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Is that based on your own personal experience or other threads?

This is based on numerous reputable posters from other threads.

As someone who has been on the receiving end of racial rejection and discrimination (as recently as yesterday when a white guy pushed me when I accidentally walked in on him and a group playing at a Korean spa despite politely excusing myself and turning around), I don't care to test it and get rejected.

I trust the poster right above me and many others.

Just a reminder that Grant does not take (or begrudgingly takes) massage clients of size or color (Asian in particular).

I've never seen such enthusiastic support for one provider!

He's so lucky to have such an ardent fan.

Doesn't seem to busy though as his profile has been toggled "available now" all weekend.

Maybe you can have brunch and do some shopping with him and see a movie since he's so free.

I can give you some recommendations on Burke Williams masseurs. And before everyone blows up my inbox, they are all totally therapeutic only.

The spa, on the other hand, gets some action.

Would not recommend the sfstud. You can pm me.

I know Wklucas' comment about Spencer was meant to be snarky, but it perfectly illustrates white privilege.

He can go "call on" pretty much any provider when he wants to. For myself and certain others, the very first thing I do is ask them "are you okay with clients of my ethnicity."

If the reply is no, we spare ourselves an uncomfortable in-person rejection. If the reply is yes, it can still create a dynamic where the patron still feels "less than" because he had to ask in the first place. But in my experience, better to check than get rejected.

Must be nice if you don't have to think or deal about such things.

Anyway, I digress. If anyone knows tops -- particularly African American ones -- who don't have any racial requirements and are legit (I ask this because a number have been identified on this board as using fake pics), the recommendations would be appreciated.

Some do / some don't...I do enjoy....Spencer

 

https://rent.men/SpencerWhitman

lsik1476 if you are Asian or black don't bother with Spencer and spare yourself the race hate/humiliation from a racist.

There's this video for a yet unlaunched black men site for those of you who like interracial action:

https://www.gayforit.eu/video/408578/Oil-Massage-rimming

And I can't believe no one has posted the infamous Preston oil massage:

https://www.gayforit.eu/video/342922/Preston-Massage

I'm going to cautiously enter this thread because I've been race-hated on this board.

Racism is undoubtedly present in the gay community. From the blatant "no Asians" to bars or spas clearing out when I enter, I've experienced it my entire adult life. Attraction may by governed physiologically (just how gay men aren't sexually attracted to women) or influenced by society and media (Asian men are regularly emasculated on screen). It may be a bit of both. But from my experience, Asians are treated worse in the gay community than any other race (except perhaps South Asians).

The issue comes with how guys express their attraction (or lack of). I'm not sexually attracted to older men, but frequently get attention from them (another topic for another day). If they reach out to me, I reply, "thank you, but it's not a 100% match. Good luck." I don't say "you're too old." I don't block them. Some guys get hostile but most of the time they say "thanks" or "no problem." Respect earns respect.

The problem is many white guys (who are considered by most as the most desirable) lack that respect. I stopped complimenting white guys on Grindr because I'd get auto blocked. For saying things like "you have a great smile." Yes, I know there are my Asian brothers that shamelessly hurl themselves at any white guy, but when the level of lack of respect for another race results in an automatic block or a hand to the face (yes, one guy once put his hand in my face after I said he was good-looking), that comes from thinking you're better than they are. And that is definitely racism.

The saddest part is so many Asians have internalized it. I'm in SF for the month and can't tell you how many Asian guys exclude their race from their profiles. Why? Because they know a lot of guys check the boxes for other races than Asian. They want to be the exception. Sometimes they are (the tall, muscular Asians with square jaws -- ironically, the desirable Asians look more "white"). Sometimes they're not. This is true of Asian guys with ripped bodies and use shirtless pics. A white guy will find the body hot but when they learn it belongs to an Asian they change their minds. What changed? Maybe the face. Or maybe the race.

This recent video puts it best. An asian model (who is straight, but it affects all Asians) says, "I didn't want to be white. I just want to be treated like I was white." What he's really saying is that he wants to be treated with respect.

So whether it's "preference" or you're racist (because let's face it, some of you are), try treating everyone with respect. Because we're all part of the human race.

I just want to reiterate that BW is strictly professional and any recommendations are for masseurs whom I find to be therapeutically skilled.

If you're looking for more than use rentmasseur or massagefinder.

As mentioned in other Vegas threads, a little pre-planning goes a long way.

The MGM properties do have high resort fees but occasionally really low room rates. Their calendar is very searchable and if you sign up for a free account you get access to discounted pricing on everything from rooms to shows.

The LINQ rooms are modern and fine but quite a walk/spread out if you're mobility restricted. The spa is quite nice there. Very large steam room and lots of free k-cups lol. Not very cruisy though.

Best of all, it's super central. Just cross the street and you're at Caesar's.

I've yet to go back to the Mandalay since the massacre but I heard that spa is the crusiest. Got race hated hard at Qua and don't care to go back.

Back when CL was still around (can't believe I'm writing that) I used to find the most exceptional men knocking on my door. Now, it's just the Grindr hustlers (I hate to generalize, but 95 percent of the black guys are seeking "gen") and more general lameness.

Speaking of shows, Zumanity is quite fun and sexy and Magic Mike ain't bad either.

Wow, you must've been totally enamored.

I've never seen one person write so many different posts about one escort, from proving information on his schedule beforehand to a near immediate review after. All glowing, of course.

FWIW, I do know Drake is real, as I've seen him play with many guys for free (or just the cost of admission) at a local spa. Striking looking fella.

not asking about HE or extras, but is anyone familiar with Burke Williams in Hollywood.

 

Wonder if there are good masseurs there I can ask for - looking for someone strong who can help me zone out.

You can DM me.

I've seen Drake play with guys at a local spa.

Not normally my type but a very sexy guy.

I've seen Drake play with guys at a local spa.

Not normally my type but a very sexy guy.

Taylor aka Grant is now back in Weho as XLHands.

https://rentmasseur.com/XLhands

I have been tempted to get a therapeutic massage from him for years, but seeing as he doesn't take Asian clients or begrudgingly does so/is disgusted by them, I just can't bring myself to make the leap.

We're talking two different Derek Anthonys here.

Older toned hung top is definitely alive as he hits me up on Grindr lol.

The bodybuilder with the same name passed away five years ago.

I visit Vegas many times a year.

Rooms at the LINQ are fine. They're small but not cramped. Bathrooms are renovated with rain showers. Definitely less wear and tear than the Luxor or other MGM properties. Nice central location too, just a five minute walk across the street to Caesar's. My only complaint is the elevators are always broken.

As others have noted, everything in Vegas is designed to take your money. However, there are lots of ways to save, too -- visitor's guides in cabs and many hotels have coupons, Groupon has great deals on attractions. You don't have to eat at buffets or fancy restaurants every night (and your stomach will thank you for it). I usually only do one buffet and get things like the Gamblers Special ($7.77) at the Hard Rock. Slow play a slot machine and you can get free booze instead of a cocktail at a bar.

Transportation can add up quick, especially since all cabs have $3 surcharge, I believe. Try walking, taking monorails or free shuttles to save on costs.

Well, it was made clear in the opening post that this an open gallery to post what each of us finds attractive. The thread opened this evening with just a few people posting. Rather than make us feel bad about what we find sexy, just post pics that you find sexy. I myself do not have blue eyes but find this recessive trait very alluring.

Who's making anyone feel bad?

I too stated that I like blue eyes. I'm just curious how much of that attraction is media/socially driven and why it seemingly has to be at the expense of non-blue eyes. Even in countries like India.

I guarantee you neither the Pakistani chaiwala nor "hot con" Jeremy Meeks would not have gone viral had it not been for their blue eyes. But fair enough, we can leave this as a gallery post.

Interesting that except for the Korean pop star and William Levy, the majority of these guys have blue eyes -- a mostly recessive trait that is almost exclusive to people of European descent.

It just reminds me how rigid standards of beauty are and how I -- an Asian guy with self-described "boring" (at least I'm socially-conditioned to think so) brown eyes -- will never fit that standard.

This is also true in the "silver foxes" gallery where there is a near uniform look: white, tan, and often with ... you guessed it ... blue eyes.

Not that I'm complaining -- give me a blue-eyed silver daddy any day. Just sharing how different people may react to certain images -- where one might feel lustful another may feel sadness or jealousy.

Silence is Golden.

On an unrelated note, Spencer Whitman, whom Tony Napoli recommended, does not see Asian clients for escorting, and probably will be miserable massaging a person of that ethnicity. So avoid him (and an awkward rejection based on your race) if you are Asian.

60

 

Don't wanna come off as ageist or anything, but I simply don't want to be old and unable to do the things I enjoy unless I end up deciding to have kids eventually when I enter my 40s. Even then, I probably still wouldn't want to live over 65 lol. I panic sometimes just thinking about the fact I'll be turning 50 in less than 14 yrs :/ 40 in less than 4!!!

 

Did any of you older gents suddenly start feeling this way when you entered your mid 30's? I used to not think about age much before, and find myself obsessing about it all the time now. I went from always being the baby in relationships, to now being the daddy, something I still haven't gotten used to yet...

I'm probably the same age as you and feel the same way.

Except I'm not in a relationship and as I get older the prospects get less and less (as I lose my youth and whatever marginal sex appeal I have).

Somehow over the course of 13 or so years, I went from the young hotshot to the oldest person in my office. What I prided myself on -- being young and "successful" -- is now an fading memory.

Judging by your name, I guess you might feel like your job is a dead end. I'm "successful" and make good money, but it's all work.

I've got a house and a car and don't need more. I might save up for a baby, but the thought of raising a child alone is daunting and a bit depressing.

I just don't feel like things will get better. Maybe I'll wait until my parents pass and go soon after so they don't die broken-hearted.

Hey what about me??!!! Let me know too.....I’m sure there must be at least a few in LA to go around.

I was asking on our mutual behalf!

I'm with you through most of your post except "sometimes blacks" because I'd wager black Americans experience rejection and objectification just as often as Asians. Ultimately, though, this isn't a contest.

I can't speak for the black experience but didn't want to exclude, so please don't take my comments as dismissive. In general, I find Asians are more rejected and blacks objectified (well endowed, aggressive, bigger), but as you wrote, it's not a contest.

That's why I always state my race when reaching out to not only a provider but even just masseurs (I started a separate thread on it) as @lookingforfunny suggested.

It's also why I carefully keep track of how people respond to my presence at spas. If they get up and leave when I enter or sit down multiple times, I take it that they have a problem with my presence (whether they're racist, think I'm a creeper despite doing nothing but entering, or that I'm worker and will report on them, etc). I avoid them after that because I want to avoid that pain of rejection.

And yes, if sometimes there is no room left, I will ask them to enter, or apologize and leave. Because to me, asking "is it okay to sit here" at a spa is the equivalent of "I am Asian, do you accept clients of that color?" with a provider.

And one final caveat to lookingforfunny's post. Don't assume providers within your race will automatically say yes to you. I have found fellow Asians to be the most racist to each other.

To get back on track, if there are any black or white tops in L.A. who are cool with Asians or even "prefer" them, let me know!

I had the same experience. While the massage was good and sensual and he's gorgeous in face and body, he was not completely there. I also sensed a West Hollywood vibe which you can interpret in your own way.

I interpret "West Hollywood" vibe in a couple ways:

1. Vapid and self-centered

2. ParTies

3. Has racial "preferences" that lean toward white and Latin

Any of those three? All of them?