Massageislife

Yeah, one of my commitments to m4m the massage process is to treat it like the legitimate profession it is but isn't always regarded so. The appointment itself should suffice. I've confirmed with a few guys that I worried about, but even then I felt like I was condoning flaky behavior.

I agree with the principle, but I'm a lot more frustrated by ads for erotic that only end up being therapeutic. That's what a legit spa is for!

On rentmasseur: https://rentmasseur.com/Nickolas

Dutchal, I appreciate your responding to me. Part of me wants to hear the details of your session, but I'm afraid it will also rub it in what he didn't do for me. I believe that Harry and you--and I'm sure others--had a good experience with Max. I really only wrote because Harry's participation in discussions of Max verge on advocacy. I don't think that's what we're here for. I'm glad that when I say something glowing about a masseur, people weigh in with differing opinions. The last thing I want to do is tip someone into choosing a masseur based on what might be my anomalously positive experience with him. I do feel, however, that masseurs who advertise erotic massage, post nude/almost nude photos, and charge "erotic rates" shouldn't require clients to ask for erotic elements. I know a lot of us on this site do make clear in advance exactly what we're looking for, but I don't like to make someone I haven't met agree to specific things that, once we meet, he (or I) might not actually want to do. All I wanted was for John to be naked (or at least in underwear, although that does not fit my idea of erotic massage), to naturally touch my ass and penis (not necessarily do anything more than that (although that's usually welcome!)), and to allow a natural degree of MT (although more, again, is always welcome there too!). My experience with him--and I just want to put it alongside the positive ones, not dissuade anyone from seeing him--makes me think of a can of tomatoes that has a picture of lasagna on the can. You're not necessarily getting lasagna, and if you do, you'll have to put in a lot of work! At least the label on the tomatoes says "serving suggestion" in small print!

Didn't listen to my peers and paid the price. Marco is a nice guy, and it was nice feeling his hands sliding over me, but the massage was not of the professional level that I like, especially for the price. His body so little resembled the pictures that, given the limited view of his face in them, I honestly couldn't say they were of him. I don't think they are. His ad is headed, in bold, "Super Erotic Massage done in the nude." This is, unfortunately, false advertising. He started and remained, for what I could tell (since he kept everything except his hands away from me until I turned over), fully clothed for most of the massage. At some point, he took off his shorts and shirt, but never his underwear. He provided HE, but that is the part of erotic massage that least interests me. Really disappointing

I hate to weigh in again negatively on Max, but I feel like I have to when I read Harryinny's MANY rave reviews (3 of the 6 reviews on rentmasseur). They do, indeed, sound like paid reviews. The bulk of comments on Max, by my count, are not positive, and I understand why. His rentmasseur ad advertises sensual and erotic massage, including sexy pictures in a speedo or underwear, and charging what's generally considered an erotic rate (Now $200 on rentmasseur!). Except for him removing his shirt, however, the massage had no more sensuality than a legit spa massage. He didn't come anywhere near my asscrack or penis and kept everything except his hands as far away from me as possible. I regard this situation as false advertising, putting the client in the position of having to beg for services that were advertised. As I wrote before, I felt leaving disliked. A big part of this is what I experienced resulted from Max's remoteness which extended to the point of strangeness. Harry's reviews seem to acknowledge this (on rentmasseur: "some may confuse his timidity with coldness"). Let's all try to add our experience to the mix, not act as a boosters and apologists for our favorites.

Yeah, that's the one thing I recalled. Has he held his (very cute) looks?

I remember reading a detailed thread on this guy, but I can't find it: https://rentmasseur.com/AmazingMassage

I was catfished by "Nick" (https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/38458/) who was using these photos under the name "Hotjay." There's a thread on this. The Hotjay ad disappeared for a while and has reappeared now as Jaysonn (Son of Hotjay!). I texted him saying that I had met Nick thinking I would be meeting the guy in the pictures. I told him that I enjoyed my massage with Nick, but I would like to meet him, if he were actually the guy in the pictures. He did not reply. Recommendation: avoid!

https://rent.men/MigueLlo

Bump

There's discreet ways to get that info. And please share the link to his page!

About a year ago I decided against seeing CJ for a massage because he said he was only doing 4-handed, which I don't like with his, I guess, then boyfriend, this West Coast frequent name-changer: https://rentmasseur.com/Mmike

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d6048c5e4b02cc97c8d70f2

https://rentmasseur.com/gay-massage/philadelphia/

Roger, yeah, I guess that's the central discussion point here: the moment of penetration. The OP says the masseur didn't ask to penetrate him, and the OP was surprised when he did. The OP says the masseur was on top of him, with his penis brushing his ass. It seems that most of us think that the masseur should have explicitly asked, but the question is whether in the context of an erotic massage, when the masseur has climbed on top and is brushing his penis against an ass, implied consent could have reasonably--not necessarily correctly--have been inferred by the masseur, i.e., whether there was communication of a non-verbal sort (asking for an erotic massage (which is verbal), welcoming or at least accepting the masseur climbing on top, not commenting when the penis was brushing against the ass) . I understand differing answers to the question, especially the view that it's problematic what the masseur did. The other aspect of the question that is complicated is whether one's judgement of the non-verbally consensual moment of penetration applies past that moment to what the OP suggests was fucking until orgasm. I don't consider someone sticking their dick in my ass without verbal permission as "engaging in sex." Unless it's desired despite the lack of verbal permission, it's either sexual assault or an egregiously misreading of the situation by the penetrator. Allowing the penetration to continue into fucking until orgasm, however--unless there is some kind of coercion involved (which the OP does not describe)--might be properly described as "engaging in sex." The best comments in this thread ask us to consider what we're expecting from "massage," what we learn about our sexuality in sexual interactions with masseurs, and what boundaries we respect, even as we are demanding that our own be respected.

But better!

I understand, but my point is that someone who knowingly engages in unsafe sex shouldn't be running to the law if they become infected. It's a time for self-reflection and change

Yeah, but putting it anywhere rubs me the wrong way. It evokes the old "not fat, no femmes" self-hatred of our sexual community. I'm sure all masseurs/escorts have personal sexual preferences, but there are better ways to handle them

Roger, I'm glad you added this to the discussion. The--utterly unjust--criminalization of prostitution is another factor that differentiates erotic m4m massage from other types of sexual encounters. The client and even more the masseur are in legal jeopardy for being together at all. It means all parties have different and serious responsibilities to consider. It really was the high-minded "burn the witch" posts about exposing or even reporting to the police the masseur described in the original post. I agree that the police would probably reject--for anti-sex work and homophobic reasons--any plea by the client in the original post for legal redress, but I think, given the initial description of the post, that the client would have been out of line to go to the police anyway. For what it's worth, I'm not sure that a "delayed negative health reaction" would make any difference in the police's reaction, but if it did, that would also be wrong. A person who has unprotected sex (not a dick slipped in and then withdrawn immediately when the person objects (which is raises the difficult question of consent discussed in this thread, but not what is described in the initial post)) has to examine why they did it--I have had to ask myself such questions--not run to the police.

Been looking at him for a while. I like it that he's added dick shots to his portfolio. I would too, if I were him!

Thanks! He's as cute as they come, but I can't get over the "I'm not into feminine guys." There's honesty there, I guess, but it's such a gross prejudice to announce on a gay escort site!

Glad to see the "Robbie Madson" part of this expose too. Both always seemed like scammers. If I ever needed a reminder to avoid self-described straight erotic masseurs (and I didn't), this is it. Thanks for the research!

Tom, I addressed Deadlift's use of the term, SJW, because using slurs in serious conversations tends to end them, rather than move them forward. You appear to be trying that now by throwing the term at me. I'm sorry that you don't like the grandiosity of my rhetoric, but you have no idea of my level of "real" activism. My bottom line on this is that a progressive activist, armchair or not, calling out my use of a gendered pronoun (or whatever it is that you think social justice warriors--and thank God for people whose fight is for social justice--do) is hardly my concern, particularly in this very scary current political environment. In fact, being called out has many times made meore thoughtful in how I act and speak. Your passionate attack on "SJWs" recalls for me our gay mayor Pete just last night, calling out Trump for trying to fool people into thinking that "political correctness" is their biggest enemy. It is not their enemy at all

I was around then too, and our elders often frowned on our protest styles. That seems to be the way generations of activists relate to each other. No social justice group--or individual activist-- is perfect, but in this time of incipient fascism, it's important to identity who our real enemies are, and they're not Me Too, Black Lives Matter, or queer activists, which are the kinds of groups that term is thrown at.