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4 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

There's a long history of gay guys preferring to be with other gay guys.  Here's a thread started by a guy who was worried that he is too straight looking, and that's why he couldn't hookup with other gay men  but only a few times per year.

 

 

 

That thread is from 7 years ago. I was naive and unexperienced as hell and to a large extent closeted. 

Interesting. I truly forgot about it. 

8 hours ago, Luv2play said:

My impression as an outsider is that there are 5 top tier cities in the US for male providers. NY, LA, SF, DC and Houston. These translate into, finance, entertainment, hi tech, big government and oil resp. Encompassing the areas at the top of the food chain in the USA.
That’s my own assessment which I came up with just through observation. 

Don't forget about Miami. After New York, it is likely the most competitive city for escorts in the USA. Then I guess it's L. A.? I'm surprised Las Vegas isn't listed. Or is Vegas not really good for escorting? Someone on another thread said it was risky for the business. 

4 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Here's a recent thread discussing rates in San Diego, which you consider in the same "tier" as New York.  In summary, most responded that typical rates fall between $250-$350 per hour in San Diego; but, don't expect as high $300 for not kissing, rimming, oral, bottoming, etc.

 

I think New York is in the upper first-tier range while Chicago in the lower. In my definition it's not really about how big a city is but more about how expensive and competitive. Houston and Phoenix (for example) are bigger than both Boston and San Francisco and to me they are 2nd-tier cities ranking lower than those two. 

On 3/27/2024 at 8:10 AM, Pensant said:

Even in second-tier cities, we’re seeing $300, which is fair. I don’t mind $400 for a real hottie.

Can give example of what you consider "second-tier" cities?

To me first-tier citied would be:

New York 

San Francisco 

D. C. 

Los Angeles 

Miami

Chicago

Boston 

San Diego 

6 hours ago, DWnyc said:

Not only market research but also marketing! 

If it gives you an idea, I've been profiled by gay dudes lol. As I got older it doesn't happen as much anymore though.

There was one time this hot porn actor and I met on Grindr while I was visiting L. A. and we decided to hook up. He didn't believe I was gay at first. Long story. I think there is a line between straight-acting and masculine. 

13 hours ago, DWnyc said:

What’s surprising may be that-  if your numbers are correct - they don’t actually disclose that fully. And then they still expect to be paid on the basis of vague descriptions of service or claiming the payment is for time rather than anything specific.

No problem if everything is really fully disclosed. But it often isn’t. Many providers don’t hide that they are intentionally vague and openly mock those they can lure in.:

Well, I do. It's also in my profile. 

12 hours ago, DWnyc said:

So let me ask again - why did the OP pose the basic question in this thread?

Market research?

12 hours ago, BOZO T CLOWN said:

Agree 100%

BTC

Would that be a problem if it was market research? I don't think so. 

I think some people assumme I'm straight because of the way I carry myself. Even some of my gay friends at first told me I was supposedly "too suave" to be gay. Whatever that means. I personally think it has something to do with my New York urban Latino swagger. I absorbed it unconsciously. 

8 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

OP said in his question that he wanted to know what orientation would generate interest from the greatest number of clients. OP is having a tough time drumming up business with no kissing, no bottoming, and charging $350/hour.  He wants to know if changing his advertised sexual orientation would attract more customers willing to pay the price for the company he offers.

Consensus on the replies is that changing his advertised orientation to "straight" is likely not the solution.

I have "bi" in my profile and used to have "gay" and "ask me" before. I would never change it to "straight" because I'm simply not straight. I used to identify as "bi" at some point in my life but that was probably me being funny. I think you are assumming. That's not cute. 

Half of the escorts in the business do not kiss. I don't know what's surprising about it. Escorts are entitled to have their limitations. Why would I bottom? I've never bottomed in my life.

1 hour ago, BaronArtz said:

I live and hire in NYC. 

My sweet spot is 90 minutes for an erotic massage/interactive playtime combo.  For that reason, I prefer working with guys who have both a masseur and an escort ad.  For that, I am quoted rates between 240 and 300.  I do tip well for good performance.  After tip, a 90 minute session ends up being $300 - $400, which I find very reasonable.  The guys seem happy with that and I have no problems getting repeat appointments.

That seems quite fair to me. 

3 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

well, you don't kiss, maybe that's why they think you're straight.

Well, not only straight providers don't kiss.

My clients usually don't ask for kissing. But that's because they figure out from my profile. 

Well, someone that has an erection to have sex with another man can't be straight. But this is just my opinion. 

Would you rather hire a bi, gay or straight provider? I ask because a lot of clients find the idea of having sex with a straight or bi man more exciting. Most of my clients usually assume I'm straight. Do you think identifying as bi, gay or straight makes a different when trying to find potential clients?

Just now, Vegas_Millennial said:

The feeling is mutual.

I like an escort that is a great kisser, and is open to both being a top and bottom.

But each person has different tastes and desires.  There's a market for everything.  But some markets are larger than others.

You already learnt my experience. I talked about it recently. This is what is making think cheap client are not healthy. Why would you deny a client the shower after he traveled hours to see you? Other escorts would have asked for a uber. But I agreed anyways. He took advantage. 

Just now, Vegas_Millennial said:

 

I met a traveling NYC escort last weekend that is offering $250/hour in NYC.  I will book with him when I visit NYC in two months.

He is the exception. I wouldn't do it for 250 honestly. I did it once and had to travel. The client was cheap and didn't allow me to take a shower after I traveled 2 hours to see him across the Hudson. Cheapest clients tend to be the worst. 

40 minutes ago, Thique said:

$300 - $350 seems to be the average rate.

300 not in NYC anymore. 

It's too informal. 

On 4/9/2024 at 11:43 PM, Trick said:

Escorting is a very complicated business. Ever consider working in retail instead? 

Sooo damn rude. 

A lot of us are educated. I graduated with a decent GPA myself. Many just escort as a side job for extra income or because they simply like to travel and think is good money where you can take several breaks. 

They should be deposits for people that ask to see nudes "o see what "they will pay for". 

Deposits are needed. I talk from my experience. I already had a few bad ones where the client blocks after I travel for them. A lot of the times they just want to take advantage of us to collect nudes. Other times they just jerk at our replies because they see us as a fantasy. It's really bothersome.

Now I understand why some providers have limited interactions with everyone that texts them. I'm always too nice. 29 out of 30 interactions I have is people playing games. 

27 minutes ago, acks0104 said:

No. No services were provided.

36 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

I don't think that's standard, for escorts to ask. However, I personally send them something if I have to cut at the last minute.

I recall an escort who went off on me because he couldn't find his way around the city and complained about the cold, and said I should pay him money since he claimed he tried but couldn't visit me. But with that attitude, all he got from me was a block.

But cancelling twice in a row when you are just visiting? Hmmmm

Is it okay if the escort asks for a deposit after a client cancels hours in advance? How do feel about it? I'm genuinely curious. 

10 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Thanks!  For two hours, do you hold steady at $700, or do you offer a break?

I've done 500 a couple of times for 2 hours. But that’s outside NYC. In New York City nobody has hired for so long except for one guy (I charged him 550 for 2 hours). We didn't do anal. He was very nice and paid for my ubers. 

Do you think 500 is too little in NYC? My friend charges 700. I thought the point was to encourage people to hire you for longer. 

On 3/30/2024 at 5:07 PM, topunderachiever said:

How much are you charging?  I believe you're a provider now, correct?

350 in the city since I'm a newbie with only one review in my profile. I don't consider that expensive. I've done 300 a few times but regretted it. I did 200 for 30 minutes one time but no anal involved. I only do travels. 

I'm not into into cheap customers honestly. If someone thinks 350-400 for a escort in New York City is a lot then hiring is not their thing. 

I hate when certain clients like to act entitled as if they have the right to tell others what's their value is. Unless the escort is scamming people no one has that right.  If you think someone is expensive just move on and hire someone else. It's their bodies and minds at the end of the day. 

22 minutes ago, NYXboy said:

300 is the standard. 

In New York City? Ummm

That used to be the standard before the pandemic. It's been almost five years since 2019. Plus don't forget the inflation. I think 300 for an hour should be the standard for cities like Dallas, Atlanta,  Houston, Tampa, etc.

What about 2 hours?

I mean for a regular escort (not a porn star nor anything like it). People will say those that are "hotter" will be more expensive. But the thing is that what is hot for me may not be for others. In other words, if someone is looking for a beefy not as lean mature men is because such type is what the hiring person considers a 10.

I don't think 300 or 350 should be the standard price here in NYC anymore. That's not a decent amount of money for someone who is in the business here. Hiring escorts should be a luxury in my honest opinion.