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Yeah, you said what I was feeling better than I did. 

Ok, I just got back. 10's across the board! Very hot and nice Spanish guy, good massage, clean apartment, nice table, music, candles. Will repeat. Parking a bit tricky due to permits.

My last two experiences with him (the most recent one being within the last month) were not as good as they used to be. His massage remains good and the sensual elements but:

1. He shorted me 30 minutes both times while charging for 90 minutes
2. He's gotten a little bit more aloof when messaging, it was to the point that I was hesitant to continue with the booking
 
I don't know. I feel like there are others that I see that offer at least what he offers and maybe with more skill, so I'm not sure that I'll continue seeing him. I only hesitate because the first few sessions were really amazing and I miss that energy that made it all worth it.

Can mostly second @Enronnjaviews, although less in-shape last week by far than the pics. No abs, a little bit of chub. i still think he was hot, but just saying he doesn't match his photos presently. 60 minute session lasted only 30 minutes though as he was a little excited. Personally, wouldn't repeat.

I don't recommend PersianTouch either. I saw him a few times and have found him consistently cold. The first time, near the beginning of the massage he said something to the effect of 'I'll tell you when you can touch' (I hadn't done anything), so I felt timid to do anything at all. At the end of the massage he told me that it seemed like I didn't find him attractive. I told him that it was the opposite, it was more to do with the initial [stern] order. I repeated a second time, it wasn't a very noteworthy experience. Third time was about a year later and there was just really cold energy. He wasn't as buff at all as his pics, but definitely I found him still to be hot AF. He spoke a lot about how he's a professional and doens't need this (I think he's a physician by day) etc.... It was just weird.

I've seen him. I found that his massage skills are not that bad, but the sensual aspect wasn't worth the price he charges. It might have been more expensive because of his SC and other porn films, but I didn't know about those when I saw him.

I second @Epigonos, i was disappointed. I had been waiting a long time to see him. Very rushed, awkward environment, and clearly just not ‘into it’. i would never repeat. Very business-like.

I do this, too.  If I see him starting to clean up at an hour when we've booked for 90 minutes, I'll say, "For the last 20 minutes, can you focus on my feet and calves?".  I've never had a masseur say no.
One time, I just paid him for the hour rate instead of the 90 minute rate.  He had no problem with that.
But being shortened on time rarely happens.  Most masseurs finish right on time, or even go over by a few minutes and then I tip accordingly.  I always book 2 hour sessions if available.

I work hard to retain my clients. I learn what they like and lean into it. I find my long term client appointments keep getting better and better, both for massage and ‘more’. Some of them transition from the former to the latter, or some combination. The relationship and quality of interaction tends to build up over time rather than erode. I value my clients.
Anyone that felt I shorted them on time I would like to hear directly about it so that I can make it right. I go the whole time, and often a little over. If your guy gaslights or dismisses you when you bring up the time shorting issue, it’s time to move on. This is an expensive service. You’re paying a premium. You deserve quality service for the whole time you booked. Period.
Repeat business is the best and easiest business. It pays to be diligent in providing the full time (quantity) but also quality time matters. Guys that don’t understand this concept baffle me! 
^This is only true if we were paid like a full time employees billing something like 2080 hours per year. Our profession doesn’t work that way. Our booked (and therefore compensated) hours represent a fraction of full time, perhaps 20-30 hours per week. It’s possible, but unusual for a masseur to be booked more than 40 hours per week. At a bare minimum, I have 30 min gaps between back-to-back clients and that prevents me from booking 40+ hours per week, even when every day is 100% booked in a given week.
For some of us with other jobs, we may only book 10-15 hours a week. You better believe we spend 10-20 hours (or more) per week on all the UNPAID (yet necessary) parts of the job like responding to endless inquiries at all hours of the day/night, many of which never lead to a completed appointment. Marketing, client follow up, cleaning, laundry, shopping, continuing education, prep work, personal care, gym (if you count that), client development, outcall transportation to/from clients (including traffic and being early to always arrive on time), equipment setup/takedown, restocking supplies, clients flaking last minute or no-shows, etc…. all take gobs of time.
We are compensated a high rate for the time clients actually book and show up for, NOT for all the other work we do. So cut that $300,000+ “salary” down accordingly. The rates you pay us factor all that extra work in. Some weeks or months are slow. Some days we have no work because of bad weather and clients flake. Other times we travel and have back to back work all day. It varies. 

Agreed. It is disrespectful when time is cut short. For a 60 minute session, the massage should last close to 50 mins with ten minutes allowed to get dressed, clean up, final chat and part ways.   I think with regulars they can start taking you for granted which is unfortunate.  I think it might be unintentional but it lacks professionalism. I agree, play dumb and mention the time issue. Otherwise you will stew and sulk and feel cheated. At the end of the day, it is still a business transaction. Speak up and stand up for yourself. You can do it in a nice polite way. 

I think with all human interactions when you have an uncomfortable situation like being shorted on time and you're afraid to bring up the subject for fear of upsetting the other person......act dumb.
"Oh..are we done already ? I could have sworn I booked for 90 minutes not 60. Am I wrong ? "

I really dislike when my time is cut short, which unfortunately has occurred several times. If it's the first encounter with that provider, I opt not to hire them again. However, if they're a regular provider, I approach the situation differently. I believe some of them may take clients for granted and assume they don't need to put in effort to retain them. Typically, I may lightly mention the issue of ending sessions early, and most providers understand the hint.  If they don't, I'll have a conversation with them before considering hiring them again to address the matter directly.

The word 'relationship' is very flexible, so I wouldn't read too much into it. A professional relationship is still a relationship if it involves periodic contact, whether it's your doctor, accountant or masseur. If you go to the same cafe every morning,  your relationship with your barista is probably one of your closest (and they may know more about you than anyone else!).

For this very reason, I never schedule 90-minute sessions. You pay massage therapists for their time, so if they short you, you should compensate accordingly. By using the word “relationship” a couple of times in your post, it also sounds like you’ve grown attached to your favorites. At the end of the day though, you’re just a client to them. 90 percent of the masseurs in LA overcharge anyway, so take your hard-earned cash elsewhere if they begin to cut your appointment times short. If you absolutely can’t live without their massage, then bring it up and they should understand. If not, move on!
Again, so many take advantage of the service they’re providing and are getting paid $150+ an hour for just a mediocre massage. I know everyone in LA seems to be millionaires but these guys are making the same per hour as someone on a $300K+ annual salary. For that kind of money, their hands shouldn’t be coming off your body until the 90-min mark.

I had similar experience. He wanted to go way further than I was okay with, and when I playfully and consistently said "here are my limits", he made the interactivity letter far less than what others here describe, and far less than most of my "sensual" experiences. If I was okay with full deli, I'd go with him, but he really wasn't okay with "no".

Younger Ryan Phillippe vibes.

Peace to everyone! I would feel glad for others if they will have a better experience or interaction with the providers. Let’s cheers to that!!!

I wonder if he’s related to Jenny? 

Not recommended.  Underwhelming in every way.  The table is in a very small tight space that he can barely walk around.  The massage consisted of repetitive half-hearted strokes.  Mechanical, uninterested HE, and he literally walked away and started getting dressed the second the ending started.

Yes back in NYC and I saw him yesterday.   Super nice guy - hair longer than in the pics but suits him. Very accommodating. Provides a solid pressure-point/shiatsu style massage on bed when not in LA.  $200 for 1/hr, will wear underwear or nothing; MT/HE.  If that sounds what your looking for, I'd recommend, and I'd repeat.

come on dude, no reason to be mean

It was that the therapeutic in the first one was actually really good, and for the rate, it was worth doing.

It was that the therapeutic in the first one was actually really good, and for the rate, it was worth doing.

He's therapeutic. I agree about the aloofness. Messaging was a little rough. He sounded condescending and warmed near the end.
First visit: the therapeutic side was very good. DIdn't like the draping, but yes, his technique was good. S
econd time: his aloofness was so dramatic that I thought he didn't have my number saved. If it's still bad on the third time, will no longer see him.
Rates are great though.
Would love to hear others experiences.