Massageislife

Onamission, I live in the heart of m4m massage: Manhattan. Maybe that's what made me believe that massage is life! You're as corny as me. Many of these masseurs are miracles: beautiful gay men who can (and probably do) have all the men they want but still give their all to my poor body. Their earnest desire to give me pleasure has made me want to look better, even though I would never become the young, fit man they'd pick up in a bar. Most of all, I aspire to be their best client, which doesn't just mean tipping them very well (which I do) but treating them with respect and making sure they know how much of gift, a miracle, it is that they give to me.

Dear Sam, thanks for posting on this thread! Wow, I long for ads like that. There are a few masseurs currently who are pretty explicit about their services on rentmasseur, but their actual delivery has unfortunately been pretty debunked by posters on this site. I agree with your list of erotic basics. The majority of my erotic massages went beyond those three in one way or another. Strangely, oral (performed on me) has almost never happened. The reverse (performing on them), kissing, massaging them, and fucking even have happened more often. I guess my dick doesn't look tasty.

Dear Terp, thanks for posting on this thread. Sadly, we all know that younger and "hotter" guys get more on the table and everywhere. My question, however, is what is the minimal we, no matter what we look like, can expect from a massage advertised as erotic. More than wanting to hear how many extras a specific masseur gave a poster, what I really want from my brothers on this site is a heads-up from them on masseurs who advertise and charge for erotic massage but don't follow through, based on their "chemistry" with the client.

Dear Aeikaryoko, thank you for posting on this thread; the longer the better! Your comments are useful to me, at the very least! I really appreciate your openness. The courtesy you describe--I aspire to be that client--accounts, I think, for the generally positive outcomes you've had. In my experience, most masseurs have pride in their work and the particular ways they do things. It's one reason why I'm hesitant to ask for specifics before we've met. Most of them give the services their ads say they will but on their own terms and in concert with the chemistry we have. As for your description of sensual massage, I'm reluctant to hire a masseur who doesn't list "erotic" as one of their massage types, since I'm afraid they won't be nude, allow MT, and/or stay away from my cock and balls. Some of the responses in this thread, however, indicate that I may be misunderstanding what "sensual" implies. Your descriptions of "sensual" and "erotic" pretty much track with mine, though. And I agree: DIY release is for masturbation at home and nowhere else!

Dear Onamission, "older, pretty out of shape and bald. Not a big package" surely captures most of us on this site. I think your earlier post is pretty persuasive about how "hot" being a nice guy can be. I'm gonna try to start putting it like you do: "I am X and want to book a 90 (60 is way too short!) min erotic massage."

Onamission, thank you for posting on this thread! I think you're going after erotic massage the right way: on rentmasseur, at the correct (higher) pricepoint, and with community recommendations. You might also just be hot! You are also smart to stick with the reliable guys. Many of us have a wanderlust that occasionally has to go awry. Can I ask if you request an erotic massage in advance? I always think my initial outreach (to masseurs advertising erotic massage) should be "Hello, my name is X. I am looking for a combination therapeutic and erotic massage." I just can't make myself do it. I know they know that that is what clients want.

Dear Bluefin, thank you for adding to this thread! That use of YMMV can be useful. I had more in mind the times when people have used that to explain why a masseur advertising erotic massage didn't get naked, allow MT, and avoided the private zones. That's more a case of false advertising, in my mind. I agree that anyone hiring an erotic masseur who expects interactive sex is not being reasonable. As you say: that's what escorts are for. I guess the suspense around whether there will be more than basic erotic service can be exciting, but there's no pleasure in wondering whether the advertised basic service will be provided. I guess I may find myself unsatisfied occasionally, since I just can't make myself ask for nudity, MT, and release in my communications with the masseur before we've met. Do you think it's safe for masseurs to confirm those services with strangers?

GayGamer, I appreciate your adding to this thread! Wow! Maybe I need to raise my expectations for "sensual" massage. I think of sensual massage as when the masseur does things that are less about digging into muscles and more about the feeling of hands (or face or body) on skin. I never think of HE as being part of sensual-only massage. With an erotic massage, I expect that the masseur will offer HE, but unless the interactiveness between me and the masseur has been pretty intense, I don't usually go for it. I have really appreciated the occasions when a masseur took his time (and skillfulness) and insisted on finishing me. It felt nice, and I think, for some masseurs, it's a point of pride. As for masseurs who advertise "erotic" but don't get naked, I find it very frustrating. If they also keep all of themselves, besides their hands, away from me and avoid my ass and dick, I feel ripped off, plain and simple. I hope you have more erotic massages that go a bit beyond. It sounds like they were fun! On the somewhat rare occasions in my experience when a massage has turned into full-on sex (sometimes that's about all it was), I've enjoyed it but not necessarily more than a good, interactive erotic massage. I think sex can happen sometimes if a masseur thinks you're open to it. Maybe your masseurs have sensed your ambivalence about going all the way.

Unfortunately, I've only met Troy. ☹️

I am interested in better understanding what "erotic" in ads on rentmasseur mean to the community and also how we can help each other seek out masseurs who actually provide this service. 90% of the time I go for a massage that I hope will be a combination of therapeutic and erotic. (There's legit massage and escorting for one or the other by themselves.) I understand that masseurs that I get from m4m sites might not have extensive training, so I try to bear with a less skilled massage. I'm only disappointed when the advertised erotic elements don't show up at all. This has only happened a few times, but I'd like to reduce the chances as much as possible. I would really appreciate your insight into two things: 1) what you consider to be reasonable minimal expectations for an erotic massage and 2) what in an ad best ensures erotic elements and what we can do, as a community, to help each other find genuine erotic masseurs. I have a vague sense of the general consensus on these questions, but I'd like to hear from you directly. 1) For me, an erotic massage consists of the masseur being nude at some point in the massage (preferably from the beginning), allowing mutual touch of at least a gentle, basic sort, and non-avoidance of my ass and cock. I've enjoyed when massages take a much more sexual turn than these basics, but receiving these basics are enough for me to feel that the masseur has lived up to his end of the bargain (and has earned a higher rate than a therapeutic massage). What are your thoughts? 2) Many on this site recommend being clear about what you are looking for upfront, but I am not comfortable--for them or for me--communicating in that way with someone who I have never met, so I have to depend on what they say on their page and what I can glean from my brothers on this site. I generally avoid the new and much declined masseurfinder, since it gives so little information (except the price) about what one might be able to expect from a masseur. On rentmasseur, however, there are several indicators of erotic service, most of all, listing "erotic" as one of the massage types offered. I also think a price point of $150-60 or more, currently, indicates that that masseur will provide erotic basics. (Are many of us willing to pay that for a solely therapeutic massage?) Finally, shirtless photos, to me, suggest that the services will have sensual elements, and sexier photos (underwear, nudes) indicate eroticism. Do you feel that these are reliable markers that the service will be erotic? Honestly, my only disappointment with this site has been some people's quick recourse to "YMMV" when questions like these arise. We all know that any two different people will interact differently, but one of the main purposes of this site is to support each other in our search for satisfying m4m massage experiences. How do we as a community define and then flag to others which providers offer erotic massage? Thanks!

They are, but, clearly, the bulk of what is written here has the purpose of recommending or warning against specific providers. Maybe the webmaster will jump in and help us!

My first regular masseur was at a legit spa. I bought a package of 10 massages with him when I was recovering from shoulder surgery. His massage was basically identical every time, going through my parts systematically and in the same order every time, which was great. When I started getting m4m massage, however, I've discontinued seeing masseurs--sometimes after quite a few visits--who had a routine, including erotic parts, that was unvarying over many sessions. (It's likely, and comments on this site a few times have confirmed it, that these masseurs used the same pattern with all clients). Although I want the massage portion to be high quality and thorough, the very best m4m massage, for me, evolve over time (all parts of it), as the masseur and I get to know each other. One of the thing that's freeing about private m4m massage is that a skilled masseur can mix the pieces of the experience in inventive ways. Erotic massage is like any sexual exchange: it's best when it's alive, fresh, and intrepid!

GayGamer, you're talking about massage, so this is the right forum. By RM, do you mean Rentmen or Rentmasseur? I'm a Premium client on Rentmasseur (is that what you mean by "pro-client"?). I don't let masseurs see me, so I wouldn't have the same concern about them finding. I wish you would post a review and also issue a warning here. I've wished that some of my brothers on this site would me more helpful than they sometimes are in giving information about their experiences that might be of concern to others, especially in otherwise positive reviews. I like the issue of what constitutes "erotic" massage. I've been meaning to start a thread--and I shall!

Om Omar's private pics include a blurry one of his erection, so I think it's pretty safe to assume he'll work in the nude. He started in a jockstrap with me. His pictures are accurate. Finally, his massage is extremely sensual/erotic, so I don't think HE is out of the question. His language of healing is authentic.

I'd be very careful with Danny, Rammi, and Rasllan. Red flags of all kind: changing names, pics others have used, no reviews, no attestations on this site that they're real. I've lumped them together in my mind (with a couple of others not currently advertising) as maybe having a common source. Omar is real, gives a great massage with erotic elements without an upcharge.

Troy's the only one I've seen, but I'd take a chance with all the rest. Troy is a super nice guy, not necessarily for someone who is primarily looking for a professional massage but a lot of fun on the sensual end if things.

Yeah, NYC is so full of resident and visiting treasures that I'll never get to see them all. LA ads look pretty amazing, though. How about these guys?: Bruno https://rentmasseur.com/BrunoBruno Troy (I can vouch for him) https://rentmasseur.com/TroyMest Veganman https://rentmasseur.com/VeganMan Hotmassagelover https://rentmasseur.com/HotMassageLover Asianmaster https://rentmasseur.com/Asian_Master Adammagichands https://rentmasseur.com/AdamMagicHands Latinomike https://rentmasseur.com/LatinoMike Orviccs https://rentmasseur.com/Orviccs Hermess https://rentmasseur.com/Hermess Ahmedboy https://rentmasseur.com/Ahmedboy Raphaesantiago (dreamy!) https://rentmasseur.com/RaphaelSantiago and so many more...

I appreciate your letting us know to ask, but if his prices vary, he should indicate it in his ad

I'm afraid the earlier sarcastic remarks redirected this thread to being one about specific experiences or masseurs we liked. I think the question is "What is it in general about m4m massage that we love?" I love getting to pick a man I'm attracted to and, usually, he's caressing my body and often more than that in a short span of time. That's a fucking miracle. What's been important to me about massage, however, is forcing myself to relax and be touched. I enjoy handling men's bodies and get such pleasure from feeling that I've satisfied them that it's hard for me to just lie there and let him work on--and maybe even sometimes enjoy--me. But it's healthy to surrender oneself physically to another person. And my experience with m4m (and even "legit") massage has been so positive. In amost every massage I've ever had, it's moved me how earnestly the masseur has either worked to heal my body, to make me come, or both. I can say it's generally more reliable, in this respect, than experiences with men who spent time with my body without getting paid. Thank God for men who give themselves to this work. I can never thank them enough. I think it will always be hard to resist going for some MT immediately, but I'm always glad when I'm patient and experience the unique pleasure of being attended to. Afterwards, there's usually plenty of time for that and more!

Yeah, I would put it more strongly: not offering erotic elements after including "erotic" as one of his massage types and pornographic pictures is false advertising, a type of fraud.

Maninsoma, thank you! Excellent advice. I'm working hard to be a good citizen of this community.

Monarchy, your comments take the crown!

My guess is that he only lists therapeutic to be discrete. Given my experience--and the price!--his massage is always erotic

Thank you for this thread. I posted a favoble comment about a masseur last week and then received a flood of questions about him in PMs. It was my first time for this happening, and all of a sudden I realized I wasn't comfortable with the kinds of questions I was getting: "Is he hung?" "Is he a top or bottom?", etc. I was a little torn because I understand PMing for more intimate information is an element of "citizenship" in this community, but the considerations in the comments above will be really useful going forward.

Can you share more?