Typical

Yeah, this is the same model’s photos that appear on masseurfinder (albeit with more clothing) from time to time. All fake. Fake photos. Fake massage. Real theft. The guy in the pictures may be real, but he isn’t giving massages in NYC!

Service providers need to tell customers how much they want to provide x service in y location on z date. I have no ability to or interest in figuring out input values anymore than I can or wish to determine Whole Foods’ ultimate cost to procure, ship and provide a can of chickpeas. Just say it. Don’t be coy. If the price seems a reasonable value proposition to me, I will hire. If not, we both move on. Now, if said contracted service is enhanced and the value is increased, I will likely pay more (ahem, “tip”); otherwise, I pay the requested amount. This paradigm has worked very well for me over the years. That said, people can do whatever they wish with their money! They can set it on fire or transfer it to a Nigerian prince. If they feel tipping provides them more future value, then they should tip away! It’s not my business or anyone else’s.

He would be a very welcome addition if real and remotely competent.

The punctuation isn’t perfect, but it gets the point across pretty clearly.

Sounds like Eli and Deon may have moved back to South Africa, which was their plan. Wish I could have gotten one more appointment in. 😔

This isn’t a massage appointment: This is perhaps a romance or an infatuation. That’s okay, but be realistic about it. Is it a paid limited affair? Is it a tiny little bit of a “sugar daddy” scenario? What you describe is not a massage appointment. This is a different thing. That’s not what we are talking about here.

Precisely. Many times these enhanced encounters are because the masseur has some unique attraction to the client and feels comfortable with that person. That won’t necessary transfer to others. It probably won’t transfer to very many others. I have someone I see on a semi-regular basis that goes beyond expectations (for no additional fee, fyi) and has been for several years. Every now and then he says “I trust you”. That means, don’t tell anyone - this is a private matter. I respect that. We all should.

Exactly. There is an old and applicable saying: Don’t kiss and tell. Nothing good can come of it. Nothing. Nothing at all. It’s the surest way to end the kissing.

If you are explicitly paying for an “erotic” massage, then the normal “extras” are part of the fee.

I saw Nick once, and even though his location is a bit out of the way for me, if he offered a more “sensual” option I would be there every day. It’s a nice massage and to me he’s sexy AF and super nice. (He did do some poetry recitals doing the massage which might startle some, but which I found endearing.)

But some tell us we must leave big tips regardless, or we are mean. Haha

This has become a boring, rabbit hole of a topic. If I go to a “masseur” and he provides a massage, as advertised - no more and no less, I pay him the fee he requested for that service. These days, that tends to be about $180- $200. If I have any desire to upgrade to an essentially escort service and the “masseur” wants to provide that additional service outside the scope of a massage, then I would expect to pay (ahem “tip”) him more. We are essentially saying the same thing but you want to label your escort fee as a “tip” for some reason.

This is less of a “tip” and more of an additional payment for enhanced services. This is a different topic. When I go to the dentist for a cleaning and end up getting a tooth pulled as well, the extra fee paid for the pulling isn’t a tip, it’s a fee for additional service.

You are reading a lot into what you think other people “expect” from a massage therapist. A lot. If a therapist wants more than the standard rate (whatever that is: is it the $300 at the Four Seasons spa with a day pass to the facility and high end products and millions of dollars in spa decor, or is it the $40 in the hole on the wall on 10th Avenue?) he should ask for it. If he’s worth it he will have clients, if not he will need to lower his rate or “get a better job”. At the Four Seasons example the therapist is going to get a fraction of that fee and a tip is expected. But that is not the situation we are discussing here. Some dude’s apartment in Hells Kitchen is not the Four Seasons Spa and the dude sets his price and keeps 100%. He should set the price he thinks his service is worth. And if he sets the price too high, he can sit in his non Four Seasons spa apartment without clients all day.

Yes. And your private practice doctor, too. People can do whatever they want with their money. They can set it on fire in the street for all I care, so long as they don’t come looking for a public bailout later in life when the accounts are drained. But there can be a fine line between generosity and foolishness in these matters. I never pay a total of more than $200. Never. Ever. Period. But I don’t expect or generally want to have full sex with a massage therapist either. So if a therapist ask $200 and I agree to see them, they get $200. I do see a couple of guys that still ask $160, and they are good, so I pay $180- $200. These are personal choices and I have never gotten the slightest hint that anyone is dissatisfied in any way and the service provided is at least what I expect and often more. It helps that I see regulars and we get along. I’m not weird to them. I don’t flake on appointments. I am always clean. I don’t say or do strange things. I smile. I say thank you. I’m not late for appointments. I’m….easy. That all is valuable to them and makes a difference to people on a schedule who too often deal with problem clients. If I see someone 2-3 times a month, and they know nothing odd is going to happen while I’m there and that I will be on time and nice and clean, they seem very pleased to see me as much as possible, tip or no tip. Consistency, conviviality and regularity make valuable clients. Win/win.

What is “Tim’s event”?

Maybe you need a chiropractor or physical therapist; however, as far as masseurs, I think Pasha or Johnsport, are the best bets.

Sometimes grown people just do what they want without it being “on the books”. It may lead to big tips. It may lead to repeat visits with clients service providers like. It may lead to both. Or it may just lead to mutual one off (or more!) fun. These are all adults doing what they want to do. No worries. Let’s not commercialize every aspect of every private behavior. People go “above and beyond” in their jobs for all kinds of reasons, not necessarily for more cash. Mutual satisfaction can come in a variety of ways.

We all have our own preferences - makes the world go around. I think this look is hot as fuck. I would not do it to myself, but it’s super sexy for an hour or two! Now to the point: Is he real?

Those photos were very dated 15 years ago. Avoid.

So to be clear: “Manhattanhotboy” in the initial post is also known as “Oliver” when he works at something called 27Spa. We like “Oliver” (aka Manhattanhotboy), and the photos of Manhattanhotboy (aka Oliver when at 27Spa) are accurate, but we don’t like the place called 27Spa because it’s “dingy”. So in sum, go see “Manhattanhotboy” because he is cute in a “white bro” sort of way (just like the photos for the “Manhattanhotboy” suggest) at his private location or see him at your home or hotel, and because he is a nice guy and gives a B+ (or is it a B-) massage. Correct?

I’ve seen John 3-4 times and I don’t recall him using a theragun on me. If he has it’s been an inconsequential amount of time. In any case, he is very good with a great setup at his place. He is on the higher end of going rates, but it is still an acceptable value proposition from my perspective. A/A+ skills.

Don’t give money to or accept candy from strangers.

When you say not worth it do you mean you have seen him and the experience isn’t worth it or was that just a general statement? He seems to have time now as his availability notice is on a lot. But I’m not filling out forms or going through hoopla for a massage appointment!

I had a very similar experience. I tried to reschedule after HE canceled for some emergency. When I reached back out, he said something like “well now you want an appointment, I thought you lost interest”. He had canceled on me! Anyway, maybe these guys get a lot of annoying messages, but a way to avoid so many inquires and messages that lead to nothing: Publish your rates. This should not be a guessing game! And tell us where you are located because that can make all the difference in whether I wish or have time to come see you. Provide customers with basic information in your ad and get fewer pointless inquiries. It’s a win-win for everyone and it’s basic common sense. What am I missing that makes this more complicated than necessary?