Typical

This has become a boring, rabbit hole of a topic. If I go to a “masseur” and he provides a massage, as advertised - no more and no less, I pay him the fee he requested for that service. These days, that tends to be about $180- $200. If I have any desire to upgrade to an essentially escort service and the “masseur” wants to provide that additional service outside the scope of a massage, then I would expect to pay (ahem “tip”) him more. We are essentially saying the same thing but you want to label your escort fee as a “tip” for some reason.

This is less of a “tip” and more of an additional payment for enhanced services. This is a different topic. When I go to the dentist for a cleaning and end up getting a tooth pulled as well, the extra fee paid for the pulling isn’t a tip, it’s a fee for additional service.

You are reading a lot into what you think other people “expect” from a massage therapist. A lot. If a therapist wants more than the standard rate (whatever that is: is it the $300 at the Four Seasons spa with a day pass to the facility and high end products and millions of dollars in spa decor, or is it the $40 in the hole on the wall on 10th Avenue?) he should ask for it. If he’s worth it he will have clients, if not he will need to lower his rate or “get a better job”. At the Four Seasons example the therapist is going to get a fraction of that fee and a tip is expected. But that is not the situation we are discussing here. Some dude’s apartment in Hells Kitchen is not the Four Seasons Spa and the dude sets his price and keeps 100%. He should set the price he thinks his service is worth. And if he sets the price too high, he can sit in his non Four Seasons spa apartment without clients all day.

Yes. And your private practice doctor, too. People can do whatever they want with their money. They can set it on fire in the street for all I care, so long as they don’t come looking for a public bailout later in life when the accounts are drained. But there can be a fine line between generosity and foolishness in these matters. I never pay a total of more than $200. Never. Ever. Period. But I don’t expect or generally want to have full sex with a massage therapist either. So if a therapist ask $200 and I agree to see them, they get $200. I do see a couple of guys that still ask $160, and they are good, so I pay $180- $200. These are personal choices and I have never gotten the slightest hint that anyone is dissatisfied in any way and the service provided is at least what I expect and often more. It helps that I see regulars and we get along. I’m not weird to them. I don’t flake on appointments. I am always clean. I don’t say or do strange things. I smile. I say thank you. I’m not late for appointments. I’m….easy. That all is valuable to them and makes a difference to people on a schedule who too often deal with problem clients. If I see someone 2-3 times a month, and they know nothing odd is going to happen while I’m there and that I will be on time and nice and clean, they seem very pleased to see me as much as possible, tip or no tip. Consistency, conviviality and regularity make valuable clients. Win/win.

What is “Tim’s event”?

Maybe you need a chiropractor or physical therapist; however, as far as masseurs, I think Pasha or Johnsport, are the best bets.

Sometimes grown people just do what they want without it being “on the books”. It may lead to big tips. It may lead to repeat visits with clients service providers like. It may lead to both. Or it may just lead to mutual one off (or more!) fun. These are all adults doing what they want to do. No worries. Let’s not commercialize every aspect of every private behavior. People go “above and beyond” in their jobs for all kinds of reasons, not necessarily for more cash. Mutual satisfaction can come in a variety of ways.

We all have our own preferences - makes the world go around. I think this look is hot as fuck. I would not do it to myself, but it’s super sexy for an hour or two! Now to the point: Is he real?

Those photos were very dated 15 years ago. Avoid.

So to be clear: “Manhattanhotboy” in the initial post is also known as “Oliver” when he works at something called 27Spa. We like “Oliver” (aka Manhattanhotboy), and the photos of Manhattanhotboy (aka Oliver when at 27Spa) are accurate, but we don’t like the place called 27Spa because it’s “dingy”. So in sum, go see “Manhattanhotboy” because he is cute in a “white bro” sort of way (just like the photos for the “Manhattanhotboy” suggest) at his private location or see him at your home or hotel, and because he is a nice guy and gives a B+ (or is it a B-) massage. Correct?

I’ve seen John 3-4 times and I don’t recall him using a theragun on me. If he has it’s been an inconsequential amount of time. In any case, he is very good with a great setup at his place. He is on the higher end of going rates, but it is still an acceptable value proposition from my perspective. A/A+ skills.

Don’t give money to or accept candy from strangers.

When you say not worth it do you mean you have seen him and the experience isn’t worth it or was that just a general statement? He seems to have time now as his availability notice is on a lot. But I’m not filling out forms or going through hoopla for a massage appointment!

I had a very similar experience. I tried to reschedule after HE canceled for some emergency. When I reached back out, he said something like “well now you want an appointment, I thought you lost interest”. He had canceled on me! Anyway, maybe these guys get a lot of annoying messages, but a way to avoid so many inquires and messages that lead to nothing: Publish your rates. This should not be a guessing game! And tell us where you are located because that can make all the difference in whether I wish or have time to come see you. Provide customers with basic information in your ad and get fewer pointless inquiries. It’s a win-win for everyone and it’s basic common sense. What am I missing that makes this more complicated than necessary?

Again, MF allows advertisers to turn off their ads when they are not available. He will turn it back on when he resumes appointments. Makes perfect sense to me from both sides. I don’t know why every advertiser doesn’t utilize this very practical function. Perhaps they want to remain visible even though they are not working for future business generation.

Ha. Saw this guy probably more than 15 years ago using the same photos. All I remember is the encounter was weird. Very weird.

He changes his link regularly. He uses the same photos. Needless to say the photos are NOT of the guy you will meet in any way shape or form.

Well, “Milo” or “Ale” is back at it tonight scamming away! You are just lucky not to have been robbed. Not only is everything about his ad fake, including all photos (the photos having no relationship to the trickster), he is a thief. How MF allows this to continue after many warnings is beyond me.

Probably half of the massage guys in this town are “actors” of varying degrees of thespian success. Or at least they consider themselves as such. Anyway, I wonder if the person who shows up for an appointment resembles these headshot photos. Or if this is a “send a deposit” or some other scam. I’m suspicious. 🤨

And the lesson being NEVER send a deposit. Never, ever. That is a scam 100% of the time. And, as I learned again recently the hard way, if the guy who opens the door isn’t the same as the photos, RUN. He’s about to rob you. Go with known quantities. And if it seems too good to be true, IT IS. Repeat after me: No deposits. Ever. Always a scam. Always.

Jason has the touch, so to speak. He may not be a trained therapist, but he has natural intuition and ability. He puts in real effort. No shorting on time. No upsells (at least in my experience). Sexy AF. Super nice. Effective. He likes doing the job! Woof!

I generally agree with this assessment. I saw him a couple of times a few years ago when his rates were more down to earth. Maybe 200 British Pounds. He’s a nice guy. His massage is strong and above average. His body is (was) phenomenal. It was fun. Lots of fun. (No real sex, though) That all said, I wouldn’t pay his current rates for anyone. Now, if money is, as they say, no object, then sure! But if you are questioning the expense then probably shouldn’t do it. It’s not life changing, LOL. Don’t over spend for the experience if money IS an object.

I guess I’ll say it one more time, then my work here is done. This person in the photos does not exist, at least not as a masseur in NYC. The ad is fake. You will never meet the person in the photos because he does not exist. If you answer the ad you will meet someone else not even remotely like the photos and he will attempt to rob you. If being robbed while getting a 20 minute “massage” from someone who looks nothing like the photos in the ad to which you respond is a fantasy, go for it! The reason why this ad comes and goes and the phone number change daily is because the advertiser doesn’t want to be caught by the law.

It sad that Masseurfinder willingly allows itself to be used by obvious scams. This ad is fake. The photos are fake. The phone number changes daily. These are clear red flags. The activity behind the ad is criminal. Someone could get hurt. I have no idea how to contact the website operators. But when ads go up and down and phone numbers change frequently, the site is on constructive notice that something is wrong.

He’s relentless and determined! I’m closing my thoughts out on this fellow now by suggesting googling all phone numbers of unknown service providers before hand. Never let your wallet out of sight. And when the photos are fake, run (can’t believe I didn’t). Be very wary of the unknowns. It’s apparently way too easy to establish scam accounts on Masseurfinder. It can be dangerous.