AJ Doyle

So it sound like this guy is real. I put him in the category of criminals, for sure, stealing services and not paying for them is what criminals do, not normal people.
 
It is a guess, but I am pretty sure he can’t afford it at all, but just wants the sex anyway.
If he hadn’t found this method, he might be raping to get the sex he apparently so desperately needs.
 
If an escort attached him to the bed (instead of beating him up) and called the California police, how would they react? No need to mention sex of course, just the agreed hours of companionship and the missing compensation for it.

OMFG!!! The client that did the same thing to me was visiting Los Angeles from San Francisco!!!!! Holy Batman!! He wrote the check from some brokerage acct that had been closed. And I think he was using a burner phone. It started out as a 2 hour session and half way he asked for an overnight. I told him my fee and he agreed to it. Then next day wrote me a check. I should have just told him to keep it and asked for him to just pay my damn parking and gas!! I wonder if the guy that did this to me is the same guy though? He claimed he was checking out apartments in LA cause he had some bad things happen to him in San Francisco.... He was annoying as Hell which made the bad check even worse. Kept telling me he "loved me!" Because of him though I always add "Paypal or cash only" whenever I send potential clients my rates. For me it didnt escalate. I was pretty sure the check was going to bounce, but I just wanted to get away from him and go home. The phone he was using btw was an Iphone SE...the cheapest Iphone you can get!!

I think I had this guy back in January in Los Angeles!! He kept saying "he loved me" an showed his love the next day with a bad check for $1k I remember texting him after it bounced and telling him he was gonna do that to the wrong person someday. Sounds like I was right. Even though the guy is a prick it's still sad to hear about him getting beat up like that. Violence is not cool. Even for pricks. I think a better option when the escort realized who he was...would have been to tie the guy to the bed...and offer to untie him only when he produced his payment. Or maybe just make him apologize. Violence is not cool. But embarrassing a prick would be a good alternative. I don't know if I'd have the balls to even do that though....

OMFG!!! The client that did the same thing to me was visiting Los Angeles from San Francisco!!!!! Holy Batman!! He wrote the check from some brokerage acct that had been closed. And I think he was using a burner phone. It started out as a 2 hour session and half way he asked for an overnight. I told him my fee and he agreed to it. Then next day wrote me a check. I should have just told him to keep it and asked for him to just pay my damn parking and gas!! I wonder if the guy that did this to me is the same guy though? He claimed he was checking out apartments in LA cause he had some bad things happen to him in San Francisco.... He was annoying as Hell which made the bad check even worse. Kept telling me he "loved me!" Because of him though I always add "Paypal or cash only" whenever I send potential clients my rates. For me it didnt escalate. I was pretty sure the check was going to bounce, but I just wanted to get away from him and go home. The phone he was using btw was an Iphone SE...the cheapest Iphone you can get!!

Whaaat!!!? Did the client in question keep saying "I love you baby" to the escort!? Cause that's what mine kept saying all night...before he wrote me the bad check. I don't think it's cool though to beat up someone for not paying you or writing a bad check. However when this client did this to me I was kinda thinking...Dude ...he is gonna do that to the WRONG escort some day!!!? I hope it wasn't my guy that that happened to... It was a shitty thing to do (writing a bad check), but I would hate to see anyone get beat up like that! :-(

I do sometimes wonder if others are wondering that about me.... LOL I don't think anyone would guess that about me, but I wonder.

Thanks for all the info. Right now it looks like I'm going to try and set something up with Mario Muscle and LucasTalloneXXX...then take ones for the team from there....wish me luck!

I've met Mario Muscle. Fun guy. Gets very into the session. I gave him his first review on Daddy's.
 
I seem to recall ROMIO, who went by another name when he started out, got a bit of negative press on the forum. I could be remembering that wrong.
 
LatinEscort has two reviews on Daddy's. One positive and the other semi-positive.
http://www.daddysreviews.com/search/All/Felix/felix_palmsprings
 
I don't know if he's your type, but have you looked into Draven Navarro. He has a very positive review on Daddy's by @Funcompany. I haven't met him. However, he seemed nice and super eager in our communications.
https://rent.men/DravenNavarroXXX
 
And then there is this guy, who I have no info on... but lists as a #musclebottom.
https://rent.men/IvanMuscleBoy
 
Anyway, I hope you find a good one to suit your needs.

>>The escort flipped out and beat his ass bad. Broke several teeth on his fist/against a wall...
 
Not sure that is the smartest response. Were the police called? A bad check is one thing, assault is another.

Wow! It is so sad that a client would treat an escort so poorly. I treat all my guys like gold and the best ones like platinum. I can't imagine what kind of scum would do such a thing to a provider.

There is a guy in SF that gives people bad checks after a session--after saying he'll use cash or card. He often involves security and sometimes calls the police. He has done this to dozens of people and many people I know. He uses burner phones, alternate yet accurate stats, and has several locations (he claims are airBnB) to host. Most of these details have been posted on Twitter. I make a lot of notes and save this sort of information. I've several numbers, descriptions, addresses, and names for him. I have a copy of a bad check and a video of him screaming "security". He's tried to hire me several times. I've politely declined.
 
I'm NOT condoning every instance where Mocha has posted people's info. But when a client flakes on a scheduled session with a no call/no show or writes a bad check, I assume he does it to others and will do it again. To me this is no different than stealing. In my opinion, these clients forfeit there right to discretion and their "personal" info should be shared.
 
Last month, the bad check client hired an escort that realized who he was before the end of the session. The escort flipped out and beat his ass bad. Broke several teeth on his fist/against a wall...
 
The escort had only heard about the bad check guy. He hadn't seen his varying info sporadically posted online. He didn't know what I knew. Had there been a more efficient website or service dedicated to posting this guy's "personal" info, many escorts wouldn't have been ripped off and the client could have saved himself a trip to the hospital.

What I’m trying to explain to you is, I’ve not once had an ISSUE based off the posts I’ve made. I’m not posting any personal information about anyone, they are simply screenshots. The same shit people do of their Grindr messages. You don’t seem to comprehend that at all, even after repeatedly informing YOU of THAT fact..

Your reply gives me hope that you're learning how to manage people and how you respond to them. That's a good thing.
 
I think many of us have our own ways of keeping track of those who waste time, outright lie, attempt to setup imaginary appointments, etc. Whether it's logging IPs or, if the circumstance demands, more invasive background checks, it's tough for most people to not leave an electronic trail when they fool around online.

THANKYOU! Gawd Thankyou!
 
I can only say so much now as I’m trying to make it to a session, but I’m glad someone has some sense around here.
 
People are getting so knotted up, yet they ignore that there’s an entire section called the DELI that I dare say....Quasi REVIEWS/GOSSIPS about escorts who many times, probably haven’t a clue. Atleast I notify my bad boys they’re going on the list and give them opportunity to amend.
 
I’m sure clients don’t go, “hey [uSER=12155]@Dominiking[/uSER], I Posted a thread in the Deli about you, on a forum that is frequented by thousands of people. I just wanted to ask them about you, behind your back...instead of asking you directly. hope you don’t mind.”
 
So all the huffing and puffing they’re doing on here about me posting on Twitter, is very hypocritical. I removed the link because I’m not going to be bullied, belittled and tattle telled into removing something or have something criticized by people who aren’t paying my bills nor expenses and not helping me get them paid either.

Agreed. I feel like @KCRob's statement could/should be a whole thread of its own to call this behavior out.
 
I'm the OP of this thread, and I agree with providers having a list that they can put clients on but publicly sharing someone's phone number because they didn't set an appointment or keep an appointment is a real piece of shit move. If the person stole from you, was violent towards you, or threatened you in some way- I get it. Green light. Destroy them. But just because they are rude, or flaky, or disorganized, or their life suddenly changed is really unconscionable and is likely to land Mocha aka Jarrod Brandon aka Joey Bryant in some trouble of some kind somewhere along the way.

I am not condoning that the escort who is being referenced should have resorted to violence, nor am i condoning the behavior of this alleged habitual scammer client, but i took, IronMaus' comment more to mean that the Escort was aware of the existence of "a particluar habitual bad check guy", and to be on alert, but did not know the extent of how much he frequently changed and tried to disguise his past identities and therefore inferred that if there was a more robust system in place for escorts to "compare notes" as an example the whole unfortunate episode could've been potentially avoided.
 
Again I'm not condoning the violence and maybe perhaps this provider should absolutely be avoided due to anger management issues and impulsive violent streaks, but it might be unfair to suggest that he "assaulted someone on a whim" in your response when you leave out the fuller context and the beginning of the comment which started as... "There is a guy in SF that gives people bad checks after a session--after saying he'll use cash or card. He often involves security and sometimes calls the police. He has done this to dozens of people and many people I know. He uses burner phones, alternate yet accurate stats, and has several locations (he claims are airBnB) to host. Most of these details have been posted on Twitter. I make a lot of notes and save this sort of information. I've several numbers, descriptions, addresses, and names for him. I have a copy of a bad check and a video of him screaming "security". He's tried to hire me several times. I've politely declined."

Who knows maybe the missing piece of info was sometime during the session the client commented that he would write him a check when they were finished despite telling him beforehand he'd pay in cash as was prefaced as the guy's scam and it dawned on the provider mid way, that "oh shit", maybe this is the notorious "bad check guy" and he confronted him? Total speculation on my part which i admit, but play the rest out logically. If it is indeed the scammer he prolly doesn't have any cash and says to provider something to the effect of, what are you gonna do? Sue me? Call the cops?
 
But you're correct if there are providers who are beating up clients whimsically we OBVIOUSLY should be all aware of who they are just as providers should know of clients who go to elaborate and great lengths to constantly scam them and then play the victim and uses security and police to further the scam knowing the provider is more vulnerable and not likely to assert their rights.

I sometimes like to sit in hotel lobbies and guess which visitors are "working boys" . Usually easier to sort out the "working girls" but had a few fun times guessing which boys are there for an hourly appointment.

I’m always into a romantic BFE and I’ve found that seeing a guy approaching from across the lobby adds to that experience. Kissing in an empty elevator is good too. All nice introductions to the main event in the room.

I wonder if there will be a trend to do away with the gender-specific masseur/masseuse terms, just as there was a while ago to get rid of waiter/waitress? Massage does seem like an area where the gender of the person would matter more, as opposed to the gender of the person bringing your food. Those who patronize Hooters may disagree.
 
Speaking of which, I stopped into a new "Twin Peaks" restaurant. I went in & sat at the bar, thinking moody, dark, like the TV show - nope, the "Twin Peaks" referred to something else. I made my apologies and left.

I am fine going straight to the room or meeting in the lobby. Or meeting in the bar to have a drink beforehand is cool too (as long as the time start with the bar meeting). It's more personal to meet in lobby or hotel bar though and get to know each other a little before you get to the room. I have a regular that to this day still meets me in the lobby. And I really love it.

I advertise as Vers Top cause I find if I put Vers then Bottom clients will assume I'm lying and really just a bttm. Which is false. Most clients that hire are bottoms. So it would be bad for business for me to let them assume that. In general there are just more gay bottoms and that translates into client world. So for me it means I'm a really good Top...so hire me bottoms...but if you are a Top...and want me to bttm...then yes...YES I do go that way as well!!! That being said markets are different. Like I've noticed Vegas has more Top Clients than Los Angeles or Orange County does. So when I go to Vegas I switch it to Vers...and leave a happy happy Guy! lol So yes I get your reaction but understand for us if we put Vers...then bottoms will never hire us and bottoms are most of our client base...well at least for me... So I'd be broke if I put that.

I once had a guy wait till next morning after an over-night to tell me he had no cash. No paypal. Only a check. Took the check as what other option do I have at this point? Of course the check was written from a closed acct. I wish there was a bad date list to put him! :-( I decided to chalk it up as cost of doing business though. Like when someone steals from a clothing store and the store has to eat the cost.... The "forgot the money in the car" though that's even more messed up. Other than the check writing fool though I've been pretty lucky I guess.

I was reading a news story that one of the fucked up parts of FOSTA is that a resource sexworkers were using would be taken away. Apparently the bad date list helped them keep in touch about clients the shouldn't take based on bad behaviors like non-payment or even violence. Just wondered if something like that exists for the M4M sexworker community?
 
Relatedly, I also heard from a local provider about a client who "forgot the money in the car" and then just drove off. How would he get the word out about something like that?

I always post "Close to traveling" for areas under 50 miles from me. But if I'm gonna travel further and get a hotel I post dates I am traveling. I also announce in my ad that I am taking pre-bookings. I explain I don't want to be on my phone the whole time I'm there, so please pre-book. If the person messages and books with you after a few questions you can be pretty sure they are for real. If they ask to book you, but can't give a date and time...don't take that as a for sure booking. I write them down on a post it note as someone that might come thru. Also if a client seems like they are just trying to have free phone or text sex with you...they probably aren't serious about booking Another post it note. Most clients that book ask a few questions...settle on a date and time...and then disappear until the day of. You send out a confirmation...they respond. You meet. Fun ensues. If they want an all day or Overnight take a Paypal Deposit to hold the date. Those are my favorite cause I'm like okay this is For REal Happening!!

That's wouldn't be unfair in my neighborhood, given that the local spas, whose therapists won't do stomach or buttocks, charge that much or more.