Massageislife

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I saw him in the subway the other day! He looks just like his current pictures. The info about him on this site, however, is a whole forest of red flags!

Thanks!

What did he quote you for that?

Thanks for the research. You're good!

Going to him was a bit unusual for me, since I generally go for masseurs advertising erotic, but I wanted a good legit therapeutic massage, and his website looked professional. The massage, which lasted for over an hour was excellent. He's definitely trained.

He and CJ seem to have been dating and now not. When I reached out to CJ last year, he said he and "Anjrped," as he was calling himself then only massaged together. Anjrped replied the same thing. Beware of constant name changers!

Yes, there were

I guess a masseur's gender performance is something that some men on this site want to hear about and factor into their decision-making about who to hire, but gender (not sexual)--like race and age--preferences are so linked to (basically they originate from) such hateful forces in our history that I try not to air any that I might have on this site. We all understand (right?) that men who are looking for sensual/erotic massages from other men are considered by many--by that fact alone--"effete/effeminate"?

I know that I could have maybe have avoided the couple of frustrating experiences of the sort I had with Max if I had asked more questions; it's just not part of how I want to interact with masseurs I haven't met. I guess I will have to swallow a few bad experiences (unless my brothers on this site give me some better heads-ups!). I'm also with you on HE. The first time a masseur succeeded with one on me, I was surprised. I found a few since then that know (or care) what they're doing. Maybe because of this, I don't see HE as implicitly agreed to in an erotic massage, although a lot of us see HE as what differentiates a sensual from an erotic massage. I'm not sure how you're using the word, "sensual," in your post, but I do think some contact with my ass/asshole/dick, even just natural brushing against during the massage, is suggested by "erotic" (not by sensual). What is the difference between the two otherwise? I'm actually happy with the variety of experiences I've had, almost all of them with masseurs who advertised (by price, by photos, by text, and by rate) erotic massage. Those experiences, however, have ranged wildly, from (at the low end) a masseur who kept his underwear on and didn't offer HE but was very open to my touch and treated all of me (including my ass and dick) as parts of my body that would have some role in the massage to (at the high end) one who almost immediately turned the session into a sexual encounter. All of these experiences fall into the range of what I consider "erotic," and I don't have any complaints, even though sometimes (maybe there's no such thing as perfect satisfaction) there was more or less "erotic" elements than I wanted going in. They were still all great and memorable experiences! The "low end" I describe above, however, doesn't have anything to do with chemistry (even if the "higher" levels of eroticism do). If a masseur is not going to get naked or at least underwear, is going to avoid my private parts like the plague, and is going to disallow or tried to avoid MT, then he shouldn't be advertising erotic massage. It's not about reading my mind. I'm responding to what the masseur is saying will be involved in the massage. Non-scammy therapeutic masseurs advertise on masseurfinder only, don't post nude or shirtless photos, don't list "sensual/erotic" as one of their modalities, or don't charge the erotic rate. If a masseur really does offer different modalities at different rates, he should find a way to communicate this to the client. I don't care if a therapeutic masseur doesn't give me extras; in fact, comments on this site about hoping for free "extras" bugs me. Respect goes both ways! But I do care if I pay for advertised service, and I don't get it. I want the m4m massage experience to be, first of all legal (We're fucking adults, here!), but, while it's still got a semi-underground status, I want it to be--on both sides--as professional as possible.

Yeah, I feel like I've seen him discussed, but I can't find a thread. Here's his personal website: https://www.georgejamesspa.com/ I had a COMPLETE experience with George, starting with an excellent massage and moving on...

Speaking for myself, at the five year mark, it takes longer than five years!

Hey, Roger, you quote me, but I'm not sure all your comments are directed at me. Maybe they are? Anyway, I agree totally: given the (unjust) legal issues around m4m massage, I don't think it's good for the client or the masseur to discuss sexual matters in setting up an initial massage. That's why I never do it. I also agree that ads are not a sufficient way to assess whether a masseur is a good fit. That's why we're all on this site, right: to get additional information? I like the way you write a masseur, but that for me would still feel too suggestive (and I wouldn't expect or hope for HE, if I used the word "sensual" explicitly). I am still holding onto the idea, which has generally served me very well, that between the information I glean on this site about a masseur and the way he advertises himself (erotic is indicated by price ($150/60 currently), pictures (shirtless/nude), and text (ADVERTISING EROTIC)) it should be clear what is expected. We're professionals here! As for verbally asking for things during the massage (which I don't do) or coming across as needy or demanding, which I don't think I do, my point is exactly that: the purpose of the ad--which in the vast majority of my experiences have been accurate--is to indicate what a client can expect. One of the things I like about this site is that my brothers' actual experiences with specific masseurs add information (occasionally the kind that reveals the dishonesty of the ad) to what the masseurs are saying about themselves. On a larger level, I really value the discussion of what the ads themselves mean. There are lots of discussions on this site--all very valuable to me--about things like rates. People often write that an amount is too much for a therapeutic massage, and the top questions are almost always what elements are included in an erotic massage (since beyond nudity, some MT, and some dick/ass contact which should be (rightly) assumed as included, there is an endless range of things which cannot be expected but might occur). One of the chief ways I evaluate whether I will go to a masseur is his price. As I wrote above, I have recently gone to a masseur whose rate of $120/hr and whose ad (on masseurfinder only, with headshots only and without suggestive text) made me understand in advance that sensuality or eroticism would not be involved, and they weren't. I was satisifed and didn't push for or expect anything more. What I have been writing about are ads that falsely advertise erotic massage and, secondarily, about clients who seem to go to bat for masseurs, rather than simply add their positive impressions to the mix.

NYCTwinkbod, I appreciate your message. I feel like this thread has value for evaluating whether or not to try Max, but for the issues it raises more generally as well. For what it's worth, I told Max I found his ad on rentmasseur. He did not ask me which type of massage I wanted. He did not undress, touch my ass or dick, or allow mutual touch (I didn't really try, since his body language discouraged it). I paid him the full rate for 90 minutes and a good tip. I didn't write about him negatively on this site until a thread popped up presenting a very different view of him than I had. A number of people have, indeed, described great experiences with him. Others have had negative experiences or have thrown out red flags, even if they were happy with the experience overall (Jasonmathison describes confirming nudity in advance that Max did not follow up on; aiekaryoko describes finding out that there is an upcharge for erotic). I'm curious what type of massage you receive from Max and if there is an upcharge. A thread describing multiple people's experiences is the kind of "YMMV" discussion (to quote Redwine) that is valuable in this forum. A multiplicity of opinions and experiences really helps! What I'm saying shouldn't vary--and what I think we can support each other with--are our shared ideas of what we can expect from masseurs collectively or individually. To use Max (perhaps I should start a new thread, since this isn't about Max, really) as an example, I wish those who advocated for him would have disclosed that they, for example, asked for an erotic experience in advance and/or that he told them there was an upcharge for it. That would have helped me either make my experience with him better or avoid him. Information that flags good masseurs or warns us off of problematic ones is the central role of this site, right? The larger thing I value on this site is the discussion, which is not always direct, of how we understand advertising terms like "sensual" and "erotic," what it means when masseurs have shirtless or nude photos, the difference between advertising sites (mostly rentmasseur and masseurfinder), and what rates suggest about the services provided. I've learned a lot from my years of massage, and I would like to use that knowledge to help others navigate the m4m massage world more successfully than I sometimes have, especially as a beginner. As I always write, I don't feel comfortable (for myself or for them) being upfront about the details of what I expect from an erotic experience before I meet a masseur for the first time. I have almost always been successful in getting a basic erotic experience (both of us nude, basic organic mutual touch, some genital/anal contact) by identifying the fundamental markers in an ad (a price of $150/60 currently, shirtless or nude shots, and, of course, ADVERTISING EROTIC). If an ad has those things, the masseur is promising "more" than a massage; it's not that I feel they "owe" it to me. It's why I'm shocked by an experience like I had with Max, which was only therapeutic. I agree totally that a blowjob, in either direction, cannot be expected as basic erotic massage service, but more basic erotic things, like those I list above, don't have anything to do with chemistry. And it's simply false advertising to expect a customer to ask the different prices of listed services when a single price--one that is generally the price of an erotic massage--is listed. I'll end with my massage experience from last night. I went for the second time and received an outstanding massage again from George (https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/38637/). As his only ad is on masseurfinder, there are no topless photos of him, of course. He also does not use suggestive language in the text of his ad. Finally, his rate of $120/hr clearly communicates that it will be a therapeutic only massage. Now, I basically never go for therapeutic m4m massage (That's what legit spas are for) because I like a therapeutic and erotic mix, but I really needed a legit massage and he was so cute--and he IS so cute--that I went for it last month. Because I was nude and he is sexy as fuck, I experienced the massage as extremely sensual, but he wasn't nude, my hands had almost no contact with him, and he didn't touch my dick or my asshole. I didn't expect or try anything more because of the way he marketed himself. I would love to see him open up his services, but I'm never going to push it. He's been clear in the all the ways that I think he needs to be. I don't have unreasonable expectations from masseurs, and I'm not frustrated by high rates for therapeutic massage. I only dislike being scammed by masseurs advertising for erotic services and not following through.

I couldn't either. Wow, he's cute!

Hey, Axiom, I think I confused this thread. That comment was about this guy: https://rent.men/Hhermess

That's him, but don't let me discourage you. There's a lot of comments on him on this site, if you can track down his former names.

Gman, Sorry for not reading more carefully. Yeah, that guy is sexy beyond words, but the talk about him on this site is pretty bad.

Harry, one of the purposes of this site is for us, as a community, to give heads-ups to each other about our positive and negative experiences with masseurs. We do that for each other. Your comment "If you did not have a good session with Max, it is your problem" is woefully out of line with this sensibility. I feel for guys on this site who have been taken advantage of or treated shabbily by a masseur, and I participate in these discussions to do my part to reduce the incidence of such experiences. As for my crack about "paid reviews," here are the "facts" that I was responding to: 1) 3 of the 6 reviews of Max on rentmasseur were written by you. Before I discovered this site, I depended on such reviews. I didn't notice that, in a few cases, many of the reviews were from a single poster, the purpose of which can only be to recruit customers for a masseur. It's likely that the masseur himself or a friend might be the source of such reviews. It is in fact the case that I looked at Max's reviews on rentmasseur before I booked him and didn't notice that half of them were from you. I had also reviewed the comments about Max on this site before I booked him, and although there were some red flags (including your own warning that Max might come across as cold, which he did), there were many positive comments, so I booked. Only after I later saw a thread praising Max did I decide to put in my two cents. At that point, it all came out in your and my exchange, which was collegial, that you had not only written half of Max's rentmasseur reviews but many of the positive comments on threads about him (n.b. the day after our exchange, a seventh, one-line 5-star review showed up on rentmasseur from "MartinMax"). I don't think multiple postings of favorable reviews is a proper use of this site or the review function on massage sites. I don't know why someone would do that except to act as an advocate for a masseur. If you meant otherwise, Harry, I wish you would consider this in the future. One rave review should be enough to let people know that you had a good experience with a masseur. I don't know your relationship to Max (look, this site is anonymous, so it's possible you ARE him; maybe I am?), but it's beside the point. We should add our individual experience with a masseur to the mix, positive and negative, and let our brothers here sort it out to make more informed decisions based on the whole of what is said. 2) My sentences, which you quote (and it's disingenuous to make a point quoting selectively as you have done), are an immediate response to EVdude's own response to your comment about Max. You quoted your own rentmasseur review of Max, and EVdude responded "you should go into business writing reviews for masseurs. Your description of Max reads almost like poetry! You sold me." In response, you replied, "I like your idea... I would get a free session from each masseur on masseur finder and rentmasseur and provide a thoughtful review." It's all on this thread. The context of my remark therefore was your own joking about getting free massages for posting positive reviews. Best, Massage is life

https://rentmen.eu/CjBlake

What an interesting thread! The focus of my sexuality has moved through pick-ups and relationships for the first years of my out life to the highly erotic club scene and "circuit" to strip clubs and now to m4m massage (porn has always had some role in my sex life). I haven't really moved on to escorts yet, but I hope to explore that experience someday. Each stage has been deeply rewarding but also complicated. I'm pretty Freudian about this: after the liquid perfection of life in the womb, humans are on a search for a return to that complete, safe, satisfying experience of merging with another person. It's not fully achievable, of course (my mother wouldn't have it! (plus I've grown a bit)), but all those different phases gave me intense moments of connection with another man and of blissful release from the "vale of sorrows" of ours. All of these phases had their expenses--love DEFINITELY ain't free--so I have to use the same economic calculations about massage that I used in my other sexual pursuits. And even the emotional dimensions: it's easy to say that transactional sexual encounters like with strippers, escorts, or erotic masseurs aren't "real," but tricks and even boyfriends/husbands aren't simple emotionally either. We should all attend to our purses and our hearts. The bottom line for me is that life is not easy; there is no solution to horniness or loneliness; rich emotional and sexual experiences are to be found in all kinds of places and all kinds of conditions. Right now for me "massage is life."

Thanks for coming back to this thread, Jason. So Max won't follow through sometimes, even when you've confirmed in advance. Please Max fanatics, consider what other people are writing about this guy when you advocate for him.

And payed for.

On rentmen: https://rentmen.eu/CjBlake

No one is going to make that bet. We all know there are scammers everywhere (Hello, Mr. President!). I value, really value this site for many reasons, and one of them is to hear about who might be a scammer.