Do you ever just agree with anything I post? You always have to come trying to prove me wrong or correct me. Everything you saying I do, you are doing exactly that. You literally make an argument out of everything I post.

This is a great strategy. I always feel a day or 2 isn’t too far in advance but, it also gives enough time to “catch them while they’re still horny”.

I was mainly posting that in the context of what you asked me in the prior post. In my case, I wasn’t “offended” by it. But I “might” tell them that, just to let them know: they’re not winning any points with me, by making disparaging/snide remarks towards aspects of the profession. Regardless if it’s indirectly towards me, or amateurs doing it the wrong way. Even if I’m not advertising on the platform or doing the same that those other guys might be doing: why bring it up? If someone can’t post about getting “paid”, then they shouldn’t be able to post about “not” paying someone. It’s right up there with the “no fats, Blacks, or fems” slogan. Okay so non of those suit your preference? Fine. But they don’t need to ostracize an entire segment of people based on something they don’t like. Saying it’s “sad” and not giving “You” dollars is nothing short of belittling and bullying. And if Grindr is so bad and full of opportunists, then maybe they don’t need to be there. Get off the phone, get out the house and meet guys in real life if it’s that much a bother. People on the forum love to tout “It’s part Of the business, you just gotta deal with it”. Well then, hunting for free sex on gay apps is also “Part of the business” that someone may ask for money or looking for a paid interaction. (matter of fact, probably moreso in the men looking for women realm as there’s plenty of women who won’t sleep with a guy who doesn’t pay a bill or take them to dinner, etc). And as for the RentMen client looking for a freebie: don’t even get me started. I could post so many text/Rentmen messages, this thread will run out of room and the forum will run out of bandwidth. “Some” Rentmen/Adam4Adam “potential” clients have been trying to get free interactions for ages. Hell, I just went thru and re-did access to my private gallery and there were like 1,500 members wanting access to my private gallery. Some who never reached out to book an appointment. I have plenty of pictures already. The problem is, we can’t even say in our ads: “do not contact me unless you’re able to pay”. We have to be bubbly and positive. Yet majority of hookup ads I read, the person is jaded or saying something to imply they are fed up. Where’s the “stop complaining” brigade when you need them? Lol.

The problem with that, many of those types don’t always follow thru. Especially if talking meeting in less than an hour to 30 minutes, and coming to that person’s place. Some get tripped up, over booking in advance. It’s not always a case of needing to “plan” being horny. It just comes down to basic common sense that someone who just realized your existence, is probably going to need to get into position to connect. Now if someone wants to just dive in haphazardly, don’t be surprised if expectations aren’t met. Not by me, just in general. Because some people tend to lump all escorts on a site just because they met 2 guys who screwed them over. One thing that amazes me: as much as I talk about “freebie hookup apps”, I find most all of my meets on there go accordingly. Sure you have the flakes, but most people who get to the number exchange point: usually don’t have a problem waiting a couple/few hours or planning the next day. But nobody is being put off: it’s just basic coordinating schedules. Anybody on hookup apps who’s expecting to meet asap without trying to figure anything out, is a red flag. I just don’t be so quick to meeting someone, without first figuring out what they are even into.

First of all, I don’t need YOU to tell me there’s an issue with my business model. And I just told you: me not getting enough business has mainly been limited to my HOME MARKET, that’s why I travel. You obviously don’t comprehend or listen too well, and that’s the reason why I bother you so much. And if I didn’t, you wouldn’t be talking so much shit every time I post something. If you think you can be a better escort than me, then why not put up your own ad, and see if you can make more money? If it bothers you that much. And if you criticize my needing a deposit, then leave me your number so you can be the first person I call when I need to host an appointment…and you can send me cash or money to pay for the incall location that I book when I host, or the travel expenses I spend to drive to different locations. If you can’t do all of the above, stop talking to me. Because you not even saying anything relevant. You keep saying business model, business model: but you don’t even HAVE a business model at all to offer. So STFU. If I take suggestions from people, it’s going to be within the realms of what’s possible. There’s a difference between suggestions and changing how someone does biz. It takes a non-judgmental person, to decipher the difference. You just want me to do whatever is thrown at me, without any understanding of individual circumstances. Don’t tell me to do something, and don’t give the blueprint or tools to make it happen.

Hmm…yeah, but I mean I have seen such crazy scenarios myself. But like I mentioned, I have to gauge how much crazy I want to actually get involved in. Sometimes my gut isn’t always right, but most times: what seems weird does turn out to be weird. Not to mention more than 1 red flag/dealbreaker , IS a red flag in of itself. In this case: no deposit, daughter at home, and looking for now…and two hours at that. It all makes me go 🤨 Oh…and “personal line” shows up in the “background” check. There’s no real confidence to go to something like that, other than “I’ll meet all sorts of people”. I don’t particularly worry about stings but: I’ve seen shows where it’s some crazy booking request: one show, the “undercover client” wants to dress up like a clown and have 2 women service him. Then, the police busts in and arrest the women. So it’s like yeah, anything that deviates from client behavior I’m used to…is going to be scrutinized. It coulda all been good and gravy or, without an apartment number I could turn up and get ghosted…at best. Non of which is pleasant considering to get downtown takes me an hour. I just rather be safe, than to be blaming myself later.

Everything what @Jamie21 said, but also any weird stuff. Like today: I had a guy tell me his daughter was in the place and to be very discreet if I come over. And before that he asked if I could come now, and wanted 2 hours. Everything just started sounding sketchy, and in my area: 90% of the booking requests here are sketchy anyway: so I sent him a deposit request just to rule out anything weird. Didn’t receive it so, likely bullet dodged. And people wonder why I ask for deposits. If they been in the game as long as I have: they’d ask for it too. I’m open to different scenarios but, it’s better when there’s no surprises or things omitted. Because then I have to start asking extra questions and making sure I’m not stepping into some shit. At the end of the day, long as it’s not a risky situation I’m good.

That’s a tough one…I have to really pick and choose what smiling pics I put up. I don’t think it says anything in particular about the person, just moreso the look they want to give. For some people, smiling can come off looking cheesy in pictures. I mean, even some celebrities smile/don’t smile often in most all their pictures. Or it’s just the overall serious sexy look, versus the playful sexy look. For example:

Agreed. I will say the only thing keeping me hanging onto emails is: the days I’m not on tour and don’t want to be on call 24/7, and being able to receive reviews since it’s required that an email exchange be had to receive one. Other than that, I don’t care for email stuff anymore. Matter of fact: an even bigger P.P. Is when someone emails and is asking to meet today at a certain time at a certain hotel (or my place), in their first reply. One better hope I’m not involved in something like: chores and hobbies at that moment. Because it’s guaranteed not to be seen until after the time has passed that they’re available 🫤 Timely for: text or email? Like was mentioned, timely varies…But standard business practice across the board for email is 24 hours. Text is a bit different, not a whole lot of etiquette has been done on it. But if I were to write the rules, 2 hours to return an initial text could be considered timely. Subsequent texts in an active conversation, not more than 30 minutes apart.

Yes, we are. But only to an extent. The issue is more complex and insidious than it seems on the surface. Hookup apps can and do affect business. Especially in rural areas. In my area, and even in medium market/Low-Middle Class cities: Hookup apps are king for gay meets. Meanwhile, RentMasseur and RentMen are pretty much dead in those same areas. Then they come to us, expecting me to play around like the app guys do: text 1 word sentences, trade pics, flake and etc etc. It doesn’t have to be a direct competition, but when it’s the most commonplace way to connect, it’s bound to have some affect. Granted, most guys who hire are aware of those apps and the time wasted/flakes/or even actual legit hot guys who simply aren’t available short notice, like many request us to do. So, they realize it’s better to book a professional, versus killing hours browsing thrift store apps.