Vers/Top

[JamesMorris]

can you please tell me the exact definition of versatile/top

I was under the impression that it means bottom too but I contacted a guy that advertised that and he told me he is all top

Thanks

[biggerbilly]

can you please tell me the exact definition of versatile/top

I was under the impression that it means bottom too but I contacted a guy that advertised that and he told me he is all top

Thanks

It means, “I want to have more people click on my profile”

 

As a top, I just avoid them. I don’t care if I’m missing out. You’re either versatile or you’re not.

[+ StLouisOct]

can you please tell me the exact definition of versatile/top

I was under the impression that it means bottom too but I contacted a guy that advertised that and he told me he is all top

Thanks

I’ve read in a couple of descriptions that the top is willing to bottom but only if he concludes that he’s comfortable doing so or “feels a connection.” I’ve always elected not to spend $ to see if that magical connection might be reached.

Edited May 29, 2018 by StLouisOct

[JamesMorris]

It means, “I want to have more people click on my profile”

 

As a top, I just avoid them. I don’t care if I’m missing out. You’re either versatile or you’re not.

That’s false advertisement lmao

[JamesMorris]

I’ve read in a couple of descriptions that the top is willing to bottom but only if he concludes that he’s comfortable doing so or “feels a connection.” I’ve always elected not to spend $ to see if that magical connection might be estta.

I totally agree, thanks

[Muscle Lover 2]

Enlightening. I've always assumed it means, I'm versatile but prefer to top. So, wiser ones, what does versatile bottom mean then?

[+ OliverSaks]

Maybe he prefers topping to bottoming about 2:1 - nothing deceptive about advertising as a vers top, imho

Enlightening. I've always assumed it means, I'm versatile but prefer to top. So, wiser ones, what does versatile bottom mean then?

I tend to think the way you do.

I understand that some guys probably use it to cast a wider net to potential clients, in a deceptive sort of way if they won’t actually bottom, but I don’t think everyone uses it so cynically.

[LivingnLA]

Thanks for the thread. I've wondered about Vers/Top and Vers/Btm for awhile. I figured it was just marketing that might actually only happen once in a very rare situation.

Edited May 29, 2018 by LivingnLA

[biggerbilly]

Enlightening. I've always assumed it means, I'm versatile but prefer to top. So, wiser ones, what does versatile bottom mean then?

When I first started I thought verse top meant the same thing because it made the most sense. But, after several contacts that isn’t the case at all.

1. Some guys are strike tops, who either want more clients, or just like pissing people off.
   
2. Some are tops only, but will bottom for you if you pay a lot more than their asking rate. (These guys also tend to have already high rates)
   
3. Some are tops when it comes to anal, verse when it comes to oral.
   
4. Some are what you’ve said, but sadly they are not as many as you think. Plus, because these guys rarely do bottom, I find they’re not the best at it.
   
5. Some are verse guys who know that there are more bottoms hiring then tops (sorry but I’m not swimming through 1-4 to find you)
   
6. Very rarely, a bottom who really needs some more business.
   

When we’re talking about bottom verse, I cannot go as far with my list as I never hired one who didn’t bottom, lol. But in my personal life, I’ve found most bottom verse guys either wanted their dicks sucked too, or were very into rimming too. It always tended to do more with oral than anal.

Edited May 29, 2018 by biggerbilly

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

We're acting as if there are these firm rules in place on any of this. Haven't we learned by now that everything is gray area?

 

As with any communication, just ask the guy what he's into, tell him what you're into and see if you can't rub two sticks together to make fire.

 

If his version of things are different than yours, no harm-no foul. At least you know beforehand.

[big-n-tall]

Another frequently brought up topic...

 

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/versatile-tops-defined.128880/#post-1369910

[biggerbilly]

The best escorting site to me, is of course the one I cannot really use. www.sleepyboy.com just list as much as possible and there’s no question what you’ll get in hiring a vers/top. But I’m not in the UK. I think you either go this way, or just give 6 options: Top, verse, bottom, oral only, muscle worship only, and no intercourses. Anything else can be clarified in the profile.

[Kris Parkes]

Verse Top, means he is mostly top, but will take dik in the butt. I am TOTAL TOP, which means under no circumstance will I take it in the butt!

[+ ButchAtl]

Maybe its just best to let the escort know what you're into and see if its a match.

[muscmtl]

rm get rid of all these halfass categories and only use: top bottom versatile

[KazBrawley]

I haven't posted an ad in a bit but I tend to list myself vers/top when I do when the option exists... though reading these responses I'm kind of rethinking that for next time.

 

I use it because I am versatile (the sort that will top, bottom, or happily switch it up mid session) but if I put "versatile" guys tend to assume that I'm really a bottom despite the fact I really enjoy topping. I'm sure some of it is because I'm IS/trans so it's a bit to counter the passive rather submissive bottom assumption that a lot of clients seem to have of trans guys, and less so of intersex guys for those with that level of awareness that we even exist. However, those stereotypes-- while I certainly know folks who fit them-- are not me and if that's what guys expect because so-and-so was like that or so-and-so said trans guys were like that because he dated one once, they're going to be disappointed. I probably would never ever top without explicitly mentioning that I top and since I'm actually versatile always bottoming all the time is not my thing-- much like never bottoming isn't, either.

 

However, the idea that it comes across as equivocal to some guys gives me some pause about listing myself as a versatile top.

[biggerbilly]

@KazBrawley, I say put yourself as Versatile, and clarify in the body of your profile you’re into doing both equally.

 

I think there should be an alliance between Escorts and Clients. Escorts should be honest in their profiles about what they are actually willing to do, and any caveats to be known. Clients should read Escorts profiles as written and not read into what is not there, are try to persuade variations! Wouldn’t that make things better?

[AJ Doyle]

It means, “I want to have more people click on my profile”

 

As a top, I just avoid them. I don’t care if I’m missing out. You’re either versatile or you’re not.

I advertise as Vers Top cause I find if I put Vers then Bottom clients will assume I'm lying and really just a bttm. Which is false. Most clients that hire are bottoms. So it would be bad for business for me to let them assume that. In general there are just more gay bottoms and that translates into client world. So for me it means I'm a really good Top...so hire me bottoms...but if you are a Top...and want me to bttm...then yes...YES I do go that way as well!!! That being said markets are different. Like I've noticed Vegas has more Top Clients than Los Angeles or Orange County does. So when I go to Vegas I switch it to Vers...and leave a happy happy Guy! lol So yes I get your reaction but understand for us if we put Vers...then bottoms will never hire us and bottoms are most of our client base...well at least for me... So I'd be broke if I put that.

Edited June 2, 2018 by AJ Doyle

[biggerbilly]

I advertise as Vers Top cause I find if I put Vers then Bottom clients will assume I'm lying and really just a bttm. Which is false. Most clients that hire are bottoms. So it would be bad for business for me to let them assume that. In general there are just more gay bottoms and that translates into client world. So for me it means I'm a really good Top...so hire me bottoms...but if you are a Top...and want me to bttm...then yes...YES I do go that way as well!!! That being said markets are different. Like I've noticed Vegas has more Top Clients than Los Angeles or Orange County does. So when I go to Vegas I switch it to Vers...and leave a happy happy Guy! lol So yes I get your reaction but understand for us if we put Vers...then bottoms will never hire us and bottoms are most of our client base...well at least for me... So I'd be broke if I put that.

I see why you do it. But before getting to you, I ask one verse top, and he said, “no I only top.” I asked another, and he said, “ yeah if you pay me double.” And I get the same responses over and over again, so by the time I came to you, I stopped asking. And I’m not lying, those were constant replies.

 

You said it’s more important to maintain bottom clients. Fare enough. But by the vary nature of that response, tells me that my business is not as important anyway.

[img2ciya]

When I'm looking for someone to bottom for me, I tend to stick to guys advertising as "bottom" or possibly "vers/bottom". I've had trouble with guys who advertise as versatile and say they can and will bottom for me but then the truth comes out that they are more top than anything else. If I do meet someone who is versatile, I try to be even clearer about my expectations. And I would NEVER hire a vers/top!

[FTM Zachary Prince]

I advertise as vers/top, and it’s pretty much to signal that while my pussy IS on the table, my primary mode is as a top, I’m most talented as a top, and I prefer topping to bottoming given the choice. Simply listing as versatile might yield the impression that I’m equally into topping and bottoming, which is simply not accurate.

 

I totally agree with the earlier comments that many bottom clients assume guys advertising as “versatile” are really bottoms. Seeing the word “top” in the description is helpful. And I DOUBLE agree that cis guy clients tend to assume that trans guys are all bottoms, so it’s even MORE important for trans guys who top to emphasise that we do in fact, top. Hence Vers/Top is much more useful as a descriptor for many of us than simply saying Vers.

 

Maybe this is obvious to everyone, but in my mind:

 

Total Top: only tops

Vers/Top: prefers to top; will bottom in the right circumstance (perhaps upon request, perhaps having to do with dick size or mood)

Vers: offers topping and bottoming with roughly equal enthusiasm

Vers/Bottom: prefers to bottom; will top upon request

Total Bottom: only bottoms

[+ OliverSaks]

Maybe this is obvious to everyone, but in my mind:

 

Total Top: only tops

Vers/Top: prefers to top; will bottom in the right circumstance (perhaps upon request, perhaps having to do with dick size or mood)

Vers: offers topping and bottoming with roughly equal enthusiasm

Vers/Bottom: prefers to bottom; will top upon request

Total Bottom: only bottoms

Snaps. +1

[mike carey]

You said it’s more important to maintain bottom clients. Fare enough. But by the vary nature of that response, tells me that my business is not as important anyway.

I didn't read it that way. He didn't say that bottom clients (individuals) are more important, he said that there are more of them so maintaining them as a group is more important. That's not the same as saying he's not interested in you as a client.

[big-n-tall]

So I’m going to venture slightly off topic from the op’s original post. That’s only because I think it’s a little warranted.

 

I always say if you’re unsure of something, ask.

 

I know it can be annoying going through a myriad of ads trying to figure out what is what. However, just asking the working guy will end the frustration much quicker. And if he/she doesn’t respond or is vague move on. Getting frustrated and venting on these forums about it won’t end whatever level of frustration you have. It won’t change the general practices of searching and hiring until the profession is regulated. I don’t think that will happen in our lifetime in this country.

 

I’ll tell you one thing for sure, sometimes asking (and asking at the right moment or even the right way) yields surprisingly positive results when you think someone is strictly a top, strictly a bottom, or somewhere in between.

Edited June 2, 2018 by big-n-tall

[muscmtl]

So I’m going to venture slightly off topic from the op’s original post. That’s only because I think it’s a little warranted.

 

I always say if you’re unsure of something, ask.

 

I know it can be annoying going through a myriad of ads trying to figure out what is what. However, just asking the working guy will end the frustration much quicker. And if he/she doesn’t respond or is vague move on. Getting frustrated and venting on these forums about it won’t end whatever level of frustration you have. It won’t change the general practices of searching and hiring until the profession is regulated. I don’t think that will happen in our lifetime in this country.

 

I’ll tell you one thing for sure, sometimes asking (and asking at the right moment or even the right way) yields surprisingly positive results when you think someone is strictly a top, strictly a bottom, or somewhere in between.

 

asking is the problem. in my experience they always say they btm when u ask and then when it's time they suddenly top only. As a top, best politics is find escorts that from the start say btm or vers, and avoid the top/vers.