Juan Vancouver

Negative comments about our looks?
 
Really?
 
I am by no means the most beautiful man in the world, I am in the high thirties, have tons of flaws and if that were not enough, I am not white. To this day, I can't remember a single client making a negative comment about me to my face.
 
People treat you the way you treat them. Give them kindness, warmth and respect and that is what you will receive from them... also, as a few disgruntled forum members can attest to, I don't meet assholes.
 
"What do you mean you won't see me? Shut up and put me on your schedule, you'll get your money!" (Nope).
 
On the other hand, I am incredibly aware of the fact that I am not (and don't want to be) everyone's cup of tea. I am a cup of tea, I am not the ocean. I am a single cup of tea and can only be drank by one (or seven) people at a time. I don't need to appeal to everyone, I only need to appeal to those few who will drink me today.
 
Escorting should never be a source of pleasure, companionship and reassurance for escorts. This is our job, we are not here for the perks, we are here to do our job well, and at most, get professional satisfaction. The minute an escort tackles the profession looking for compliments he is fucked. He will constantly be wanting for something from his clients and will put himself in very uncomfortable situations that will never give him his desired ego boost.
 

 
I think you are making a very common mistake that has most of us in pickle. You are conflating self esteem and self esteem issues with the amount of attention and reassurance we get from others. Those are two entirely different and grossly unrelated things that go in opposite directions.
 
Self esteem and self esteem issues are about how I think about myself. Me. About myself. The way others perceive you have absolutely no effect on your self esteem. If other people's judgments happen to match your self assessment, then they will appear to be related, but there is no causation in this correlation.
 
Reassurance, attention, desire, criticism are all going from the outside to the inside. Often when people's self esteems are not entirely healthy, this external input might have the ability to damage it over time, however, when self esteem is being cultivated and is healthy, no amount of praise or criticism will change the way you think about yourself.
 
If an man starts escorting because external reassurance is important for him, he is in for a harsh awakening. This happens often and tends to be really damaging because they soon enough discover that not everyone wants them and they are not the universal appeal jewel they wished they were.
 
If a man starts escorting with a healthy self esteem and not really interested in receiving reassurance, he will discover this is a fulfilling and fun profession when he can help others cultivate that sense of confidence he himself enjoys. While he will not appeal to everyone, he will be happy knowing that he will appeal to enough people to keep him busy.
 
Also, if someone is that much of an asshole that he thinks he is entitled to be a dick, that immediately robs his opinion of every bit of validity.
 
Life is too damned short.

I like having sex with both men and women. For the longest time, however, I have not have a romantic relationship with a woman. I find men incredibly easier.
 
I used to take female clients, but a couple years ago I decided not to accept them anymore as clients. I am very used to the dynamic when working with men. Its easy, fun, there's no roles, there's not guessing, there's no convincing or having to "win" the right to be with them. Also, working with men is very rarely romantically complicated, whereas every single appointment that I have had with a single woman has ended up sooner or later in them wanting to pursue "a relationship" or at least getting romanced and pursued for free, demanding special treatment because "you felt it as well, right? we are special!".
 
The only way I will see women for work is if they come with a male partner who is also bisexual and only if both are wanting to play and interact with me. Those sessions are incredibly fun.
 
No more single women for me. Not for work.
 

 
Dude, I am sure there are many things you can't imagine yourself doing, yet those things are a reality and people purporting to do those things are not lying.
 
This sentence is the definition of close-minded. "I wouldn't, therefore I don't believe anyone honestly can!"
 
Guess what, an incredibly high percentage of the population fucking lust after women. They really, really, REALLY like it. Fine if you don't, but really, continuing to questions others based on how you feel about it is just tiresome.
 

 
No, that's not a proof. That is just some poor sampling that confirms your bias, while you go right after and say that your bias seems to be only correct in a few instances.
 
Such obsession with wanting to put people in boxes! You can only do that with corpses. Live human beings are way more varied than that.

Yes it has happened. From the small, dainty hints of poo to the full catastrophic Richter scale 10 events.
 
We are sticking our dicks in an ass, so we know the risks. If it happens, one tries as hard as one can to be light about it, and relaxed.
 
You contain the issue as best as possible. You clean yourself up, ask the bottom to clean himself. If it was only a tiny hint sometimes it is possible to continue playing after a little shower. If it is a full contingency, I recommend the bottom evacuates, showers thoroughly and then we continue doing other things.
 
If there is actual damage in the room I think it is wise to call it a day. There is no way to continue feeling sexy if walls, beds and furniture are smeared. (NO, this is not an exaggeration. People, learn to douche. It's a life saver!)
 

 
I would one hundred percent recommend against this. Never re-douche during a session. The ass has little corners where water hides and if you don't let water be absorbed for at least half an hour, the water WILL come out, now in a different color and texture if you stick anything in there.
 
The grossest accidents have ever happened when someone douches and jumps into playing. I can't warn you passionately enough.
 
Don't.

Yes it has happened. From the small, dainty hints of poo to the full catastrophic Richter scale 10 events.
 
We are sticking our dicks in an ass, so we know the risks. If it happens, one tries as hard as one can to be light about it, and relaxed.
 
You contain the issue as best as possible. You clean yourself up, ask the bottom to clean himself. If it was only a tiny hint sometimes it is possible to continue playing after a little shower. If it is a full contingency, I recommend the bottom evacuates, showers thoroughly and then we continue doing other things.
 
If there is actual damage in the room I think it is wise to call it a day. There is no way to continue feeling sexy if walls, beds and furniture are smeared. (NO, this is not an exaggeration. People, learn to douche. It's a life saver!)
 

 
I would one hundred percent recommend against this. Never re-douche during a session. The ass has little corners where water hides and if you don't let water be absorbed for at least half an hour, the water WILL come out, now in a different color and texture if you stick anything in there.
 
The grossest accidents have ever happened when someone douches and jumps into playing. I can't warn you passionately enough.
 
Don't.

Yes.
 
Every time.
 
It's not whether I am a saint or not or whether a good escort should like everyone. It's not that I need to be "warned", I just need all necessary information.
 
When I say yes attraction has nothing to do with my answer. Yes, you should always share your expectations before meeting and yes, you should always share information about you that might hinder the fulfillment of those expectations.
 
There's tons of wonderfully fun things one can do with a lover who is even morbidly obese and clean, but because of simple physics there are things that are just not possible.
 
I was once hired by a guy who weighed possibly two and a half times my weight. He was really handsome and I thought the session was going well. At some point, after adjusting heights and angles, finally I was able to fuck him. As soon as I was inside him, he jerked at my arms frantically demanding that I lifted him with my dick and fucked him against the wall the way he had seen in a porn movie.
 
This is not an exaggeration. And as much as this case was extreme, it is quite common for people not in touch with their bodies to demand things are -because of the size and condition of their bodies- simply impossible.
 
You are three hundred pounds and you want me to lift you like you were a tiny young man? I am sorry, it sounds as if I am not the man for you. I don't think I can fulfill your expectation.
 
I will not go see someone who I think I might disappoint. If someone wants something that I am not confident I can provide, I will be clear about it and will suggest I am not the right man for the job. I will explain my point and I will offer options, but I will be very happy not to have brought into a situation where the only outcome is failure.
 
Now... let's not talk about me. Let's not talk about those other escorts who will be thrilled about seeing anyone. Let's talk about the other ones...
 
If I am insecure about the way I look, whether it is justified or not, if I feel ashamed that I am fat, for example and I show up at an escort's door just to have that escort close the door on my face because I am fat, or worse, have the escort take my money while he does absolutely nothing for me... that would make me so much unhappier and more insecure.
 
Why not give the escort every chance to reject me beforehand to avoid the much harsher possibility of being rejected in person or being taken for a ride?
 
ALWAYS GIVE THE NECESSARY INFORMATION. Not for your escort. For yourself.
 
You deserve to be treated well. You deserve to be treated with respect, and you deserve to have someone who understands your expectations clearly.

When it comes to anal sex there is not such thing as too prepared. Either you are ready or you are not.
 
A lot of people don't know this but if you douche often enough you will learn this the painful way. Douching deeply to the point in which you are confident to be able to bottom for a big dick or a long time will dry out your insides. All the normal anal mucous will be washed out by the water leaving it dry, tight and hard to access. With a dry ass every penetration will be painful and dangerous. This is why it is VERY important that once you finish your douche, when you are relatively certain you are done, grab a big dollop of lube and with your own fingers gently lube yourself up. All the way in!
 
Word of caution, if you are using silicone lube your ass will reject the lube after 15 or 20 minutes and when you go to the bathroom it will look as if cum is coming out. If it looks clean, then your douche is ready and your ass is soft and replenished.
 
Then, the very moment before anal insertion it is very important that you lube yourself profusely. Try one finger, then two, after which you will know you are ready for your top to enter you.
 
Your ass is in your control. You have to make sure you are ready and open. Do not leave this responsibility in anyone's hands because nobody will have the care and love that you yourself will.
 
Of course a good escort will do his very best to ensure that you are ready, but a bad escort and a hook up won't. Asses will be ripped, dreams will be broken, tears will be shed.
 
You are in control. Make sure you are ready.

When it comes to anal sex there is not such thing as too prepared. Either you are ready or you are not.
 
A lot of people don't know this but if you douche often enough you will learn this the painful way. Douching deeply to the point in which you are confident to be able to bottom for a big dick or a long time will dry out your insides. All the normal anal mucous will be washed out by the water leaving it dry, tight and hard to access. With a dry ass every penetration will be painful and dangerous. This is why it is VERY important that once you finish your douche, when you are relatively certain you are done, grab a big dollop of lube and with your own fingers gently lube yourself up. All the way in!
 
Word of caution, if you are using silicone lube your ass will reject the lube after 15 or 20 minutes and when you go to the bathroom it will look as if cum is coming out. If it looks clean, then your douche is ready and your ass is soft and replenished.
 
Then, the very moment before anal insertion it is very important that you lube yourself profusely. Try one finger, then two, after which you will know you are ready for your top to enter you.
 
Your ass is in your control. You have to make sure you are ready and open. Do not leave this responsibility in anyone's hands because nobody will have the care and love that you yourself will.
 
Of course a good escort will do his very best to ensure that you are ready, but a bad escort and a hook up won't. Asses will be ripped, dreams will be broken, tears will be shed.
 
You are in control. Make sure you are ready.

No. He pushed a boulder into a tiny crevice.

Yes.
 
Every time.
 
It's not whether I am a saint or not or whether a good escort should like everyone. It's not that I need to be "warned", I just need all necessary information.
 
When I say yes attraction has nothing to do with my answer. Yes, you should always share your expectations before meeting and yes, you should always share information about you that might hinder the fulfillment of those expectations.
 
There's tons of wonderfully fun things one can do with a lover who is even morbidly obese and clean, but because of simple physics there are things that are just not possible.
 
I was once hired by a guy who weighed possibly two and a half times my weight. He was really handsome and I thought the session was going well. At some point, after adjusting heights and angles, finally I was able to fuck him. As soon as I was inside him, he jerked at my arms frantically demanding that I lifted him with my dick and fucked him against the wall the way he had seen in a porn movie.
 
This is not an exaggeration. And as much as this case was extreme, it is quite common for people not in touch with their bodies to demand things are -because of the size and condition of their bodies- simply impossible.
 
You are three hundred pounds and you want me to lift you like you were a tiny young man? I am sorry, it sounds as if I am not the man for you. I don't think I can fulfill your expectation.
 
I will not go see someone who I think I might disappoint. If someone wants something that I am not confident I can provide, I will be clear about it and will suggest I am not the right man for the job. I will explain my point and I will offer options, but I will be very happy not to have brought into a situation where the only outcome is failure.
 
Now... let's not talk about me. Let's not talk about those other escorts who will be thrilled about seeing anyone. Let's talk about the other ones...
 
If I am insecure about the way I look, whether it is justified or not, if I feel ashamed that I am fat, for example and I show up at an escort's door just to have that escort close the door on my face because I am fat, or worse, have the escort take my money while he does absolutely nothing for me... that would make me so much unhappier and more insecure.
 
Why not give the escort every chance to reject me beforehand to avoid the much harsher possibility of being rejected in person or being taken for a ride?
 
ALWAYS GIVE THE NECESSARY INFORMATION. Not for your escort. For yourself.
 
You deserve to be treated well. You deserve to be treated with respect, and you deserve to have someone who understands your expectations clearly.

This original post is called "Would you rather overweight clients warn you about their size and expectations before meeting?" It's not called "Are you disgusted with fat people and should people warn you because you think they are gross". In this specific case, for my client, his weight was the reason for which his expectation could not be fulfilled.
 
He was unaware of that. No, he didn't realize his expectation was unrealistic without me telling him. As a matter of fact he had tried many escorts and was disgusted with the whole thing because nobody could give him what he had seen on a porn flick.
 
If you read my post carefully I was having the time of my life. He was a handsome, fun man. This had absolutely nothing to do with me having to be warned about his weight because it's gross, but I would have love to know he wanted to be carried by my cock all over the room. I would have not taken his money had I known in advance.
 

 
I don't need you to lure me with your bravado. The whole point of being with an escort who understands his therapeutic presence in your life is that you can entirely leave the posturing out of the equation. I don't need you to come with airs, I don't need you to exude self confidence and matador style elegance. Just be on time, be clean, be respectful, honour our agreements and be yourself. Believe me, if you do this, you will leave knowing what true self confidence feels like because you will give someone the chance to see you naked, vulnerable and still be appreciated and seen.
 
It's impossible to see, like or appreciate someone trying to put on airs of something he doesn't feel.
 
No need to pep yourself up before a session. No need to steel yourself up. No need to having to charm, lure, or make the escort fall in love... that's our job. Just be yourself. That's all we ask for.
 

 
Props to you. I beg you to put yourself in the shoes of all the inexperienced clients who may suffer from crippling self doubt and would be destroyed if not even a hooker will touch them. Having an escort not answering an email is one thing, having an escort closing the door on you or worse, taking your money and treat you like shit would leave a terrible mark.
 
Good on you for having confidence. Not good on you for pushing your own opinion without thinking how this might impact other people.
 

 
Yeah, and I want escorts to be kind and loving and sweet and respectful and I want them to be mindful of their clients' privacy... I want so many things!
 
Most escorts don't.
 
My advise to inexperienced clients when dealing with escorts is not relevant to when they are dealing with the ten best escorts of the world. No advise needed then. My advise is for when they are dealing with all the rest.
 
Do I need my clients to hide their money when I visit? No. Would I advise them to hide it when an escort is visiting? YES! EVERY TIME!
 
Would I want escorts not to steal? Who gives a shit what I want. Some do, some don't. The advise I give is in case you are meeting with the ones that do.

I would learn a lot about myself if you show me where I wrote that I need any of those people to "warn" me in order to see them or not, to kiss them or not.
 
That is pure fabrication.
 
To me it sounds as if you are reacting to some other instance we don't know anything about, protecting it to my half digested post. No need to be sickened. You just need to read what I wrote.
 
Yes, give all information specially when it can possibly affect your expectations. (Like the case I mentioned).
 
Tell me about you and tell me about what you are hoping to experience.
 
Lastly, and this concerning clients, not me, personally, tell your escort -every single time- in case he is a dud and you can avoid him. If you are wanting to avoid a bad experience, disclose. It is in your own interest.
 
If this makes you feel sickened, then you are right, the conversation is over.
 
Wishing you many fulfilling, exciting encounters.

My man, respectfully, your reading comprehension skills are incredibly lacking. This is not an issue of the escorts' preferences, but of the emotional wellbeing of clients who might already have a tenuous self confidence.
 
Yes, by all means, if you are going to the mall, or a party or the office, hold your head as high as you can, celebrate who you are and give no explanations about your physical state.
 
If you are going to meet an escort, however, if you are going to put yourself in someone else's hands and be vulnerable, if you are planning to be in the incredibly dangerous position in which a prejudiced, dumb or inexperienced guy might actually bruise you instead of handle you with love and tenderness, then it is incredibly important that you weed out the bad ones before meeting as often as you can.

Going to meet an escort "hoping that you picked a winner that treats you like a king" is an abusive suggestion because you know there are not many out there. Leaving it to luck is a very self hating way to go about it. There is a much better way to know in advance if you picked a winner: let him know everything there is to know.

 
And the other part of the question... expectations. If you are one of those people who think escorts are sexbots who can and will do any sex trick for you every time, then I know you are also one of those men who are always disappointed. If someone tells me that I must cum once in his mouth, another time in his ass and another time on his chest, I will have to turn down the appointment. If someone tells me that he must absolutely enjoy anal sex, which has to this point been elusive, I will clearly manage his expectations and tell him that I cannot promise that. If a 400 pound person expects me to fuck carry him around the room like he saw in the movies, I will have to explain why this is not possible.
 
It's not a matter of preferences or performance, as you call it. It's simple physics.
 
Having good, loving intentions is completely different to selling "One syrup heals all" snake oil.

Yes.
 
Every time.
 
It's not whether I am a saint or not or whether a good escort should like everyone. It's not that I need to be "warned", I just need all necessary information.
 
When I say yes attraction has nothing to do with my answer. Yes, you should always share your expectations before meeting and yes, you should always share information about you that might hinder the fulfillment of those expectations.
 
There's tons of wonderfully fun things one can do with a lover who is even morbidly obese and clean, but because of simple physics there are things that are just not possible.
 
I was once hired by a guy who weighed possibly two and a half times my weight. He was really handsome and I thought the session was going well. At some point, after adjusting heights and angles, finally I was able to fuck him. As soon as I was inside him, he jerked at my arms frantically demanding that I lifted him with my dick and fucked him against the wall the way he had seen in a porn movie.
 
This is not an exaggeration. And as much as this case was extreme, it is quite common for people not in touch with their bodies to demand things are -because of the size and condition of their bodies- simply impossible.
 
You are three hundred pounds and you want me to lift you like you were a tiny young man? I am sorry, it sounds as if I am not the man for you. I don't think I can fulfill your expectation.
 
I will not go see someone who I think I might disappoint. If someone wants something that I am not confident I can provide, I will be clear about it and will suggest I am not the right man for the job. I will explain my point and I will offer options, but I will be very happy not to have brought into a situation where the only outcome is failure.
 
Now... let's not talk about me. Let's not talk about those other escorts who will be thrilled about seeing anyone. Let's talk about the other ones...
 
If I am insecure about the way I look, whether it is justified or not, if I feel ashamed that I am fat, for example and I show up at an escort's door just to have that escort close the door on my face because I am fat, or worse, have the escort take my money while he does absolutely nothing for me... that would make me so much unhappier and more insecure.
 
Why not give the escort every chance to reject me beforehand to avoid the much harsher possibility of being rejected in person or being taken for a ride?
 
ALWAYS GIVE THE NECESSARY INFORMATION. Not for your escort. For yourself.
 
You deserve to be treated well. You deserve to be treated with respect, and you deserve to have someone who understands your expectations clearly.

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Don't know him at all, but for the life of me I can't see any of the classic tell tell signs of photoshop on that picture.
 
NYCman, I think you know what this means... you have to take one for the team and find out. =)
 
Anything in the pursuit of knowledge!

Yeah, this is not a matter of each own having their own experience and respecting each other's experiences. This is about someone projecting on to others their own limited view of the world, and then painting everyone who doesn't conform to that limited view with the scathing wide brush of mendacity.
 
It's perfectly Okay to believe that if you dance on Sundays the devil will subject you to an endless punishment of brimstone. It's perfectly fine if you live in congruency with your belief. Do not fucking dance.
 
What is not okay is to insist that others are stupid and will burn forever. What is not okay is trying to force others to change their ways because of your personal belief.
 
Don't want to dance on Sunday? I don't give a shit. Power to you! I will bloody dance whenever the fuck I feel like doing it.

My dear Friendofsheila,
 
I am going to write something that might send some NorthAmerican sensibilities into a frenzied tizzy. I say fuck rules, fuck sensibilities, fuck aesthetics, fuck what others might think. I wholeheartedly recommend you to try on a few different pairs of bathing suits and when you find the one with which you feel the best, the most comfortable, the sexiest, the most mobile then commit to it and wear it with pride. Beyond abs, much father than herculean glutes and a behemoth of a bulge, there is nothing sexier than confidence, relaxation and to see a man who is at peace with what he is wearing, owns it and asks for nobody's permission.
 
Life is so punily short, hard and elusively fleeting to waste any second of it.
 
May you find the sexiest, most amazing pair that makes you feel that you love who you are now.
 
Beach power to you, my brother!

My dear Friendofsheila,
 
I am going to write something that might send some NorthAmerican sensibilities into a frenzied tizzy. I say fuck rules, fuck sensibilities, fuck aesthetics, fuck what others might think. I wholeheartedly recommend you to try on a few different pairs of bathing suits and when you find the one with which you feel the best, the most comfortable, the sexiest, the most mobile then commit to it and wear it with pride. Beyond abs, much father than herculean glutes and a behemoth of a bulge, there is nothing sexier than confidence, relaxation and to see a man who is at peace with what he is wearing, owns it and asks for nobody's permission.
 
Life is so punily short, hard and elusively fleeting to waste any second of it.
 
May you find the sexiest, most amazing pair that makes you feel that you love who you are now.
 
Beach power to you, my brother!

My dear Friendofsheila,
 
I am going to write something that might send some NorthAmerican sensibilities into a frenzied tizzy. I say fuck rules, fuck sensibilities, fuck aesthetics, fuck what others might think. I wholeheartedly recommend you to try on a few different pairs of bathing suits and when you find the one with which you feel the best, the most comfortable, the sexiest, the most mobile then commit to it and wear it with pride. Beyond abs, much father than herculean glutes and a behemoth of a bulge, there is nothing sexier than confidence, relaxation and to see a man who is at peace with what he is wearing, owns it and asks for nobody's permission.
 
Life is so punily short, hard and elusively fleeting to waste any second of it.
 
May you find the sexiest, most amazing pair that makes you feel that you love who you are now.
 
Beach power to you, my brother!

My dear Friendofsheila,
 
I am going to write something that might send some NorthAmerican sensibilities into a frenzied tizzy. I say fuck rules, fuck sensibilities, fuck aesthetics, fuck what others might think. I wholeheartedly recommend you to try on a few different pairs of bathing suits and when you find the one with which you feel the best, the most comfortable, the sexiest, the most mobile then commit to it and wear it with pride. Beyond abs, much father than herculean glutes and a behemoth of a bulge, there is nothing sexier than confidence, relaxation and to see a man who is at peace with what he is wearing, owns it and asks for nobody's permission.
 
Life is so punily short, hard and elusively fleeting to waste any second of it.
 
May you find the sexiest, most amazing pair that makes you feel that you love who you are now.
 
Beach power to you, my brother!

My dear Friendofsheila,
 
I am going to write something that might send some NorthAmerican sensibilities into a frenzied tizzy. I say fuck rules, fuck sensibilities, fuck aesthetics, fuck what others might think. I wholeheartedly recommend you to try on a few different pairs of bathing suits and when you find the one with which you feel the best, the most comfortable, the sexiest, the most mobile then commit to it and wear it with pride. Beyond abs, much father than herculean glutes and a behemoth of a bulge, there is nothing sexier than confidence, relaxation and to see a man who is at peace with what he is wearing, owns it and asks for nobody's permission.
 
Life is so punily short, hard and elusively fleeting to waste any second of it.
 
May you find the sexiest, most amazing pair that makes you feel that you love who you are now.
 
Beach power to you, my brother!

My dear Friendofsheila,
 
I am going to write something that might send some NorthAmerican sensibilities into a frenzied tizzy. I say fuck rules, fuck sensibilities, fuck aesthetics, fuck what others might think. I wholeheartedly recommend you to try on a few different pairs of bathing suits and when you find the one with which you feel the best, the most comfortable, the sexiest, the most mobile then commit to it and wear it with pride. Beyond abs, much father than herculean glutes and a behemoth of a bulge, there is nothing sexier than confidence, relaxation and to see a man who is at peace with what he is wearing, owns it and asks for nobody's permission.
 
Life is so punily short, hard and elusively fleeting to waste any second of it.
 
May you find the sexiest, most amazing pair that makes you feel that you love who you are now.
 
Beach power to you, my brother!

Good god, no. I wasn't offended by you at all, and I don't think everyone is unkind. I think it is always very clear whose intention is to continue the exploration and whose is to stir shit.
 
I have so much respect for your commitment. I can't continue wrestling with the pig. He is not listening, he doesn't want to grow or discuss. He just wants to piss people off.
 
Best luck to you, sexy! May you convert many! I know someone has to. Big hug!

No thanks. Trying to inform an ignorant, incendiary, misogynistic internet bullying troll about my sexual life, so that in his mind he may perhaps think that I have any insight on women in general or female rights is akin to trying to acquire twitter followers so that I can prove to Trump that xenophobia, war, cronyism and the dismantling of female rights is wrong.
 
Whether I have or have not had relationships with women I have a clear idea of how equal their rights must be.
 
I tried to engage in an adult discussion with him before and all I get is childish name calling. Slut shaming, homophobic slurs, gross misquotes and ignorance. I am out of this conversation.
 
And on top of that, Good grief with his veiled threat about the rumblings of the so many... How brave the coward becomes behind anonymity!
 
On another thread I was told I am so open minded my brains will fall out... because I believe we all would benefit from being kinder to one another.
 
Has the level of discourse in this forum really sunk to the levels of the commander in chief?
 
You guys... You don't have to follow suit.
 
Human rights are necessary for any civilization to thrive. Kindness and respect make life a better place. Anyone, by the mere practice of empathy can understand how important the rights of others are. These are basic truths.
 
None of this should even be on the table. And no, there's no "merrits" (SIC) to both sides of every argument. Putting jews (or gays or muslims or japanese) in a concentration camp is wrong. Period. ALL humans deserve basic rights. Period. There is no automatic achievement or merit on the fact that you concocted a monstrous franken-opinion.
 
It's sad that the kind and polite members barely ever post. But now I remember why.
 
May you all find happiness. Best wishes!

Good god, no. I wasn't offended by you at all, and I don't think everyone is unkind. I think it is always very clear whose intention is to continue the exploration and whose is to stir shit.
 
I have so much respect for your commitment. I can't continue wrestling with the pig. He is not listening, he doesn't want to grow or discuss. He just wants to piss people off.
 
Best luck to you, sexy! May you convert many! I know someone has to. Big hug!