Typical

Totally agree. Nice enough. Wish him well. But a one time only event for me. FWIW, he used to be a dancer at Adonis in NYC. He was much more fun in that venue. Maybe 10 minutes is enough sometimes.

There are two bathhouses in NYC: The Westside Club and the Eastside Club. They operate under a grandfathered license and can never close because if they do they cannot reopen. They are private "clubs" and you must "join" upon entering. I haven't been to the Westside Club in probably over 10 years and it was not a well maintained facility back then; however, it serves its purpose.

The irony of THIS post complaining "he doesn't know any words" is too rich. Brain (Brian?): Here is a little advice for you, if you can read it. Get someone with a basic understanding of the English language to post your faux, self-serving babble.

The more clothes the better in this unusual case... Trust me.

Ahhh. Memory lane. Now I recall 15+ years ago....bat shit crazy!

I made an appointment with the guy using these photos maybe 5 years ago. The photos were very dated even then. He wasn't 29 or anything close to it. So my supposition is if your inquiry suggests that you will be displeased by a much older guy than the ad promises he blocks to avoid the problem.

He had an ad on either MF or the old defunct site a few years ago. I think he probably no longer advertises on MF because people were constantly looking for more than therapeutic. He is totally legit and very good. But you will be draped, he will be fully clothed, and nothing beyond a spa protocol massage will happen.

I predict with great confidence that sometime in the near future your luck will end and you will (a) get the living shit beat out of you and/or (b) be charged with assault.

I feel like everyone in this discussion could sit at a bar in person and become friends. BUT.... this being anonymous "social media" ....there MUST be a fight over absolutely fucking NOTHING. No wonder the world is being torn apart. For no reason whatsoever.

His neighbor had problems with unknown people coming and going all night for sex? How strange.

You have seen Rob and you were happy? I tried to set up something with him a few times when I saw his "available now" indicator on. He would reply maybe an hour later or a day later saying something like - I'm available next Thursday or I can see you over the weekend. Apparently the word "now" has a different meaning to some folks than the generally accepted definition. In any case, after the third time of that, I totally moved on.

I don't think it was an undocumented worker issue. I would guess the three were all native to Long Island from their accents. I think it was something else....they seemed out of it. Like really out of it. I'm guessing substance-induced paranoia. I waited for a few minutes to pay (although the whole thing wasn't worth a single dime and was so weird), but then worried that something really bad could happen there. So I ran up those steps an across 15th Street as fast as possible!

Of course I KNEW better. But went in anyway. (I had some decent to good experiences there, but more than five years ago...) 30 minutes into a strange 60 minute massage appointment (after a lot of yelling on the premises) the door to my "room" was thrown open and cell phones were tossed in. The "therapist" announced "you are done" and left. I was certainly ready to leave, got up and dressed. But I then discovered everyone had apparently fled the premises. The guy therapist and two women up front all left! Gone. No one anywhere. Front door was left open. No one in sight! P.S.: They were all VERY high. Lesson learned. Hot shower now with a whole lot of soap.

I've met him in person. He identifies as straight and I have no reason to question that. He's nice looking, but, as in most cases, his modeling photos are FAR better than daily reality: With the right make-up, lighting, hair stylist and 3 hours of preparation, I could be the fucking GQ centerfold next month! I haven't seen him without clothes so can't comment on the body in detail. He looks in shape. He is real and is doing massage work. Someone will have to try it out I suppose. It can't turn out that bad. He's real and doesn't seem remotely dangerous.

"I would hope you are smart enough not to use porn flicks as an educational tool on viewing, grouping, categorizing and generalizing people." POW! Out of the park! Into the stratosphere!

Agree with the above. Bizarre is the best word to describe this "experience". I wouldn't return if he paid ME.

From my limited experience (once) I would go with Neil solo (I did the 4 hand for a $100 add on). Neil is all you need or want. Save the $100 for the downpayment on Neil visit 2!

I must have too much time on my hands today. So... People get photos of masseurs because they are paying them, not the other way around. That is not a fair comparison MscleLovr. $80 is seemingly cheap, yes. But a big part of the discount is because he is on 145th Street (he charges more for his East Village appointments and doesn't do outcalls). I know there are a couple of well regarded therapists in that neighborhood (including Brad), but in general it takes great enticement to get folks, in any kind of meaningful numbers, up that far. For most people it is a serious commitment of time - maybe an extra hour of total travel roundtrip from midtown. That's a really big deal. I have hired a guy that I like from that distance but only as an outcall. He doesn't charge much more to come downtown because he recognizes (and confirmed to me) that almost no one will make that trek. Honestly, most days I wouldn't travel that far even if the services were free. (I prefer to pay more $ to masseurs that are within 15 minutes walking distance of my apartment or office, MscleLovr:).) In any case, I might see this guy at his EV location and see what it's all about. He actually sounds from massagelover like a perfectly nice guy.

This is the problem. His ad says he may refuse service to anyone at his discretion. While I would agree that a massage therapist has every right to turn away unhygienic, rude, inebriated, etc., patrons, that statement indicates a whole lot more subjectivity. (The Colorado baker comes to mind.) And he wants a photo up front. Sounds like he wants to get paid to rub down guys he finds attractive. Me, too!!! lol I have no doubt he is a nice guy and gives a good massage. But I just don't think an ad directed at the general public is the way to offer his seemingly selective service.

This is an important point. In my English minor days back in college I learned that intonation and facial expressions can convey up to 90% of the intended message. Obviously those communication components are largely lost in written only form. Often playful banter (in one's head) ends up as snark or worse in written forums like these. Who knows how much heartache is caused by misinterpreted typed message. Perhaps Trump's twitter feed is actually quite sensitive, enlightened and witty!

Dead on, RNJJ663! People behave anonymously in ways they NEVER could or would in person. And maybe sometimes I'm a little guilty, too. Social media is generally a nightmare. I don't participate in FB, twitter, or whatever else time wasting nonsense that might exist. But from what I read about those sludge pits, this site sounds downright congenial.

Fantastic massage. Every single time. As has been discussed multiple times in the forum, Eli has some detractors. I won't speak for them or try to analyze their experiences - to each his own - but in my book he is perhaps the best massage therapist in NYC. It can be a bit strong at times so don't be shy in asking him to take it easy if real deep tissue is not your thing. The initial finger caress...OMG.

Maybe you should call a clinic. This is not a medical forum.

I'm confused. You saw him and handed him $300 even though he looks nothing like his photos AND gave a shitty 35 minute massage? This is what you agreed to before meeting? $300 for a massage?!! Or was this some kind of intimidation robbery in the moment? Is this a real post? I don't believe it. There is something odd going on here.

I saw him in NYC maybe two years ago. At the time there was a debate on this site about his photo authenticity. I suppose they may not be "him". But in any case, close enough! From my experience he (whoever he is/was) is hot as fire. The massage was decent. Solid B. And the rest was A++.